Khadafi1982
Pro
I love the Bun-B feature on that Grafh track ft El Camino and Styles P.
Primo ain't been the same since Guru
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Thread lightly? Damn bro!
Just kidding.
You are right. I went off from what I remembered about the interview. I don't know if it was that one but probably.
I remember the creator really caring about his work - and then I think Jay Z lying about the class trip. I was thinking before how Jay Z "lied" to get his way.
But really it was a white lie. It's like he had to do whatever he could to make his vision happen and convince that guy.
My bad homie. Thank you for helping to see more clearly on that situation. I forget details and overthink. All good.
darealvelle
Real Talk
Pro Tools been around since the 90s. Premier probably start using pro tools to track out since the early 00s. Y’all seriously blaming Pro Tools for some of his lukewarm beats? Last time I checked he still using an MPC.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Truth right here.
E-Double got BETTER after the EPMD breakup.
But I've heard people say the same about Primo, in relation to losing Guru and how he hasn't been the same since. He's definitely lost his magic after Guru passed. I think that was actually 14 years ago today. He said he used to make beats everyday, and now he's not really in that zone anymore of cooking up tracks daily. So after 38 years of doing this, and then losing your partner in crime, it's probably not easy for him or as inspiring.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
He's definitely still using the MPC.
Playaz Eyez
Veteran
Bun B has a bunch of very good solos.
Premo’s album with Smoke DZA was top tier.
Premo’s album with Smoke DZA was top tier.
KingsOfKings
𝕄𝕒𝕕𝕝𝕚𝕓 𝕚𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝔾𝕠𝕒𝕥
What album was that?
Doobie Doo
Veteran
Lies, Fl Studio was going to blow regardless of 9th because it was convenient technology.Breh...folks was still trying to get the 808 a cooking and setting up the recording hardware. Hell, the SP1200 was on the radar for a producer, than a DAW in 97.
Lets be real, 9th was the main reason why bedroom producers were eating good off of the DAWs. Before him, it was just boom bap, records, tape reels, and minimal computers putin.
But 9th made it a household name because of Threats.
Otherwise, it would have still been as under the radar as Pro Tools to the average dreamer.
ah, I got you. In that respect, I can see your point
Doobie Doo
Veteran
No it wasn't. I was at NCCU in 99 and my freshman year everyone with a computer in their room had the demo of FL studio even if they didn't make beats. This was before we knew about 9th.
Industry heads who had already spent thousands of dollars and years learning the machines were the ones who pretended not to know cuz it broke the gateway and allowed anyone to make a beat. But my generation was very familiar with FL studio cuz it was free to download and very easy to crack
It ain't the equipment. Alchemist still using a dusty MPC. Jake One still making beats on a beat up ASR-10. A lot of the digital work will be handled by the engineers anyway.
The real reason is he's getting old. Premier is 58. No one stays at a high level that long. People talking about Alchemist being consistent but he's 12 years younger then Primo.
The main reason Al was able to keep going is once the industry placements slowed he went indie and kept sampling. Premier's profile is too big for him to get away with not clearing samples. That's why a lot of his recent work suffers from being too minimalist with no loops just stabs.
Premier and the other greats were always about placements so when rap went to more mainstream sounds they stopped working. They were accustomed to making beats every day and having a waiting list of artists. They got lost after that stopped.
Easy Moe, Rockwilder, Buckwild, Diamond D, etc all just went away. No one's calling for beats so they're not making any. Then when they release something new it's not near their peak. They just haven't been grinding so the rust shows.
Compare that to Pete Rock who is still releasing work that mirrors his peak. There's no loss in quality because Pete always says he makes 25 beats a week. He doesn't have to try and recapture the magic because he never lost it.
Pete would be the better fit musically for Nas in 2024 but there was never a Nas/Pete album being teased and they have personal/business issues. Why Nas waited to give us a Premier album 25 years late is beyond me. It can still work but he has to pay for sample clearances.
The real reason is he's getting old. Premier is 58. No one stays at a high level that long. People talking about Alchemist being consistent but he's 12 years younger then Primo.
The main reason Al was able to keep going is once the industry placements slowed he went indie and kept sampling. Premier's profile is too big for him to get away with not clearing samples. That's why a lot of his recent work suffers from being too minimalist with no loops just stabs.
Premier and the other greats were always about placements so when rap went to more mainstream sounds they stopped working. They were accustomed to making beats every day and having a waiting list of artists. They got lost after that stopped.
Easy Moe, Rockwilder, Buckwild, Diamond D, etc all just went away. No one's calling for beats so they're not making any. Then when they release something new it's not near their peak. They just haven't been grinding so the rust shows.
Compare that to Pete Rock who is still releasing work that mirrors his peak. There's no loss in quality because Pete always says he makes 25 beats a week. He doesn't have to try and recapture the magic because he never lost it.
Pete would be the better fit musically for Nas in 2024 but there was never a Nas/Pete album being teased and they have personal/business issues. Why Nas waited to give us a Premier album 25 years late is beyond me. It can still work but he has to pay for sample clearances.