Poland not letting African refugees flee from Ukraine.
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xoxodede
Superstar
It's more silly division stuff. Virtually all of them were descended from enslaved Americans, just like nearly all of the Free Blacks who stayed. Just like the Free Blacks who stayed, some were 1/2 Black or even just 1/4 or 1/8 Black, while others were as Black as the blackest man in America. Many of the ones who left for Liberia came from free states and were only free because their state had outlawed slavery, so no, they weren't "slaveowners". Others were very recently freed slaves, and others had been freed earlier or as children. There may have been a tiny % who owned slaves in the past just like there were a tiny % of free Black Americans who stayed who owned slaves, but using them to discredit the entire group is as stupid as when white conservatives use Black slaveowners to discredit Black reparations. In her OP thread on this she tried to create this crazy division where supposedly ADOS is only those Black folk who were released from slavery after 1865 and the ones released earlier don't count somehow.
Her OP source in the original thread literally stated that the people sent there included freed slaves and free blacks, so I don't know where she gets this "They didn't consider themselves Black" claim. Some were light-skinned 1/4 or 1/8 Black and some were as Black as could be.
2nd President of Liberia, born in Maryland. Am I supposed to believe that Americo-Liberians were a bunch of "basically white" slaveowners yet Stephen Benson still won the presidency out of all of them because.....?
5th president of Liberia, born in Ohio
6th president of Liberia, born in South Carolina
11th President of Liberia. First one to be born in Africa, parents were from New Jersey
I could keep going. Am I supposed to seriously believe that these aren't Black men because xoxodede has an obsession with division? Yes there were some prominent Americo-Liberians who were just 1/4 Black or could almost pass for White, just like there were many prominent ADOS in that period (Charles Drew, Mordecai Johnson, Walter Francis White, James Weldon Johnson, Fredi Washington, Homer Plessy, Arnold Bertonneau, John Mercer Langston) who you could say the same thing about.
Bullshyt. How is someone not "ADOS" if they were freed before 1865? Does that mean that all of the ancestors who were freed before 1865 but stayed in the USA don't count as ADOS either?
The type of hair-splitting she's doing is EXACTLY the same sort of hair-splitting the anti-reparations white folk do when they want to claim "Black folk have slaveowner ancestors too!" or "How can your really prove all of your ancestors were really slaves, how do you know some of them weren't free?"
I have an obsession with division? Please stop.
If anything -- I try to be welcoming at all. I'm sorry if it bothers you that I am for reparations specifically for Black Americans/ADOS. If that is the division you speak of. Then get over it.
.If you read history, yes many FPOC who did not see themselves as Black were enslavers. Never have I said BLACK people were enslavers too.
You and your friends like to gaslight. Not I.
And you showed images of the Black presidents of Liberia. Yeah... the presidents below saw themselves as Black. Even though their bios pretty tell you they were not, even if they did.
Did you post?
As for reparations, if you ancestors are on the 1870 Census and you are listed as Negro/Mulatto-- basically follow Sandy Darity rules. There is no-hair splitting. Again-gaslighting.
But, feel how you feel about me. I won't lose any sleep over it. Have a great night!
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people follow opportunity. slack jaws keep asking why. if it ain't computing then you don't have the capacity.
Already a thread about this:
Kenya Schools The Fukkin Planet On Ukraine/Russia Situation & Actual Imperialism - EPIC SPEECH!!!!
The Plug
plug couldnt trust you now u cant trust the plug
People put the actions of a few on the entire group all the time, I mean, they're doing that now to Africans in this very thread. I just think this definition that you stopped being part of X racial/ethnic group because you were born x year doesn't make much sense at all. Nationality sure, but not overall stock.
I SAID BLACK AMERICANSHAVE NEVER CAUSED HARM
TO NON AMERICAN BLACKS
AND nikkaS REALLY WENT
THE LIBERIA ROUTE TO
CREATE SOME SORT OF GOTCHA MOMENT.
THAT TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED
TO KNOW ABOUT THESE AGENTS.
xoxodede
Superstar
These people were successful "free people of color" -- another class at that time which was separate from Black people who were enslaved -- some of them also owned Black slaves. Some of them weren't even Black American - they immigrated to America by choice --and were "free" and wanted in on the Liberia action. They went to Liberia between the 1830's-1850's. Slavery wasn't abolished until 1865.
Although some freed American slaves did settle there, Liberia was actually founded by the American Colonization Society, a group of white Americans—including some slaveholders—that had what certainly can be described as mixed motives. In 1817, in Washington, D.C., the ACS established the new colony (on a tract of land in West Africa purchased from local tribes) in hopes that slaves, once emancipated, would move there. The society preferred this option to the alternative: a growing number of free black Americans demanding rights, jobs, and resources at home.
When the first settlers were relocated to Liberia in 1822, the plan drew immediate criticism on several fronts. Many leaders in the black community publicly attacked it, asking why free blacks should have to emigrate from the country where they, their parents, and even their grandparents were born. Meanwhile, slave owners in the South vigorously denounced the plan as an assault on their slave economy.
Abolitionist resistance to colonization grew steadily. In 1832, as the ACS began to send agents to England to raise funds for what they touted as a benevolent plan, William Lloyd Garrison revved up the opposition with a 236-page book on the evils of colonization and sent abolitionists to England to track down and counter ACS supporters.
But the scheme had some fans. Slave states like Maryland and Virginia were already home to a significant number of free blacks, and whites there—still reeling from Nat Turner's 1831 rebellion, which emancipated slaves had a hand in—formed local colonization societies. Thus encouraged, Maryland legislators passed a law in 1832 that required any slave freed after that date to leave the state and specifically offered passage to a part of Liberia administered by the Maryland State Colonization Society. However, enforcement provisions lacked teeth, and many Marylanders forgot their antipathy to free blacks when they needed extra hands at harvest time. There is no evidence that any freed African-American was forcibly sent to Liberia from Maryland or anywhere else.
Source
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Each year the nation's slave population rose by 50,000, but in 1830, the American Colonization Society persuaded just 259 free blacks to migrate to Liberia, bringing the total number of blacks colonized in Africa to just 1,400. Digital History
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Besides Clay, the attendees included James Monroe, Bushrod Washington
(nephew of George Washington), Daniel Webster, Andrew Jackson and Francis Scott Key, to name just a few of the prominent people involved. The importance of many of these men in the history of Liberia cannot be overstated. In fact, back in grade school, I always thought they included Jehudi Ashmun (who became the first ruler of the new African settlement), Thomas Buchanan and Robert Harper were all black people. I later learned that not only they, but also many of the names of places along the Liberian Coast, had their source in a white America: Maryland, Virginia, Greenville, Georgia, Clay-Ashland, Robert G. Harper City, Thomas Buchanan, an of course the capital of Monrovia, named after American president James Monroe.
Among all the white men who eventually held power in Liberia, Thomas Buchanan, brother of U.S. president James Buchanan, notoriously stand out. He favored the removal of the Negroes "not only from slavery but from the visible American scene...to a faraway place selected as the circumstances of the time should render most proper, and he actually escorted some of those freed men to Liberia, where he later served as governor of Grand Bassa County. In 1847, when Professor Simon Greenleaf of Harvard University finished writing the Liberian constitution, it was Mr.Buchanan who volunteered to return to America so that he might hand-deliver the Constitution back to the colony.
Our submission was economic as well. In 1926, the Liberian government leased 1.3 million acres of land for 99 years at six cents per acre to the Firestone Rubber Company. Later, during World War II, when the cost of raw rubber from Latin America was $2.60 a pound, the U.S. government negotiated the purchase of the entire crop of Liberian raw rubber for 26 cents a pound. In one year, the U.S. government saved 10 to 15 times more than all it's aid-in loans and grants-to the Liberian government from the year of 1847 the colony was founded up to 1945.
Source
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Source: Between Slavery and Freedom: Free People of Color in America From Settlement
Source: America’s Forgotten Caste: Free Blacks in Antebellum Virginia and North Carolina
Source: The History of Black Business in America
To learn more check out:
An African Republic: Black and White Virginians in the Making of Liberia
African-American Business Leaders and Entrepreneurs
Although some freed American slaves did settle there, Liberia was actually founded by the American Colonization Society, a group of white Americans—including some slaveholders—that had what certainly can be described as mixed motives. In 1817, in Washington, D.C., the ACS established the new colony (on a tract of land in West Africa purchased from local tribes) in hopes that slaves, once emancipated, would move there. The society preferred this option to the alternative: a growing number of free black Americans demanding rights, jobs, and resources at home.
When the first settlers were relocated to Liberia in 1822, the plan drew immediate criticism on several fronts. Many leaders in the black community publicly attacked it, asking why free blacks should have to emigrate from the country where they, their parents, and even their grandparents were born. Meanwhile, slave owners in the South vigorously denounced the plan as an assault on their slave economy.
Abolitionist resistance to colonization grew steadily. In 1832, as the ACS began to send agents to England to raise funds for what they touted as a benevolent plan, William Lloyd Garrison revved up the opposition with a 236-page book on the evils of colonization and sent abolitionists to England to track down and counter ACS supporters.
But the scheme had some fans. Slave states like Maryland and Virginia were already home to a significant number of free blacks, and whites there—still reeling from Nat Turner's 1831 rebellion, which emancipated slaves had a hand in—formed local colonization societies. Thus encouraged, Maryland legislators passed a law in 1832 that required any slave freed after that date to leave the state and specifically offered passage to a part of Liberia administered by the Maryland State Colonization Society. However, enforcement provisions lacked teeth, and many Marylanders forgot their antipathy to free blacks when they needed extra hands at harvest time. There is no evidence that any freed African-American was forcibly sent to Liberia from Maryland or anywhere else.
Source
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Each year the nation's slave population rose by 50,000, but in 1830, the American Colonization Society persuaded just 259 free blacks to migrate to Liberia, bringing the total number of blacks colonized in Africa to just 1,400. Digital History
-----
Besides Clay, the attendees included James Monroe, Bushrod Washington
(nephew of George Washington), Daniel Webster, Andrew Jackson and Francis Scott Key, to name just a few of the prominent people involved. The importance of many of these men in the history of Liberia cannot be overstated. In fact, back in grade school, I always thought they included Jehudi Ashmun (who became the first ruler of the new African settlement), Thomas Buchanan and Robert Harper were all black people. I later learned that not only they, but also many of the names of places along the Liberian Coast, had their source in a white America: Maryland, Virginia, Greenville, Georgia, Clay-Ashland, Robert G. Harper City, Thomas Buchanan, an of course the capital of Monrovia, named after American president James Monroe.
Among all the white men who eventually held power in Liberia, Thomas Buchanan, brother of U.S. president James Buchanan, notoriously stand out. He favored the removal of the Negroes "not only from slavery but from the visible American scene...to a faraway place selected as the circumstances of the time should render most proper, and he actually escorted some of those freed men to Liberia, where he later served as governor of Grand Bassa County. In 1847, when Professor Simon Greenleaf of Harvard University finished writing the Liberian constitution, it was Mr.Buchanan who volunteered to return to America so that he might hand-deliver the Constitution back to the colony.
Our submission was economic as well. In 1926, the Liberian government leased 1.3 million acres of land for 99 years at six cents per acre to the Firestone Rubber Company. Later, during World War II, when the cost of raw rubber from Latin America was $2.60 a pound, the U.S. government negotiated the purchase of the entire crop of Liberian raw rubber for 26 cents a pound. In one year, the U.S. government saved 10 to 15 times more than all it's aid-in loans and grants-to the Liberian government from the year of 1847 the colony was founded up to 1945.
Source
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Source: Between Slavery and Freedom: Free People of Color in America From Settlement
Source: America’s Forgotten Caste: Free Blacks in Antebellum Virginia and North Carolina
Source: The History of Black Business in America
To learn more check out:
An African Republic: Black and White Virginians in the Making of Liberia
African-American Business Leaders and Entrepreneurs
xoxodede
Superstar
I understand. Yeah, I don't like that -- nor do I understand the claim of AA ruining Liberia. Thanks for responding.
@OffHalsted
The 100s LochNess
These people were successful "free people of color" -- another class at that time which was separate from Black people who were enslaved -- some of them also owned Black slaves. Some of them weren't even Black American - they immigrated to America by choice --and were "free" and wanted in on the Liberia action. They went to Liberia between the 1830's-1850's. Slavery wasn't abolished until 1865.
Although some freed American slaves did settle there, Liberia was actually founded by the American Colonization Society, a group of white Americans—including some slaveholders—that had what certainly can be described as mixed motives. In 1817, in Washington, D.C., the ACS established the new colony (on a tract of land in West Africa purchased from local tribes) in hopes that slaves, once emancipated, would move there. The society preferred this option to the alternative: a growing number of free black Americans demanding rights, jobs, and resources at home.
When the first settlers were relocated to Liberia in 1822, the plan drew immediate criticism on several fronts. Many leaders in the black community publicly attacked it, asking why free blacks should have to emigrate from the country where they, their parents, and even their grandparents were born. Meanwhile, slave owners in the South vigorously denounced the plan as an assault on their slave economy.
Abolitionist resistance to colonization grew steadily. In 1832, as the ACS began to send agents to England to raise funds for what they touted as a benevolent plan, William Lloyd Garrison revved up the opposition with a 236-page book on the evils of colonization and sent abolitionists to England to track down and counter ACS supporters.
But the scheme had some fans. Slave states like Maryland and Virginia were already home to a significant number of free blacks, and whites there—still reeling from Nat Turner's 1831 rebellion, which emancipated slaves had a hand in—formed local colonization societies. Thus encouraged, Maryland legislators passed a law in 1832 that required any slave freed after that date to leave the state and specifically offered passage to a part of Liberia administered by the Maryland State Colonization Society. However, enforcement provisions lacked teeth, and many Marylanders forgot their antipathy to free blacks when they needed extra hands at harvest time. There is no evidence that any freed African-American was forcibly sent to Liberia from Maryland or anywhere else.
Source
----
Each year the nation's slave population rose by 50,000, but in 1830, the American Colonization Society persuaded just 259 free blacks to migrate to Liberia, bringing the total number of blacks colonized in Africa to just 1,400. Digital History
-----
Besides Clay, the attendees included James Monroe, Bushrod Washington
(nephew of George Washington), Daniel Webster, Andrew Jackson and Francis Scott Key, to name just a few of the prominent people involved. The importance of many of these men in the history of Liberia cannot be overstated. In fact, back in grade school, I always thought they included Jehudi Ashmun (who became the first ruler of the new African settlement), Thomas Buchanan and Robert Harper were all black people. I later learned that not only they, but also many of the names of places along the Liberian Coast, had their source in a white America: Maryland, Virginia, Greenville, Georgia, Clay-Ashland, Robert G. Harper City, Thomas Buchanan, an of course the capital of Monrovia, named after American president James Monroe.
Among all the white men who eventually held power in Liberia, Thomas Buchanan, brother of U.S. president James Buchanan, notoriously stand out. He favored the removal of the Negroes "not only from slavery but from the visible American scene...to a faraway place selected as the circumstances of the time should render most proper, and he actually escorted some of those freed men to Liberia, where he later served as governor of Grand Bassa County. In 1847, when Professor Simon Greenleaf of Harvard University finished writing the Liberian constitution, it was Mr.Buchanan who volunteered to return to America so that he might hand-deliver the Constitution back to the colony.
Our submission was economic as well. In 1926, the Liberian government leased 1.3 million acres of land for 99 years at six cents per acre to the Firestone Rubber Company. Later, during World War II, when the cost of raw rubber from Latin America was $2.60 a pound, the U.S. government negotiated the purchase of the entire crop of Liberian raw rubber for 26 cents a pound. In one year, the U.S. government saved 10 to 15 times more than all it's aid-in loans and grants-to the Liberian government from the year of 1847 the colony was founded up to 1945.
Source
----
Source: Between Slavery and Freedom: Free People of Color in America From Settlement
Source: America’s Forgotten Caste: Free Blacks in Antebellum Virginia and North Carolina
Source: The History of Black Business in America
To learn more check out:
An African Republic: Black and White Virginians in the Making of Liberia
African-American Business Leaders and Entrepreneurs
BLACK AMERICANS
ARENT DIRECT DESCENDANTS
OF ANY OF THOSE LIBERIAN nikkaS
SO IDK WHY GOOFIES THOUGHT
THAT WAS A GOOD REPLY.
THEY TOOK THEIR LINEGE TO LIBERIA.
THATS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
GROUP OF PPL WITH THEIR
OWN HISTORY IN 2022.
THIS IS LIKE PINNING THE
WEST AFRICANS WHO
SOLD OUR ANCESTORS INTO SLAVERY
ONTO US.
ARENT DIRECT DESCENDANTS
OF ANY OF THOSE LIBERIAN nikkaS
SO IDK WHY GOOFIES THOUGHT
THAT WAS A GOOD REPLY.
THEY TOOK THEIR LINEGE TO LIBERIA.
THATS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
GROUP OF PPL WITH THEIR
OWN HISTORY IN 2022.
THIS IS LIKE PINNING THE
WEST AFRICANS WHO
SOLD OUR ANCESTORS INTO SLAVERY
ONTO US.
xoxodede
Superstar
Who said any of this?
This is what I am talking about. Gaslighting to the fullest. BTW, I am impressed by everyone you listed.
But, they all count. But, Americo-Liberians does not equal AA/ADOS. It's two different ethnic groups. And my main point was, you can't place what happened in Liberia on Black America.
xoxodede
Superstar
Gunz&Butta
All Star
I see where you're coming from. It would be silly to say the ancestors of Black Americans messed up Liberia. Afterall, the blacks who went to Liberia were such a minute percent of the total black population in America at that time.
And even then, I would imagine they didn't leave their kids behind while boarding the ships to Liberia. So looking for their descendants in America would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
But I disagree that they were not part of the "Black American" group. Yes, they got their freedom much earlier than most of black people in America. Most of them may have even been born free. But their ancestors were enslaved as well and suffered that voyage to America just like your ancestors did. That's a fact.
Regardless of what you call them - FPOC, Free negroes, Creole, Octoroons, Quadroons, Mulattos, Oreos- they were black Americans.
They may have even viewed themselves as separate as you claim. That's nothing significant, even some uppity modern black americans still hold similar views
, but let's not open that box right now.What's clear to me is that they weren't this separate, almost white group like you're trying to paint them. These so called FPOCs were black enough that whites donated money to relocate their black asses out of the country before they started causing problems
.99% of Africans can not trace their ancestors back to a Royal family or powerful merchant who sold slaves to Europeans. We know the powerful people and families who sold slaves till this day But saying that the people who sold slaves were not Africans like us would be ridiculous.