Poll: is Texas the south?

[Biscayne]

Nah, man. In short. Louisiana la la or creole folk music is from Louisiana.

Zydeco is the result of the melding between la la, down home tx blues, and urban peacock record style R&B. Of which you'd mostly only find in houston.

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/32580551/

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/32669504/

Good documentary on the subject.
Texas Zydeco

Given the history of the great migration, do you have family in California? The Louisiana-Texas-Califirnia family bond is very strong.

 

[Supper]

A treasure chest of info. Thanks breh!



I don't know where to start.

I got more. Hol up.

 

[Supper]

A treasure chest of info. Thanks breh!



I don't know where to start.

Photobucket has started bluring images in it's archive, but you can kinda still see what it's about.

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/33503986/

Still. Here's an even better one.

Full article.
Few People Know About Frenchtown, When Cajun’s Spoken and the Kids Are ‘Texas’


Gives you an insight to the community as well as some of the activity going on with some of the lighter skin members. Talks about cultural preservation "becoming Texan" via assimilation into the non creole AA texan community.

Chevalier’s grocery, 3014 Brewster, which is a kind of social center for Frenchtown, is a clean, well-stocked store run by Armand and Mary Rose Chevalier. Ask Armand whether he thinks the Louisiana traditions are dying out in Frenchtown, and he answers with dignity.

“I don’t know. My wife and I are old, you see. But we are Breaux Bridge people. We have Creole blood. We stay in the store and mind our own business. If the Lafayette and Opelousas people want to live like the Texas Negroes, that’s their business.” Mary Rose says she’s scarcely been any farther away from home than the store in five years. “But there’s a gumbo supper Sunday night,” she says. “Maybe I’ll go.

3 of my grandparents are all from the Opelousas area, so this kinda gives me an insight into my own family history. Seems that those from Lafayette and Opelousas where quicker to embrace becoming part of black texan community than those from Breaux Bridge. I suspect he views the Lafayette and Opelousas folks as darker on average as well, though it isn't explicitly stated.

My paternal grandpa was a dark skin "TX negro" bapist from Robertson County, home of the largest black rodeo, and my paternal momo was a lighter skinned die hard catholic woman from the Opelousas area. My maternal momo and papa were just regular brown skin creole folk from St Laundry parish.

Very interesting indeed.

 

[Supper]

Are you creole?

I don't identity as such. But, yeah that is part of my heritage as it is for the entire SETX AADOS community.

I'm an African-American. Regionally I identify as a Houstonian, Texan, or SETXn. No need for the extras.

Calling yourself creole is more of a female thing to do. And most of the males who do usually be kinda on the side.

It's H-tyne aados for me.

 

[Supper]

Given the history of the great migration, do you have family in California? The Louisiana-Texas-Califirnia family bond is very strong.

Hell yah. On all four lines of my grandparent's family there's ppl out there or from there.

Mostly in SoCal, but a few in NorCal too.

For us it basically went LA > Golden Triangle > Houston > CA.

Use to hate going to Beaumont and Louisiana as a kid(I was ignorant). Use to love visiting Cali though.

My cali cousins prolly saw coming to H-tyne the same way, tho.

 

[Biscayne]

Photobucket has started bluring images in it's archive, but you can kinda still see what it's about.

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/33503986/

Still. Here's an even better one.

Full article.
Few People Know About Frenchtown, When Cajun’s Spoken and the Kids Are ‘Texas’


Gives you an insight to the community as well as some of the activity going on with some of the lighter skin members. Talks about cultural preservation "becoming Texan" via assimilation into the non creole AA texan community.



3 of my grandparents are all from the Opelousas area, so this kinda gives me an insight into my own family history. Seems that those from Lafayette and Opelousas where quicker to embrace becoming part of black texan community than those from Breaux Bridge. I suspect he views the Lafayette and Opelousas folks as darker on average as well, though it isn't explicitly stated.

My paternal grandpa was a dark skin "TX negro" bapist from Robertson County, home of the largest black rodeo, and my maternal momo was a lighter skinned die hard catholic woman from the Opelousas area. My maternal momo and papa were just regular brown skin creole folk from St Laundry parish.

Very interesting indeed.

Breaux seems like a very common surname in Southern Louisiana. But you're right. In so many words, ol' Armand Chavalier pretty much implicated the Opelousas ppl were pretty much "darker-skinned" Creoles.

 

[Biscayne]

I don't identity as such. But, yeah that is part of my heritage as it is for the entire SETX AADOS community.

I'm an African-American. Regionally I identify as a Houstonian, Texan, or SETXn. No need for the extras.

Calling yourself creole is more of a female thing to do. And most of the males who do usually be kinda on the side.

It's H-tyne aados for me.

Makes sense. Creole women be

 

[Biscayne]

Hell yah. On all four lines of my grandparent's family there's ppl out there or from there.

Mostly in SoCal, but a few in NorCal too.

For us it basically went LA > Golden Triangle > Houston > CA.

Use to hate going to Beaumont and Louisiana as a kid(I was ignorant). Use to love visiting Cali though.

My cali cousins prolly saw coming to H-tyne the same way, tho.

The lineage kept heading further and further West. Lol, Beaumont, Port Arthur, Lafayette all probably seemed country to you. And Los Angeles was the Big City. Did the family in CA maintain any connection to the creole culture or Texas culture?

I know Nipseys mom is Creole. I knew it, as soon as I saw an interview of his grandma(his mom's mom) and she mentioned how she was a Catholic woman. That's when I knew they were from Louisiana. New Orleans specifically I believe. Their surname is Boutte.

Nipsey’s maternal grandfather is Joseph Leo Boutte, Jr. (the son of Leo Paul Boutté and Myrtle Emily Moret). Nipsey’s great-grandfather Leo was the son of Leo Boutté and Pearl Simmons. Myrtle was the daughter of Walter Henry Moret and Edna Lucille Bercy.

Nipsey’s maternal grandmother is Margaret Mary Green (the daughter of John Wesley Green and Augustine E. Williams). John was the son of Richmond C. Green and Martha Young. Augustine was the daughter of Adolph T. Williams and Selena B. Parrish.

 

[Supper]

The lineage kept heading further and further West. Lol, Beaumont, Port Arthur, Lafayette all probably seemed country to you. And Los Angeles was the Big City. Did the family in CA maintain any connection to the creole culture or Texas culture?

I know Nipseys mom is Creole. I knew it, as soon as I saw an interview of his grandma(his mom's mom) and she mentioned how she was a Catholic woman. That's when I knew they were from Louisiana. New Orleans specifically I believe. Their surname is Boutte.

Nipsey’s maternal grandfather is Joseph Leo Boutte, Jr. (the son of Leo Paul Boutté and Myrtle Emily Moret). Nipsey’s great-grandfather Leo was the son of Leo Boutté and Pearl Simmons. Myrtle was the daughter of Walter Henry Moret and Edna Lucille Bercy.

Nipsey’s maternal grandmother is Margaret Mary Green (the daughter of John Wesley Green and Augustine E. Williams). John was the son of Richmond C. Green and Martha Young. Augustine was the daughter of Adolph T. Williams and Selena B. Parrish.

This got me thinking about all of these AADOS from different regions interacted with each other in places like LA, San Diego, Sacremento, and the Bay as well.

I bet they "became californians" a lot quicker due to the economic, demographic, and geographic forces as play. My cousins from Cali tbh just seem like regular west coast black folks. Some more hood and some not. They did enjoy bbq tho.

 

[Biscayne]

This got me think about all of these AADOS from different regions interacted with each other in places like LA, San Diego, Sacremento, and the Bay as well.

I bet they "became californians" a lot quicker due to the economic, demographic, and geographic forces as play. My cousins from Cali tbh just seem like regular west coast black folks. Some more hood and some not. They did enjoy bbq tho.

Diffirent regional interaction, as opposed to somewhere like Chi, where most ADOS are from the Mississippi Delta? Or as opposed to somewhere like NYC where majority of ADOS are from the Southeast?

 

[Supper]

AA cowboy heritage in the Houston area.

Oldest black owned cattle ranch in Texas.
Taylor-Stevenson Ranch - Wikipedia

Freedmen's settlement founded by black cowboys who road the chisholm trail.
Texas City: 1867 Settlement Historic District

Oldest black trail ride association in Texas.
Prairie View trail ride group keeps rich tradition alive

@CoryMack You know about any of the black cowboy history in Ft Worth? Seeing as it was actually founded as a trading post for cowboys on the chisholm trail and home to many notorious outlaws like butch cassidy.

 

[Supper]

Diffirent regional interaction, as opposed to somewhere like Chi, where most ADOS are from the Mississippi Delta? Or as opposed to somewhere like NYC where majority of ADOS are from the Southeast?

For instance within the intrasouthern migrations you had specific aados enclaves pop up such as Louisianaians in Houston's Frenchtown or coastal Carolinians and Georgians in Jacksonville's Cosmo community seperate from the general AADOS populations for a while.

But, with migration north this didn't seem to happen(though it was rare in the south as it is). It seems that southern migrants up north were much quicker to assimilate into the black urban northern lifestyle.

I mean why wasn't there a geechee cosmo community formed in Harlem, NY when we know many of that community migrated to NYC?

 

[Biscayne]

For instance within the intrasouthern migrations you had specific aados enclaves pop up such as Louisianaians in Houston's Frenchtown or coastal Carolinians and Georgians in Jacksonville's Cosmo community seperate from the general AADOS populations for a while.

But, with migration north this didn't seem to happen(though it was rare in the south as it is). It seems that southern migrants up north were much quicker to assimilate into the black urban northern lifestyle.

Like why wasn't there a geechee cosmo community formed in Harlem, NY when we know many of that community migrated to NYC?

I see. The South allowed these groups to separate and maintain their culture. Or in some cases, the South forced them into these cultural enclaves? Either way, I figured those groups just didn't have a choice when they migrated North or West. I figure, do to redlining, housing discrimination, etc, black creolrs, geechie, or any other sub groups had no choice but to stick together in Northern and Western cities and embrace big city culture.

 

[Supper]

I see. The South allowed these groups to separate and maintain their culture. Or in some cases, the South forced them into these cultural enclaves? Either way, I figured those groups just didn't have a choice when they migrated North or West. I figure, do to redlining, housing discrimination, etc, black creolrs, geechie, or any other sub groups had no choice but to stick together in Northern and Western cities and embrace big city culture.

There was redlining in the south as well, and these aados subgroups lived adjacent even when seperate to other aados. Frenchtown was most definitely surrounded by and within greater 5th ward which was overwhelmingly general aados.

But, I agree they definitely would've been more out of place in the urban north, while there was still a lot of familiarity in the urban south that allowed their specific regional culture to remain intact for longer in their new environment.

 

[im_sleep]

For instance within the intrasouthern migrations you had specific aados enclaves pop up such as Louisianaians in Houston's Frenchtown or coastal Carolinians and Georgians in Jacksonville's Cosmo community seperate from the general AADOS populations for a while.

But, with migration north this didn't seem to happen(though it was rare in the south as it is). It seems that southern migrants up north were much quicker to assimilate into the black urban northern lifestyle.

Like why wasn't there a geechee cosmo community formed in Harlem, NY when we know many of that community migrated to NYC?

it’s interesting how it all turned out

I’d imagine the Creole migration to Houston was a lot more concentrated than it was out west.

As opposed to out west where you got all of East Texas, all of Louisiana, a good chunk of Arkansas and Mississippi, and throw in a lil Oklahoma and Alabama into the mix. Not a lot of room to make your own enclave. Now add in redlining, racist policing, etc. and the need for that decreases even more.

I think Black folks in general in the northeast had a little more pressure to assimilate to northern urban culture considering everything I mention above combined with there already being a native northern Black population present, so for Gullah/Geechie folks that pressure had to be even heavier, especially for youngsters still seeking an identity and dealing with ridicule, peer pressure, etc.