Poll: is Texas the south?

[murksiderock]

I wonder how many cities would be in different regions if states didn’t exist.

For example Western New York (Buffalo and Rochester) are midwestern cultured cities.

this midwestern dude on my Facebook was making jokes about the east coast targeting Upstate Ny.

The idiot doesn’t realize Buffalo is only a 3 hour drive away from Cleveland, a 4 hour drive from Detroit, while being a 6-7 hour drive from NYC.

State lines aren't a great indicator of culture anymore, and haven't been for a while. Case in point...

I don't consider Buffalo and Rochester to be Midwestern. They just aren't coastal, when people think East Coast they think of the coastal Northeast. For a fact, both do have more in common with Cleveland than New York City---->but to understand the nuances here you have to take some things into consideration...

•New York City is an anomaly unto itself. There isn't any place quite like it, just like the same can be said of Miami, LA, New Orleans, and a couple other places. The Boroughs are unique for New York State, , they are unique for the Northeast and the East Coast, they are unique for America. Once you get North of Westchester New York State has little in common with New York City...

This would indicate that New York City is the outlier, not the other way around...

•the Midwest is huge and has cultural gradients itself. Cleveland isn't a good example of a typical Midwest city, so if a place is like Cleveland, same thing. You'll hear a fair amount (not majority, but a decent amount) of East Coast style accents in Cleveland. Conversely when I went to KC and Indy I never heard an East Coast accent, and both of those cities look much different than The Land from a physical standpoint...

Buff and Roc are more similar to Cleveland for sure, Buff is a baby Cleveland, and Roc is a baby Buff. They are three versions of the same city, but that's indicative more of an eastern Great Lakes culture (I've heard Cleveland is similar to Detroit, but ive never been)...

•the cultural gradient in NY shifts in CNY/Syracuse area, which has 50/50 culture of WNY (Buff/Roc) and the eastern side of the state (Albany/Capital area). Syracuse has things in common with both sides, but again, all of these places differ strongly from NYC. NYC is the outlier...

•with all of this, there is a New York character that unites both Upstate and The City. They all have the same state laws and go to the same prisons and use essentially the same lingo, same type of ethnic and racial enclaves and relations, though TheCity is more international. So there is a NYC/NYS unifier that can be felt...

Buff and Roc are New Yorkers, there is something about them that doesn't exist in Cleveland, and whatever that thing is, is what they have in common with NYC...

 

[murksiderock]

@Pigeon in the future I don’t think VA will even be considered South anymore like Maryland.

Many southerners feel like they’re already in the east coast when they are there.

The DMV portion of Virginia feels very Northern.

Northern Virginia is essentially the north. It isn't devoid of some southern shyt though, but its southern-ness is subdued. If you're a Virginian or familiar with the area, you could spot some southern characteristics, but at this point, I'd definitely agree it's more northern inclined...

Central Virginia is next. Rich and Charlottesville are already southern-lite. They are more southern than NoVa, but less southern than Tidewater, and have a noticeable degree of "not the South" within them. I still call Central VA the South but this is a big fact, when you're in the inner city areas of Richmond or Charlottesville, it's way more unlike the rest of the South. Richmond is largely just a smaller DC in the same way that Buff is a smaller Cleveland...

That said, DC does have some southern shyt going on there, it isn't completely devoid of southern shyt. But since it is mostly absorbed into Northeast trends, and being Rich is a baby DC, Rich is heading the same way DC and Baltimore went, how the perception on those cities changed from the 60s to now, from being thought of as southern cities to mostly northern cities now...

 

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Never been to Texas before but I’m planning to go to both Houston and Dallas in one trip.

As far as Virginia goes I also notice the AA artist from there have no obvious drawl in their speech.

Chris Brown, Missy Elliot, Pharrell & Trey Songz do not have obvious southern accents. I’m not going to include the clipse because they are from The Bronx originally.

West Virginia feels 1 million times much more southern than VA

Virginia is the heart of the south. Breh, racism there is insane

 

[UberEatsDriver]

State lines aren't a great indicator of culture anymore, and haven't been for a while. Case in point...

I don't consider Buffalo and Rochester to be Midwestern. They just aren't coastal, when people think East Coast they think of the coastal Northeast. For a fact, both do have more in common with Cleveland than New York City---->but to understand the nuances here you have to take some things into consideration...

•New York City is an anomaly unto itself. There isn't any place quite like it, just like the same can be said of Miami, LA, New Orleans, and a couple other places. The Boroughs are unique for New York State, , they are unique for the Northeast and the East Coast, they are unique for America. Once you get North of Westchester New York State has little in common with New York City...

This would indicate that New York City is the outlier, not the other way around...

•the Midwest is huge and has cultural gradients itself. Cleveland isn't a good example of a typical Midwest city, so if a place is like Cleveland, same thing. You'll hear a fair amount (not majority, but a decent amount) of East Coast style accents in Cleveland. Conversely when I went to KC and Indy I never heard an East Coast accent, and both of those cities look much different than The Land from a physical standpoint...

Buff and Roc are more similar to Cleveland for sure, Buff is a baby Cleveland, and Roc is a baby Buff. They are three versions of the same city, but that's indicative more of an eastern Great Lakes culture (I've heard Cleveland is similar to Detroit, but ive never been)...

•the cultural gradient in NY shifts in CNY/Syracuse area, which has 50/50 culture of WNY (Buff/Roc) and the eastern side of the state (Albany/Capital area). Syracuse has things in common with both sides, but again, all of these places differ strongly from NYC. NYC is the outlier...

•with all of this, there is a New York character that unites both Upstate and The City. They all have the same state laws and go to the same prisons and use essentially the same lingo, same type of ethnic and racial enclaves and relations, though TheCity is more international. So there is a NYC/NYS unifier that can be felt...

Buff and Roc are New Yorkers, there is something about them that doesn't exist in Cleveland, and whatever that thing is, is what they have in common with NYC...

I was just looking at The % of black people in Buff and Rochester and saw that the % of blacks has risen a lot from 1990.

You seem to be better at these numbers than me.

But I saw Rochester is now 41% black and Buffalo is 38% black in the 2010 census which was a huge boost from their 1990 numbers. @Cave Savage.

Not going to lie most New Yorkers swear Upstate is just as white as West Virginia.

 

[#1 pick]

Yes my hating ass wife who is from Georgia claims it's not.

I live in Houston, it feels like Atlanta, Charlotte and and Nashville to me.

Dallas felt different. It didn't feel like those other cities. It had more of a different feel.

Nonetheless, all of them are heavily racist

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Virginia is the heart of the south. Breh, racism there is insane

Didn’t really see it in the air there as much as I did when I traveled to West VA.

Also West VA to me had the largest amount of black white interracial relationships that I saw.

But these relationships look more real since most people out there look poor.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Northern Virginia is essentially the north. It isn't devoid of some southern shyt though, but its southern-ness is subdued. If you're a Virginian or familiar with the area, you could spot some southern characteristics, but at this point, I'd definitely agree it's more northern inclined...

Central Virginia is next. Rich and Charlottesville are already southern-lite. They are more southern than NoVa, but less southern than Tidewater, and have a noticeable degree of "not the South" within them. I still call Central VA the South but this is a big fact, when you're in the inner city areas of Richmond or Charlottesville, it's way more unlike the rest of the South. Richmond is largely just a smaller DC in the same way that Buff is a smaller Cleveland...

That said, DC does have some southern shyt going on there, it isn't completely devoid of southern shyt. But since it is mostly absorbed into Northeast trends, and being Rich is a baby DC, Rich is heading the same way DC and Baltimore went, how the perception on those cities changed from the 60s to now, from being thought of as southern cities to mostly northern cities now...

I just find it weird that black folks who are known to carry their drawl don’t seem to have much of it in VA.

 

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Didn’t really see it in the air there as much as I did when I traveled to West VA.

Also West VA to me had the largest amount of black white interracial relationships that I saw.

But these relationships look more real since most people out there look poor.

The deep south and the boonies are two different things. The boonies will always feel like the plantation but the deep south has high end southern values. I definitely feel at least east texas has that as well as most of Virginia outside of NOVA which has it in Manassas.

 

[murksiderock]

It’s wild how that works out considering VA gave birth to the South...literally, culturally, etc.

People question it now IMO because the urban areas, particularly the parts that are associated with DC, skew most people’s perception. I don’t see rural VA ever not being Southern.

Virginia gave birth to southern culture for sure, and because of that, there will always be the South there. There's still the South in NoVa (and DC), just people not from there won't pick up on it, and yes, it is less southern than northern nowadays...

And when Central Virginia is absorbed into the Northeast within the next 3-5 decades, there will always remain some South about it. Because its Virginia, the birthplace of the South and America in general...

But you gotta look at it like this, the US "founded" by white people was exponentially smaller than it is today. If it was "founded" in the same form it is today, over 400 years ago, state lines would be drawn completely different all over the US. 75% of Virginia lives in the NoVa x Central VA x Tidewater crescent, that part of VA would be a different state entirely from the rest of VA, or would be a new state with DC and Maryland where they are more alike to anyway...

Never been to Texas before but I’m planning to go to both Houston and Dallas in one trip.

As far as Virginia goes I also notice the AA artist from there have no obvious drawl in their speech.

Chris Brown, Missy Elliot, Pharrell & Trey Songz do not have obvious southern accents. I’m not going to include the clipse because they are from The Bronx originally.

West Virginia feels 1 million times much more southern than VA

Lmao I can hear southern shyt in all these people voices you named, but I'll agree it isn't a "drawl". And maybe because I'm from the area I'm used to how people in the area talk, so I can pick up the deflections easier...

Clipse are from the Bronx and influenced by they early childhood there but both they parents are southern--->mom is from Norfolk and dad is from Tennessee. Them dudes are an anomaly within they own family lol, and they have a ton of family on mom's side around here...

Trey from The Burg which is southern than a muhfukka, and he southern than a muhfukka to me...

Pharell is probably the least southern sounding dude from the area. But he from Seatack/Atlantis, which isn't overtly southern, but it isn't one of the more un-southern areas in VB...

 

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Northern Virginia is essentially the north. It isn't devoid of some southern shyt though, but its southern-ness is subdued. If you're a Virginian or familiar with the area, you could spot some southern characteristics, but at this point, I'd definitely agree it's more northern inclined...

Central Virginia is next. Rich and Charlottesville are already southern-lite. They are more southern than NoVa, but less southern than Tidewater, and have a noticeable degree of "not the South" within them. I still call Central VA the South but this is a big fact, when you're in the inner city areas of Richmond or Charlottesville, it's way more unlike the rest of the South. Richmond is largely just a smaller DC in the same way that Buff is a smaller Cleveland...

That said, DC does have some southern shyt going on there, it isn't completely devoid of southern shyt. But since it is mostly absorbed into Northeast trends, and being Rich is a baby DC, Rich is heading the same way DC and Baltimore went, how the perception on those cities changed from the 60s to now, from being thought of as southern cities to mostly northern cities now...

I lived in NOVA. A large part could be considered the mid Atlantic which is a different mindset and culture than the South completely but let's not be mistaken. Take your ass to Manassas and it will feel like the the deep south quick! We confuse Fairfax county and Loudoun with all of NOVA when it's not the case. That said, most of NOVA doesn't look, act or behave like the South.

Central Virginia is culturally very Southern. What are you talking about? And obviously the same is true for the Tidewater area as well as Richmond.

DC doesn't feel southern but obviously Black folks who are multiple generation locals tend to be more Southern but they aren't the norm. The norm is it's a liberal ass Mid Atlantic city on avg.

I wouldn't call it North. Mid Atlantic is a different set of ideals and standards. Maryland don't function like New York state or even Pennsylvania

 

[murksiderock]

Virginia is the heart of the south. Breh, racism there is insane

Where in Virginia are you talking about?

It can be open in some places but I can easily start feeling off some places I've felt it worse. I'll start with Buffalo, which is notoriously racist for blacks and is well known for it within New York State, and we can start looping northern cities before heading out West for places worse than VA...

The only place in VA that really has a reputation as racist is Virginia Beach, you have to get put into rural areas to see that shyt otherwise. And it's often the worst kind of racism, it's not the in your face violent type, it's the behind closed doors, in denial type...

I was just looking at The % of black people in Buff and Rochester and saw that the % of blacks has risen a lot from 1990.

You seem to be better at these numbers than me.

But I saw Rochester is now 41% black and Buffalo is 38% black in the 2010 census which was a huge boost from their 1990 numbers. @Cave Savage.

Not going to lie most New Yorkers swear Upstate is just as white as West Virginia.

That's because historically Upstate is white as fukk. Buff/Roc/Cuse/Alb are all at their blackest in modern times, because whites left en masse in the 70s to now. Most of the blacks stayed, and then blacks from elsewhere moved to these cities...

Historically though none of the Upstate cities were all that black, when there were more people in these cities, they were much less black...

 

[murksiderock]

Didn’t really see it in the air there as much as I did when I traveled to West VA.

Also West VA to me had the largest amount of black white interracial relationships that I saw.

But these relationships look more real since most people out there look poor.

Yeah WV is a different thing. I work with a girl from there who only dates black, but honestly interracial dating is normal now. I can't say a particular place does it more, its everywhere. At this point, it's more surprising to go somewhere and not see a significant amount of interracial dating. I been Coast to coast, the shyt is everywhere...

I just find it weird that black folks who are known to carry their drawl don’t seem to have much of it in VA.

Yeah there are a good number of Virginians who don't...

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Virginia gave birth to southern culture for sure, and because of that, there will always be the South there. There's still the South in NoVa (and DC), just people not from there won't pick up on it, and yes, it is less southern than northern nowadays...

And when Central Virginia is absorbed into the Northeast within the next 3-5 decades, there will always remain some South about it. Because its Virginia, the birthplace of the South and America in general...

But you gotta look at it like this, the US "founded" by white people was exponentially smaller than it is today. If it was "founded" in the same form it is today, over 400 years ago, state lines would be drawn completely different all over the US. 75% of Virginia lives in the NoVa x Central VA x Tidewater crescent, that part of VA would be a different state entirely from the rest of VA, or would be a new state with DC and Maryland where they are more alike to anyway...



Lmao I can hear southern shyt in all these people voices you named, but I'll agree it isn't a "drawl". And maybe because I'm from the area I'm used to how people in the area talk, so I can pick up the deflections easier...

Clipse are from the Bronx and influenced by they early childhood there but both they parents are southern--->mom is from Norfolk and dad is from Tennessee. Them dudes are an anomaly within they own family lol, and they have a ton of family on mom's side around here...

Trey from The Burg which is southern than a muhfukka, and he southern than a muhfukka to me...

Pharell is probably the least southern sounding dude from the area. But he from Seatack/Atlantis, which isn't overtly southern, but it isn't one of the more un-southern areas in VB...

I’m not one of those New Yorkers that think someone sound southern because their accent is different or have a twang.

When I hear Pharrell, Missy Elliot, Pharell and Chris Brown speak I do hear an accent but their accent is nothing close to what people would consider a “southern accent”.

There are black people in Chicago, Ohio and Missouri that have a deeper drawl than these people I mentioned.

 

[#1 pick]

Where in Virginia are you talking about?

Drive your Black ass through Loudoun or Fairfax like it's PG or MoCo and see if your black ass don't get a ticket. I been to the court system in Fairfax, racist af!

 

[#1 pick]

I’m not one of those New Yorkers that think someone sound southern because their accent is different or have a twang.

When I hear Pharrell, Missy Elliot, Pharell and Chris Brown speak I do hear an accent but their accent is nothing close to what people would consider a “southern accent”.

There are black people in Chicago, Ohio and Missouri that have a deeper drawl than these people I mentioned.

To be frank, those artists don't sound like the locals. I lived in Bowie as well. DC and PG nikkas got a specific drawl that Wale, Logic and Goldlink don't have. But if you live here, you know that's a PG nikka or a DC nikka.

Michael Vick, A.I. and Plaxico all got a Tidewater accent that Pharrell, Teddy Riley and Missy don't have. Same for Chicago and Common, Lupe. They don't sound like Chief Keef and them which is way more common if I actually went to that side of town

Sports stars tend to have the lingo more than the artist who have always been different.