Poll: is Texas the south?

[Biscayne]

it’s interesting how it all turned out

I’d imagine the Creole migration to Houston was a lot more concentrated than it was out west.

As opposed to out west where you got all of East Texas, all of Louisiana, a good chunk of Arkansas and Mississippi, and throw in a lil Oklahoma and Alabama into the mix. Not a lot of room to make your own enclave. Now add in redlining, racist policing, etc. and the need for that decreases even more.

I think Black folks in general in the northeast had a little more pressure to assimilate to northern urban culture considering everything I mention above combined with there already being a native northern Black population present, so for Gullah/Geechie folks that pressure had to be even heavier, especially for youngsters still seeking an identity and dealing with ridicule, peer pressure, etc.

Yep. The urban/rural divide will put heavy pressure on youngsters, to assimilate..even when you look at the term "Bama". This much is clear.

Also, true about CA. A good chunk of the ADOS in the "Western South" flocked to CA.

 

[Biscayne]

@Supper what regional ADOS culture in Texas was exclusively influenced by ADOS Texans, rather than influenced by Louisiana? It seems like so much of East Texas is connected to Louisiana.

 

[CoryMack]

AA cowboy heritage in the Houston area.

Oldest black owned cattle ranch in Texas.
Taylor-Stevenson Ranch - Wikipedia

Freedmen's settlement founded by black cowboys who road the chisholm trail.
Texas City: 1867 Settlement Historic District

Oldest black trail ride association in Texas.
Prairie View trail ride group keeps rich tradition alive

@CoryMack You know about any of the black cowboy history in Ft Worth? Seeing as it was actually founded as a trading post for cowboys on the chisholm trail and home to many notorious outlaws like butch cassidy.

not really. my old man took us to the Black Rodeo in Dallas when I was younger a couple times but i'm not up on that history.

 

[newworldafro]

Houston is crazy how it's a mix of Tex-Mex and Cajun-Creole and southern white stock.

Unique place.

 

[Biscayne]

Houston is crazy how it's a mix of Tex-Mex and Cajun-Creole and southern white stock.

Unique place.

Location, Location, Location. Crossroads of the Antebellum South/Mexico and the Southwest.

 

[Supper]

it’s interesting how it all turned out

I’d imagine the Creole migration to Houston was a lot more concentrated than it was out west.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure more stereotypical urban and bourgerious ones, particularly New Orleanians went out west and up the MS river to Chicago than came to Houston. Those typically didn't migrate to other southern cities. Wouldn't those be the type to want to separate themselves from other aados?

Houston's Louisiana migration was by and large fueled by poor, rural, (mostly darker)people from the "cajun region".

As opposed to out west where you got all of East Texas, all of Louisiana, a good chunk of Arkansas and Mississippi, and throw in a lil Oklahoma and Alabama into the mix. Not a lot of room to make your own enclave. Now add in redlining, racist policing, etc. and the need for that decreases even more.

I think Black folks in general in the northeast had a little more pressure to assimilate to northern urban culture considering everything I mention above combined with there already being a native northern Black population present, so for Gullah/Geechie folks that pressure had to be even heavier, especially for youngsters still seeking an identity and dealing with ridicule, peer pressure, etc.

shyt I mean even hill country ms black folks are pretty unique in culture as well despite being anglophone protestants. It's interesting that for instance the hill country folks in Chicago or Cali didn't ever form a separate community from other AADOS including the Delta MS black folks. I'd imagine other aados would've found their lifestyle and culture(especially music) kinda odd as well.

And true, you're right about NYC having it's own significant native black population as well which would've added to the pressure to assimilate into the urban black community.

Of course none of these cultures were completely erased by assimilation, as they merged and influenced the northern black urban cultures they assimilated to.

 

[Supper]

Houston is crazy how it's a mix of Tex-Mex and Cajun-Creole and southern white stock.

Unique place.

Don't forget about the influnce from rural East Texas as well. BBQ, soul food, black cowboy culture, the freedmen's settlements, and the blues.

Houston's Mexican population ain't really old gen Tejano/Tex-Mex like it is in San antonio.

Mexicans culture in Houston is a relatively recent import, though very large in number.

 

[Supper]

@Supper what regional ADOS culture in Texas was exclusively influenced by ADOS Texans, rather than influenced by Louisiana? It seems like so much of East Texas is connected to Louisiana.

Well, it depends on what you mean by "exclusively Texan". The earliest post mexican AADOS Texans communities would've been made up of slaves brought from other southern states. So from the very beginning we were connected to other southern aados.

For instance my paternal grandpa from Robertson County TX himself has domestic slave trade roots from TN and SC.

But, as for the AADOS regions with the least connections to Louisiana. I'd refer back to that map of the Anglo Texan origins. AADOS Texan origins tended to mirror that a lot because white people brought their slaves with them whenever they left other parts of the south to come to Texas. Though of course you had whites from other southern states particularly in the Upper South who just sold their slaves "down the river" to Texas slave owners for which that wouldn't apply. But, Louisianian slave owners typically didn't sell their slaves off to Texans in mass. They brought them with them if they moved to Texas though.

 

[Biscayne]

Well, it depends on what you mean by "exclusively Texan". The earliest post mexican AADOS Texans communities would've been made up of slaves brought from other southern states. So from the very beginning we were connected by to other southern aados.

For instance my paternal grandpa from Robertson County TX himself has domestic slave trade roots from TN and SC.

But, as for the AADOS regions with the least connections to Louisiana. I'd refer back to that map of the Anglo Texan origins. AADOS Texan origins tended to mirror that a lot because white people brought their slaves with them whenever they left other parts of the south to come to Texas. Though of course you had whites from other southern states particularly in the Upper South who just sold their slaves "down the river" to Texas slave owners for which that wouldn't apply. But, Louisianian slave owners typically didn't sell their slaves off to Texans in mass. They brought them with them if they moved to Texas though.

Makes perfect since. It's that very reason why AADOS Texas accents are varied in which Southern states they mirror. North Texas DFW, tend to sound like an amalgamation of Lower Midwest and Upper South/Delta accents. While Houston kinda mirrors a slower drawl. But you don't hear that drawl in Southern Louisiana.

 

[Supper]

Makes perfect since. It's that very reason why AADOS Texas accents are varied in which Southern states they mirror. North Texas DFW, tend to sound like an amalgamation of Lower Midwest and Upper South/Delta accents. While Houston kinda mirrors a slower drawl.

I'd say a distinctly aados rural east tx accent emerged before mass aados migration to both houston and dfw which influnced both cities. Yeah, it was a mix of various southern accents from other states. It was prolly more of a spectrum depending on what part of East TX you were in, but you get the point.

Htyne aados accents are a mix of that and southern lou aados accents.

But you don't hear that drawl in Southern Louisiana.

Nah louisiana drawls ain't anywhere near as drawn out as ours.

But, a lot of the intonation and phonemes are similar here and there. For instance the hea/thea speech for the words "here" and "there" vs hurr/thurr for other parts of the south.

 

[Biscayne]

I'd say a distinctly aados rural east tx accent emerged before mass aados migration to both houston and dfw which influnced both cities. Yeah, it was a mix of various southern accents from other states. It was prolly more of a spectrum depending on what part of East TX you were in, but you get the point.

Htyne aados accents are a mix of that and southern lou aados accents.



Nah louisiana drawls ain't anywhere near as drawn out as ours.

But, a lot of the intonation and phonemes are similar here and there. For instance the hea/thea speech for the words "here" and "there" vs hurr/thurr for other parts of the south.

Yes. The phonemes are tall the difference. Particularly I've heard the hurr thurr in ados from Dallas-Fort Worth. Deep East Texas migration to Houston, is something I didn't account for. Intrastate migration also influences these accents. Good point.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Of course it's the South

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It’s wild how that works out considering VA gave birth to the South...literally, culturally, etc.

People question it now IMO because the urban areas, particularly the parts that are associated with DC, skew most people’s perception. I don’t see rural VA ever not being Southern.

facts, when I see people talking about VA ain't the South, Im like

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Another interesting discussion is why Houston rap style took on a slow smooth melodic bluesy soulful sound, while other southern rap styles like that of Miami, New Orleans, and Atlanta took on a faster rhythmic bass heavy sound.

Both seem to draw from southern musical sensibilities, but emphasize two different aspects of southern music traditions.

Memphis rap imo seems to draw from a mix of the two.

yup the Bluesy sound in Texas has more in Common with Mississippi and Memphis than it does with Floridian Bluesy style

 

[Supper]

Yeah, Houston has a large Nigerian pop. But, that's about the only significant non-ados black pop in Houston.

Though, that is starting to change as the city continues to grow, hence why it's important for AADOS in Houston to assert our heritage and cultural identity and make our ethnic boundaries clear to not repeat the mistakes of allowing it's erasure and appropriation via flattened black identity that happened with the AA communities of the tri state and southern FL

I think adopting that flag you have in your av would be a good start.

Cont.

@Mr. BROADWAY @Southside Swangin Houston's black population is overwhelmingly aados.