post a better 2020 ticket than Biden/Beto

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i was gonna tag you but i forgot your sn, you were the one who said this the other day

but at the bolded i agree. its early for those dudes. gillum should do his 6 years in florida and get some accomplishments under his belt. he's young as fukk, there's no reason for dude to run in 2020 at all :yeshrug: same with newsome

If Gillum wins this election, and Trump wins in 2020, Gillum would be probably the front runner in 2024 barring any scandal/major fukkups. He still needs a little polish, but 5-6 years as Governor of the 4th largest state, and the largest swing state, would put him in the driver's seat.
 

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Biden is a Republican op
could be a good thing :yeshrug: plenty of trump fatigued repubs and moderates who will vote for a dem that the right cant label a "socialist" :beli:

meanwhile he loses zero dem votes :patrice: might even be a positive, no?

i mean the bottom line is this is a question of winning in 2020, not who my ideal candidate is. it sure as fukk isnt joe biden :heh:
 

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Sasse / Spitzer

about as probable as anyticket with Beto on it

Who ever is on the ticket is going to need to be a blur of Conservative/Liberal with a specialty in Fiscal Responsibility to get massappeal
 

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Biden seems to me like the type that people recognize and recall from the memes and Obama connection. But if you look at his record, prior campaigns or even his debate performances as a VP candidate...I don't see how anyone could sell him at the top of a winning ticket. Plus the civility stuff isn't winning any time soon. That strategy might play to very old people and "no progressives no matter what" types, but it'll lose the millennial enthusiasm for sure.

I still go Bernie...he actually tapped into something and the Progressive growth since 2016 is honestly shocking to me. His ability to win will get downplayed until we get closer to the elections, but the Republicans kinda handed him an easy pivot to any "he's gonna raise taxes on you" arguments with their tax plan gift wrapping so much money to the top earners (check the enthusiasm polls for the tax cuts). He can play off of that and talk about what the lost revenue COULD have been spent on aka his platform goals.

I think Warren's recent bills have good crossover appeal to bridge Centrists and Progressive Leftists too. But the native american thing has been attached to her heavy and hurts her.

Booker is interesting, I'm in Jersey and KNOW that this dude can campaign heavy. I also know that he's got some red flags but he may be able to break out of the pack off his prison reform and legalization stances which could garner a lot of support from the left.

Harris, I think some missteps in her past will be magnified in a primary with others. Doubly true for Eric Holder and To Big to Fail approach. I think they both make better VP candidates than top billing, especially for a more left leaning candidate like my pick Bernie.

I don't trust Gillebrand, but she does seem to have her finger on the pulse. She pivots on policy and marketing of her ideas faster than most and that's a big advantage going into campaigns. It also means that she's liable to do what's politically expedient first and foremost though, so I don't know how much I trust her to stick to any single path or vision. That said, the postal office banking thing is a pretty smart piece of legislation. She's another one I'd put as a better VP option than top billing.

So Bernie/Harris or Gillebrand is where I'd probably fall.
Warren/Holder could be interesting because I like how they approach speaking and crowd work.
Booker/Gillebrand is my bitter pill but I'll deal with it.

I think those combos all have a good chance to beat Trump, especially if they push their policy prescriptions to the forefront.
 

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Sasse / Spitzer

about as probable as anyticket with Beto on it

Who ever is on the ticket is going to need to be a blur of Conservative/Liberal with a specialty in Fiscal Responsibility to get massappeal
Spitzer would of been good but he likes to get his lil head wet :francis:
 

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Biden is probably the most divisive pick within the Democratic bench. He's going to lose the entire progressive/leftist wave.
if the alternative is trump? :childplease: no the fukk he wouldnt. he was obama's VP, obama would be all over the campaign trail

2020 isnt about converting dems. it's about converting republicans :dead:
 

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Biden is probably the most divisive pick within the Democratic bench. He's going to lose the entire progressive/leftist wave.
I dont see progressives making the same mistake they made with Hilary. Because that's how they got Trump. I believe they will compromise for the greater good and vote for him just to make sure Trump is not reelected.
 

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if the alternative is trump? :childplease: no the fukk he wouldnt. he was obama's VP, obama would be all over the campaign trail

2020 isnt about converting dems. it's about converting republicans :dead:
lol Obama has a lot less credibility within progressive circles than you seem to think, so having his endorsement isn't some kind of golden bullet. 2020 is absolutely about "converting" Dems. Hillary didn't lose because too many conservatives voted for Trump, she lost because too many on the left didn't vote at all. Plus, any Republican who is still contemplating voting for Trump is either a lost cause or will be more persuaded by the progressive message. Turnout is the name of the game, and there are simply more people sympathetic to leftist policies and ideas than there are who will betray their Republican Party affiliation to vote Democrat. There is a lot less to be gained, both practically and morally, by leaning into conservatism to court Max Boot and Erick Erickson than there is to follow the groundswell of energy and enthusiasm that the progressive wave is bringing.

I dont see progressives making the same mistake they made with Hilary. Because that's how they got Trump. I believe they will compromise for the greater good and vote for him just to make sure Trump is not reelected.
This line of thinking is too close to the thinking that Hillary's campaign relied on. Yes, Trump will have had 4 years to show how bad he is, but I'm not confident that's enough to get progressives, who are gaining in power and legitimacy, to forgo their revolution so centrists can regain a foothold. I will admit to personal bias here because I don't want to lose the potential that Trump's election has brought.
 

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lol Obama has a lot less credibility within progressive circles than you seem to think, so having his endorsement isn't some kind of golden bullet. 2020 is absolutely about "converting" Dems. Hillary didn't lose because too many conservatives voted for Trump, she lost because too many on the left didn't vote at all. Plus, any Republican who is still contemplating voting for Trump is either a lost cause or will be more persuaded by the progressive message. Turnout is the name of the game, and there are simply more people sympathetic to leftist policies and ideas than there are who will betray their Republican Party affiliation to vote Democrat. There is a lot less to be gained, both practically and morally, by leaning into conservatism to court Max Boot and Erick Erickson than there is to follow the groundswell of energy and enthusiasm that the progressive wave is bringing.
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i think you're dead wrong :yeshrug: progressives stayed home in 2016, they arent staying home in 2020 when the alternative is trump again and they realized they fukked up letting him in office. this election wont be about converting the far left, it will be about swinging the middle
 

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i think you're dead wrong :yeshrug: progressives stayed home in 2016, they arent staying home in 2020 when the alternative is trump again and they realized they fukked up letting him in office. this election wont be about converting the far left, it will be about swinging the middle
word, we shall see
 
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