Prime Larry Bird or Prime Kobe Bryant?

[Poitier]

We're talking about post play aren't we

Post play as in posting up your defender and either scoring with an array of moves or making the right pass out of any double team.

 

[Poitier]

Which half?

McHale
Ewing
Barkley
Malone

Many of other guys were significantly more dominant in post ups but they could only post up on the block or it was inefficient. I've seen Kobe start his post-up as far out as the wing. He also has way better footwork and counter moves than majority of that list.

 

[Goatpoacher]

McHale
Ewing
Barkley
Malone

Many of other guys were significantly more dominant in post ups but they could only post up on the block or it was inefficient. I've seen Kobe start his post-up as far out as the wing. He also has way better footwork and counter moves than majority of that list.

And there goes your credibility. THe post is a defined area on the court. YOu can't post up from the 3 point line. Well you can but that's not considered "Post" play.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

Post play as in posting up your defender and either scoring with an array of moves or making the right pass out of any double team.

Breh you're entitled to your opinion, but the guys I listed are all HOF players who made their mark strictly playing the post.

 

[Poitier]

And there goes your credibility. THe post is a defined area on the court. YOu can't post up from the 3 point line. Well you can but that's not considered "Post" play.

You can most definitely start your initial post up from the wing and get a good shot, gnat. Only a few have the footwork, ballhandlng and shooting to do it.

 

[fact]

The athleticism of today vs yesterday, are you kidding me? These new kids are mutants compared to them old ass nikkas from the grey era.

what next, Achilles vs GSP. I bet some clown would say Achilles too.

LOL, this argument again. Fundamentals, good coaching, and basketball IQ over low basketball IQ, selfish, coach killer, athletic mutants, all day every day. I have respect for Kobe, and think he would have been great in any era, but don't campare the majority of this leagues and 1 kids to the players before 2000

 

[Tommy Knocks]

LOL, this argument again. Fundamentals, good coaching, and basketball IQ over low basketball IQ, selfish, coach killer, athletic mutants, all day every day. I have respect for Kobe, and think he would have been great in any era, but don't campare the majority of this leagues and 1 kids to the players before 2000

Apparently coaches disagree thats why the league is full of them instead of the old types.

 

[JYoung24]

LOL, this argument again. Fundamentals, good coaching, and basketball IQ over low basketball IQ, selfish, coach killer, athletic mutants, all day every day. I have respect for Kobe, and think he would have been great in any era, but don't campare the majority of this leagues and 1 kids to the players before 2000

Kobe has high basketball iq and fundamentals combined with athletchism. And how can u be selfish and win 5 rings

 

[GreatestLaker]

Nothing breh. Stop exaggerating, those are the only times he took 3's? Nah, they ran plays for Bird, you must be kidding me.

Read my post again.

The 3 point shot wasn't utilized back then as it is now. When Bird shot 3's it was usually on a broken play with a few seconds left on the shot clock.

The 3 point shot was introduced to the NBA during Larry Bird's rookie year. It was looked at as the least efficient shot in basketball. Teams only ran plays for 3 point shots when they were down by 3 to tie the game or when they were down by a lot in an attempt to make a comeback. There is a reason why Bird has multiple seasons where he averaged less than 1 3 point shot attempt per game and only averages 1.9 3 point shot attempts for his career. If Bird played in this era his 3 shot attempts per game would be 4-6. You clearly don't know what the fukk you're talking about.

 

[Liquid]

Half of that list doesn't have the passing out of the post to even be in the same conversation. Majority of them can't post up anywhere on the floor like a MJ or Kobe.

Only one I'd give you is MAYBE Barkley

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Read my post again.

The 3 point shot was introduced to the NBA during Larry Bird's rookie year. It was looked at as the least efficient shot in basketball. Teams only ran plays for 3 point shots when they were down by 3 to tie the game or when they were down by a lot in an attempt to make a comeback. There is a reason why Bird has multiple seasons where he averaged less than 1 3 point shot attempt per game and only averages 1.9 3 point shot attempts for his career. If Bird played in this era his 3 shot attempts per game would be 4-6. You clearly don't know what the fukk you're talking about.

I read your post and read my rebuttal again. I said you were exaggerating because those WEREN'T the only times he shot 3's. I never said the 3 was utilized a lot back then, I agree with that.

I don't care about the useless stats you posted, I KNOW for a fact he didn't only take 3's ONLY on broken plays and with time running out. I know what I saw.

Fuk, you talking about "if Bird played in this era". Shut the fukk up with that bullshyt, we're talking about HIS era, don't post dumb shyt to fit your wrong opinion. I never said he SHOT A LOT OF 3's, I said you were wrong about the 3's he shot and why. I know what I saw throughout his career. Picture them not running plays for Bird to get a 3 pointer, he was the best shooter in the league jackass. So get the fukk outta here

 

[Jplaya2023]

Who the hell in this thread has actually ever seen Larry Bird play? I don't understand how anyone who wasn't watching basketball in the mid-80s could even speculate on this.

Since I never saw Bird play, all I can go on is resumes. And even though its close. Kobe's got the better resume. More titles, all-star selections, all-nba, all-defense, higher on the all-time scoring list, more scoring titles, etc. Only thing Bird got on Kobe is a 3-1 advantage in MVPs. Both have 2 Finals MVPs.

On paper Kobe should be higher. But I'm going to give Bird some respect and say that it would be wrong for me to say Kobe's better since I never saw him play.

Larry bird won 3 straight MVPs with his competiiton being Jordan, Magic, Moses, Kareem, Karl Malone, DR J, Zeke, etc.. that should tell you about larry joe bird

 

[Poitier]

Larry bird won 3 straight MVPs with his competiiton being Jordan, Magic, Moses, Kareem, Karl Malone, DR J, Zeke, etc.. that should tell you about larry joe bird

Half of those dudes were in the later part of their primes when Larry played. Like I said, defenses were significantly tougher in Kobe's time and teams played at a slower pace, meaning offensive numbers were harder to come by...

Not to mention an MVP and ROY probably should have went to Magic if not for East coast bias and racism...

 

[Bilz]

The 3 point shot wasn't utilized back then as it is now. When Bird shot 3's it was usually on a broken play with a few seconds left on the shot clock.

Yep, same reason Jordan's was low. If you look at the years they took a fair amount of threes, their percentages were high. When they only averaged one or less per game, their percentages were low because the buzzer and half court shots don't get watered down with good attempts.

 

[Eternal Tecate]

Bird had a waaaaaay better front court than Kobe, smh. He had Hall of Famers in Parrish and McHale, you killed your own argument. ALSO, a bench player in Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell won a Finals MVP over Bird, Kobe won 2 when he was the sole leader and other times Shaq won. Oh, Larry's supporting cast>>>>Kobe's supporting cast. Also, Magic was "helped" more than Kobe, look at his cast, and Lebron in Miami is "helped " more too.

My argument isn't that Kobe had a better front court. It's that his front court was the reason his teams won. While Bird was the reason his teams won.