Producers: Would You Sell Your Publishing...

[Aje]

Beats don't get cats paid... songs do... & even then shows like that aren't paying out for music that's not on Billboard because too many people are willing to submit their music for free just to have a chance to get it heard on a National Network...

"Jar Of Hearts" premiered on "So You Think You Can Dance" waaaaaaay before Atlantic jumped on the song. She didn't make a dime off of it being on the show but it being on the show allowed her to promote it & it went on to sell over 3 Million copies after Atlantic signed her & used their "Machine" to push it...

It's a lot of smoke & mirrors in the Music Business & cats forget at the end of the day it's BUSINESS...

You know how many "beatmakers" that were hot just a few years ago are lying to people about how much they get paid per track just to keep up their image? These dudes are broke because all they do is make beats when the real money is in the songwriting or producing the actual record...

And rap beatmakers are the worse because they lie & say they sell beats for XX,XXX amount of money & cats don't realize that person only has FREE PLACEMENTS on FREE MIXTAPES... which there is no money in...

That's why cats like Mike Will & Kane Beatz go Pop... cuz that's where the real money is... & you go from beatmaker to producer...

She should still get performance royalties for that, no?

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

She should still get performance royalties for that, no?

Nope...

They're doing YOU a favor by even playing your music to their audience of a couple hundred thousand to possibly millions... you don't GET shyt...

I know a filipino cat RIGHT NOW that was promoting all over his Twitter because he had 3 of his beats picked up & played on 2 different episodes of "Love & Hip Hop" last Season & was bragging & everything about how he's out here winning...

Just happened to have a mutual friend who he asked to reference a guitar on one of his beats & this cat was still living at the crib with his moms with no car & his girlfriend paying for his clothes but on Twitter he has cats believing he's getting $$$ in this game... those smoke & mirrors are serious...

My close personal friend had a Hot 100 Top 10 Billboard Single on one of the biggest artists in the game right now but because it contained 2 measly seconds of a sample from the 90's he only got $10,000 publishing from a song that ended up generating UMPG $2.7 MILLION fukkING DOLLARS...

... & the sample didn't even make or break the song... dude could've cashed out at $700,000... a sample cost him $690,000...

shyt is

 

[Aje]

wtf? these books I'm reading must be lying to me then. I know you can only learn so much from a text, but dayum. I was under the impression that (taken from quick google search):
A performance royalty is owed to the songwriter and publisher of a particular song whenever that composition is “broadcast” or performed “in public.”

These instances include:

• plays on terrestrial and satellite radio (Sirius, KEXP, etc.)

• usages on network and cable TV, film, commercials, games, etc.

• plays on internet radio

• plays on online music streaming services (Spotify, Pandora, etc.)

• performances in live venues

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

wtf? these books I'm reading must be lying to me then. I know you can only learn so much from a text, but dayum. I was under the impression that (taken from quick google search):
A performance royalty is owed to the songwriter and publisher of a particular song whenever that composition is “broadcast” or performed “in public.”

These instances include:

• plays on terrestrial and satellite radio (Sirius, KEXP, etc.)

• usages on network and cable TV, film, commercials, games, etc.

• plays on internet radio

• plays on online music streaming services (Spotify, Pandora, etc.)

• performances in live venues

Those books don't deal with real world situations because people out here are so thirsty for a little cash or a little fame or a little chance at a credential that they're willing to do WHATEVER to get their music heard & the sharks in the industry know that...

An artist or producer is Unsigned & can't catch a break & you think if someone approaches them & says they can get their song played on an episode of Real World but there might not be any money involved that they're NOT gonna take that?

Lady Gaga & Brittany Spears had *MILLIONS* of songs streamed through Spotify & barely saw a $2,000 check so what chance does an unknown artist have at seeing any money from even a couple hundred thousand streams?

I remember I had to DP a show for Jim Jones back in the "Ballin" days & this dude was a star in the hood. Cats were coming up to him trying to do anything to get on Dipset. One cat was like "Maaaaaaan you can have all my publishing I just wanna rap!"

When you have people like this around you at all times why would anybody with any business sense pay for something they don't have to? These labels get rich off cats like that all the time. It's always someone desperate to do a free video or a free beat or free studio time or free makeup just to get an OPPORTUNITY...

There's money in the industry but it takes YEARS to maneuver around & figure out how to actually get it. I have more money then 75% of the people involved with Rihanna's last album & I don't have any Billboard Hits so what does that tell you?

 

[Aje]

An artist or producer is Unsigned & can't catch a break & you think if someone approaches them & says they can get their song played on an episode of Real World but there might not be any money involved that they're NOT gonna take that?

My good man, this is EXACTLY the premise of my proposed business plan - except, I WOULD be offering these dudes $1,750 and promised backend royalties (writer's share).

Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear; I have a history of being long winded.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

My good man, this is EXACTLY the premise of my proposed business - except, I WOULD be offering these dudes $1,750 and promised backend royalties (writer's share).

Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear; I have a history of being long winded.

Kane Beatz was notorious for doing this. He would go on Soundclick... offer some dude like $1,000 for 25 beats... for TOTAL OWNERSHIP & remake them to industry standards & shop them around...

It might be dirty but business is business... get ya money breh...

 

[Aje]

Kane Beatz was notorious for doing this. He would go on Soundclick... offer some dude like $1,000 for 25 beats... for TOTAL OWNERSHIP & remake them to industry standards & shop them around...

It might be dirty but business is business... get ya money breh...

well, that's the issue: I don't want to get a bad rep, especially in this industry. I want to be upfront and let these dudes know the deal. I wouldn't be remaking the tracks or nothing - just purchasing their publishing for exploitation (industry term, not the negatively connotation) .

Appreciate the jewels, breh.

 

[Spree At Last]

well i aint even made 50 beats yet, but if i had a 100 beats hell yea i would let em go for 2 grand (cuz my beats aint really even hot like that ). producin is a hobby for me and i'd love to hear people rappin over my beats, plus u'd have to imagine ur next 100 beats would be better than ur first 100 anyway. imo makin a name for urself is much more important than makin a lil more money or whatever, then u can eat good off pop music or whatever. but yea as i said this shyt is just somethin i do for fun so im not even lookin to get paid, some of yall makin 50 gs a year off makin beats i gotta if it aint ducktales cuz that gotta be one of the most enjoyable careers anyone could have.

 

[TEKBEATZ]

Damn this is a good topic aje. Dunno if i can do it even thou i have over 800 beats Most likely i wont see no money since 98% of my beats are samples.

 

[Deafheaven]

Damn this is a good topic aje. Dunno if i can do it even thou i have over 800 beats Most likely i wont see no money since 98% of my beats are samples.

yeah my shyt is allllllll samples. I don't I would give up 100 of my beats for 1750 though. thats literally like two weeks of money I could make working. not worth it for all the effort 100 beats takes.

@nikkaz In Paris

would you suggest giving up sampling altogether if you want to make any revenue on your work? I'm a while away from being ready to seriously shop shyt but my stuff is all samples. Also these nikkas like clams casino, harry fraud, etc...are they caking at all?

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

yeah my shyt is allllllll samples. I don't I would give up 100 of my beats for 1750 though. thats literally like two weeks of money I could make working. not worth it for all the effort 100 beats takes.

@nikkaz In Paris

would you suggest giving up sampling altogether if you want to make any revenue on your work? I'm a while away from being ready to seriously shop shyt but my stuff is all samples. Also these nikkas like clams casino, harry fraud, etc...are they caking at all?

Those dudes aren't really eating like that... neither are cats like The Inkredibles whose bulk placements contain Samples. Justice League was smart enough to orchestrate their own music most of the time so they made a shytload of money when they had their run...

I wouldn't give it up altogether if it's part of your style. Jr Rotem's biggest hits all contained samples or elements of sampling & even though they generated millions & he was only able to take home maybe a $100,000 from each the amount of work & $$$ opportunities he got from having those chart topping singles more then made up for it...

Between 2003 & 2013 Jr Rotem has generated over $30,000,000 with his music & around 75% of all of his Top 40 Hits (where the real money is) contained Samples in some way shape or form...

But I personally know dude is sitting on something close to $15,000,000-$20,000,000...

Pharrell took a huge hit with "Blurred Lines" but in the end because it went #1 it will mean he will get a shytload of work in this next 12 months & his name is hot again after basically having a horrible couple years of filing bankruptcy to selling his Miami condo to not even making Brittany Spears & JT's last albums because of how far "The Neptunes" brand fell... so he disassociated himself from it...

It's nothing wrong with Sampling *IF* the hit you'll take on the Publishing side is worth helping your Brand grow...

 

[producingfire]

The only rule in this business, is that there are no rules.

 

[Deafheaven]

Those dudes aren't really eating like that... neither are cats like The Inkredibles whose bulk placements contain Samples. Justice League was smart enough to orchestrate their own music most of the time so they made a shytload of money when they had their run...

I wouldn't give it up altogether if it's part of your style. Jr Rotem's biggest hits all contained samples or elements of sampling & even though they generated millions & he was only able to take home maybe a $100,000 from each the amount of work & $$$ opportunities he got from having those chart topping singles more then made up for it...

Between 2003 & 2013 Jr Rotem has generated over $30,000,000 with his music & around 75% of all of his Top 40 Hits (where the real money is) contained Samples in some way shape or form...

But I personally know dude is sitting on something close to $15,000,000-$20,000,000...

Pharrell took a huge hit with "Blurred Lines" but in the end because it went #1 it will mean he will get a shytload of work in this next 12 months & his name is hot again after basically having a horrible couple years of filing bankruptcy to selling his Miami condo to not even making Brittany Spears & JT's last albums because of how far "The Neptunes" brand fell... so he disassociated himself from it...

It's nothing wrong with Sampling *IF* the hit you'll take on the Publishing side is worth helping your Brand grow...

what would suggest for a burgeoning producer looking to shop his work? sorry if I'm pestering you but you seem hella knowledgable bout this

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

what would suggest for a burgeoning producer looking to shop his work? sorry if I'm pestering you but you seem hella knowledgable bout this

What city do you live in & what genres would you say are your strongest?

 

[Deafheaven]

What city do you live in & what genres would you say are your strongest?

I live in minneapolis but travel to chicago since I have family there.

I would say I'm pretty good at making epic, sample driven hip hop songs with some trap elements (as far as high hats and snares etc.) I've also started to try to make more wiz khalifa laid back joans as well as some edm/synth pop. I would say the closest comparision as far as style wise for my hip hop shyt is heatmakers, clams, or harry fraud.