Playstation getting even more serious about making their franchises multiplat

[winb83]

because Switch and Xbox are consoles, and that would compete with their console, DUH, you're logic is flawed not mine

PC is separate from a console market

Console gamers are not interested in PC, they don't even know what a GPU is, PC gaming has always been a niche market

and most PC gamers don't even play console games they play shyt that don't even require high end GPU

The small percentage of PC gamers who buy high end graphic cards to run AAA games at high settings is a niche market

People want the games on PC because they want to play high budget games at best possible performance in the best graphic fidelity THAT WILL NEVER BE POSSIBLE ON A CONSOLE

Sony has already put most of their exclusive games on PC already, what are you talking about, it's evitable

Final Fantasy Remake Intergade, a PS5 ONLY GAME, came on PC the same year as it did on PS5

you're not making any sense

We knew it was coming on PC when the original launch, it did not effect the sell of the console games or made people not buy PS5

you don't live in reality

Some of the same games you can play on a console you can also play on a PC. You're trying to act like it's a separate thing but realistically if Sony puts all their franchises on PC day 1 it's going to have a negative impact on PlayStation sales and PSN users.

Final Fantasy Remake was a PS4 game. It came to PC over a year later and that wasn't even directly made by a console maker. Your argument is so disingenuous you're hyping up a PS5 port of a PS4 game like it's some sort of separate game release. Same deal with Grand Theft Auto, same Deal with Red Dead Redemption. These games are going to have release windows on consoles because either a deal gets cut for it or in Sony's case they make the game and it's in their best interest to have such a release window.

I guess you'll never understand that Sony's first party titles have value that Sony is unlikely ever interested in eroding by bringing them to any other platform but their own day 1. If you're not going to buy their platform then you can wait. Now if it's a live service microtransaction game that's a different animal because the point of that is to sell microtransactions.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

For what it's worth

PlayStation Games Launching Day One On PC Not Likely, Former Boss Says.

 

[SNG]

For what it's worth

PlayStation Games Launching Day One On PC Not Likely, Former Boss Says.

yet. Once they test the first day and date game they will determine if it’s worth it to go forward.

 

[Master Teacher]

Some of the same games you can play on a console you can also play on a PC. You're trying to act like it's a separate thing but realistically if Sony puts all their franchises on PC day 1 it's going to have a negative impact on PlayStation sales and PSN users.

Final Fantasy Remake was a PS4 game. It came to PC over a year later and that wasn't even directly made by a console maker. Your argument is so disingenuous you're hyping up a PS5 port of a PS4 game like it's some sort of separate game release. Same deal with Grand Theft Auto, same Deal with Red Dead Redemption. These games are going to have release windows on consoles because either a deal gets cut for it or in Sony's case they make the game and it's in their best interest to have such a release window.

I guess you'll never understand that Sony's first party titles have value that Sony is unlikely ever interested in eroding by bringing them to any other platform but their own day 1. If you're not going to buy their platform then you can wait. Now if it's a live service microtransaction game that's a different animal because the point of that is to sell microtransactions.

Final Fantasy Remake was a ps4 game

Final Fantasy Remake Intergrade isn't on PS4, it's only on PS5, it's not the game, it comes with the DLC expansion, and it's ported from the PS5 game not the ps4 game which doesn't even have the same textures and graphic assets

I'm not hyping up anything, pS5 doesn't even any next gen games, what else are they going to port over, all their shyt is on ps4 lmao

Sony just began their PC campaign, and the entire library of exclusives is almost over there

When PS5 actually has next gen games, then come back and have this conversation

The only thing it Sony games on PC negatively effects are the emotions of STANS and it's fukking hilarious

The multiplat games sell more than Sony exclusives anyway on Playstation hardware

all those games run better way better and look better on PC, did it effect playstation sells no, PS5 is the best selling console

TWO SEPARATE MARKETS, stop being stan, real gamers want all the games on PC so they aren't limited by weak ass hardware

 

[winb83]

Final Fantasy Remake was a ps4 game

Final Fantasy Remake Intergrade isn't on PS4, it's only on PS5, it's not the game, it comes with the DLC expansion, and it's ported from the PS5 game not the ps4 game which doesn't even have the same textures and graphic assets

I'm not hyping up anything, pS5 doesn't even any next gen games, what else are they going to port over, all their shyt is on ps4 lmao

Sony just began their PC campaign, and the entire library of exclusives is almost over there

When PS5 actually has next gen games, then come back and have this conversation

The only thing it Sony games on PC negatively effects are the emotions of STANS and it's fukking hilarious

The multiplat games sell more than Sony exclusives anyway on Playstation hardware

all those games run better way better and look better on PC, did it effect playstation sells no, PS5 is the best selling console

TWO SEPARATE MARKETS, stop being stan, real gamers want all the games on PC so they aren't limited by weak ass hardware

Final Fantasy Remake Intergrade is a Port of a PS4 game.

So let me get it straight. Your argument is Sony should take console exclusive games like God of War that sell millions on PlayStation consoles and influence console purchase decisions and put those games on another platform the same day it releases on PlayStation? From there as a person that has a 2080 ti I now have the option to either buy it digital on PlayStation where Sony gets all the revenue or buy it on say Steam where Valve takes a 30% cut or so. And your argument for this is they should do it because it's a different market?

My argument is they should wait a minimum of a year later then port those games to PC. That maximizes them taking advantage of the impatient people who won't wait and have to have it day 1 forcing them to get it on PlayStation vs giving those people another option that nets Sony less money.

There is zero advantage to Sony putting these AAA exclusive single player games on another platform day 1. The PC gamers that refuse to buy a console will wait and get the game whenever they can. Nobody says well Sony didn't release this day 1 so I'm not buying it whenever it comes out now. Your argument is completely irrational from Sony's perspective and that's why it won't happen.

 

[Fatboi1]

Final Fantasy Remake Intergrade is a Port of a PS4 game.

So let me get it straight. Your argument is Sony should take console exclusive games like God of War that sell millions on PlayStation consoles and influence console purchase decisions and put those games on another platform the same day it releases on PlayStation? From there as a person that has a 2080 ti I now have the option to either buy it digital on PlayStation where Sony gets all the revenue or buy it on say Steam where Valve takes a 30% cut or so. And your argument for this is they should do it because it's a different market?

My argument is they should wait a minimum of a year later then port those games to PC. That maximizes them taking advantage of the impatient people who won't wait and have to have it day 1 forcing them to get it on PlayStation vs giving those people another option that nets Sony less money.

There is zero advantage to Sony putting these AAA exclusive single player games on another platform day 1. The PC gamers that refuse to buy a console will wait and get the game whenever they can. Nobody says well Sony didn't release this day 1 so I'm not buying it whenever it comes out now. Your argument is completely irrational from Sony's perspective and that's why it won't happen.

Another thing is he says, "Those games didn't effect playstation sells no, PS5 is the best selling console"

The issue with this point here is that those games released on PC are OLD ports of PS4 games. God of War came out in 2018 on PS4. It coming out in 2022 for PC won't affect PS5 sales because the majority of users who wanted to play it bought a PS4 when it came out and even a PS5 if someone waited for a patch. Same thing with Uncharted 4. A game that launched in 2016 is finally launching in June of 2022. Same with Horizon, a Feb.2017 title. Even the FFVII Remake argument is moot because FFVII Remake Intergrade is ONLY on PS5, the PC version is the original version of FFVII Remake which doesn't have the new features and Tifa DLC.

I think what Sony is doing is gauging how much they can squeeze out of console sales before porting over to PC. Once they feel the legs are starting to shorten on the console, then they announce a PC port.

 

[tripleaamin]

Another thing is he says, "Those games didn't effect playstation sells no, PS5 is the best selling console"

The issue with this point here is that those games released on PC are OLD ports of PS4 games. God of War came out in 2018 on PS4. It coming out in 2022 for PC won't affect PS5 sales because the majority of users who wanted to play it bought a PS4 when it came out and even a PS5 if someone waited for a patch. Same thing with Uncharted 4. A game that launched in 2016 is finally launching in June of 2022. Same with Horizon, a Feb.2017 title. Even the FFVII Remake argument is moot because FFVII Remake Intergrade is ONLY on PS5, the PC version is the original version of FFVII Remake which doesn't have the new features and Tifa DLC.

I think what Sony is doing is gauging how much they can squeeze out of console sales before porting over to PC. Once they feel the legs are starting to shorten on the console, then they announce a PC port.

This whole thread is a mess. But I will add to your last point they are enticing PC owners to get a PS5. For example:

Horizon Zero Dawn:
PS4 - 2017
PC - 2020

forbidden west comes out on PS4 & PS5 in 2022

God of War:
PS4 - 2018
PC - 2022

ragnarok Comes out in 2022 or 2023 on PS4 & PS5.

Along with getting extra sales on a 3+ year old game they want to entice PC owners to get one of their consoles. Essentially oh you loved Horizon Zero Dawn or GOW? Well if you get a PS4 or PS5 you don’t have to wait.

Day 1 releases on PC vs waiting 3 years has no significant benefit to Sony. They rather maximize sales of software on their hardware first like you mentioned.

 

[winb83]

Another thing is he says, "Those games didn't effect playstation sells no, PS5 is the best selling console"

The issue with this point here is that those games released on PC are OLD ports of PS4 games. God of War came out in 2018 on PS4. It coming out in 2022 for PC won't affect PS5 sales because the majority of users who wanted to play it bought a PS4 when it came out and even a PS5 if someone waited for a patch. Same thing with Uncharted 4. A game that launched in 2016 is finally launching in June of 2022. Same with Horizon, a Feb.2017 title. Even the FFVII Remake argument is moot because FFVII Remake Intergrade is ONLY on PS5, the PC version is the original version of FFVII Remake which doesn't have the new features and Tifa DLC.

I think what Sony is doing is gauging how much they can squeeze out of console sales before porting over to PC. Once they feel the legs are starting to shorten on the console, then they announce a PC port.

God of War was being given away for free on PS5 in fact as part of the PS collection. If they can that that came that sold all it was gonna sell on a console and give it new life on a somewhat neutral platform hell yeah they'll do it. They sold millions of copies on PC of what was effectively a dead game in terms of sales. There's an audience that wants those games there. There will be double dippers that want the better performance and buy a second copy and also PC only gamers that won't touch a console that would love to buy those games.

Before those games come day 1 to PC they'll come to the new PS+ service day 1 which Sony is reluctant to do but admits there could be a path to happening. I don't think it will ever be justifiable to have those games on PC day 1. In fact they probably make more money and sell more copies overall delaying it due to double dippers.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Y’all looking at it through stan goggles.

In reality Sony does not make money off selling consoles. Selling a console to a guy that’s only gonna buy a couple exclusives is of no benefit to them over selling that same guy the games on PC.

What they miss out on by not putting the games on PC is being able to charge potentially millions of extra gamers the full $70 for the game, and to get them in on the launch excitement of the game. The overwhelming majority of money is made near the launch of a game. When they wait a year or two to port the game they are giving away the same content for a fraction of the cost to millions of gamers.

I think at this point the only reason sony games aren’t day one on PC is technical. They don’t have the day one to PC pipeline set up for their studios. Once they do, they will become big players in the PC market.

 

[winb83]

Y’all looking at it through stan goggles.

In reality Sony does not make money off selling consoles. Selling a console to a guy that’s only gonna buy a couple exclusives is of no benefit to them over selling that same guy the games on PC.

What they miss out on by not putting the games on PC is being able to charge potentially millions of extra gamers the full $70 for the game, and to get them in on the launch excitement of the game. The overwhelming majority of money is made near the launch of a game. When they wait a year or two to port the game they are giving away the same content for a fraction of the cost to millions of gamers.

I think at this point the only reason sony games aren’t day one on PC is technical. They don’t have the day one to PC pipeline set up for their studios. Once they do, they will become big players in the PC market.

You do not understand what you’re talking about here. PSN related sales account for 65% of Sony’s gaming revenue in the last quarterly report. All of that depends on people buying a PS console. Their entire setup flows through selling you a console.

Sony makes more off a customer that buys a PlayStation console even if they only buy a few games. They give up a 30% or so cut on the stuff they sell on Steam. If you buy a first party title on PSN they give up nothing.

 

[Fatboi1]

Y’all looking at it through stan goggles.

In reality Sony does not make money off selling consoles. Selling a console to a guy that’s only gonna buy a couple exclusives is of no benefit to them over selling that same guy the games on PC.

Doesn't Sony take 30% of a game's profits on PSN(Third parties)? First party games aren't the only things that Sony can get a profit on. They make almost 95% profit on first-party digital purchases whereas if they sell the game on Steam, they have to give Valve a 30% cut. Better to stretch out pure profit on their platform as opposed to dropping on Steam and losing out on profits. It's like imagine you were making a killing selling something locally on Craigslist and getting pure profit and someone tells you to start listing your stuff on Mercari or Ebay where you're getting 12% taken out of your sales. You may only decide to go to Ebay if it starts getting dry for you in your area.

What they miss out on by not putting the games on PC is being able to charge potentially millions of extra gamers the full $70 for the game, and to get them in on the launch excitement of the game. The overwhelming majority of money is made near the launch of a game. When they wait a year or two to port the game they are giving away the same content for a fraction of the cost to millions of gamers.

It's still mostly profit for Sony at the end of the day. Whether they made a huge bulk of money at the first few months of launch, they still have runners that can generate pure profit months/years later. Spider-Man MM is still selling for example.

I think at this point the only reason sony games aren’t day one on PC is technical. They don’t have the day one to PC pipeline set up for their studios. Once they do, they will become big players in the PC market.

Like @winb83 said, live service MP games being on PC day 1 isn't too bad seeing as how they can recuperate a lot from microtransactions.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Doesn't Sony take 30% of a game's profits on PSN(Third parties)? First party games aren't the only things that Sony can get a profit on. They make almost 95% profit on first-party digital purchases whereas if they sell the game on Steam, they have to give Valve a 30% cut. Better to stretch out pure profit on their platform as opposed to dropping on Steam and losing out on profits. It's like imagine you were making a killing selling something locally on Craigslist and getting pure profit and someone tells you to start listing your stuff on Mercari or Ebay where you're getting 12% taken out of your sales. You may only decide to go to Ebay if it starts getting dry for you in your area.

It's still mostly profit for Sony at the end of the day. Whether they made a huge bulk of money at the first few months of launch, they still have runners that can generate pure profit months/years later. Spider-Man MM is still selling for example.

You do not understand what you’re talking about here. PSN related sales account for 65% of Sony’s gaming revenue in the last quarterly report. All of that depends on people buying a PS console. Their entire setup flows through selling you a console.

PC gamers that just buy a playstation for exclusives aren’t the ones spending money on PSN.

Most Sony games are single player

If you have a good PC you aren’t paying for PSN to play shyttier ports of online games.

The people who are spending money on PSN, are not gonna just stop or they would have already as all the they need PSN to play are already games they can play on PC without paying for online service.

Sony makes more off a customer that buys a PlayStation console even if they only buy a few games. They give up a 30% or so cut on the stuff they sell on Steam. If you buy a first party title on PSN they give up nothing.

They give up a cut to physical stores as well.

As of now they are discounting the games and all DLC extras to like $30 on top of the cut steam takes.

This is why i said they will work to get their infrastructure together so they can have their own store/launcher on PC so they can get some direct money at $70 a pop. Instead of the scraps they are currently bringing in from steam.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Like @winb83 said, live service MP games being on PC day 1 isn't too bad seeing as how they can recuperate a lot from microtransactions.

This is backwards as hell. Y’all just said they make their money of PSN subscriptions. These would be the games they would gain subscriptions with, but in your minds it would make more sense to put those on PC where steam would take a cut AND they don’t get the PSN subscription money.

Like i said y’all just thinking in stan terms. You can’t imagine a world where those few Sony staple exclusives are multiplats. Sorry, the writings on the wall at this point.

 

[winb83]

PC gamers that just buy a playstation for exclusives aren’t the ones spending money on PSN.

Most Sony games are single player

If you have a good PC you aren’t paying for PSN to play shyttier ports of online games.

The people who are spending money on PSN, are not gonna just stop or they would have already as all the they need PSN to play are already games they can play on PC without paying for online service.


They give up a cut to physical stores as well.

As of now they are discounting the games and all DLC extras to like $30 on top of the cut steam takes.

This is why i said they will work to get their infrastructure together so they can have their own store/launcher on PC so they can get some direct money at $70 a pop. Instead of the scraps they are currently bringing in from steam.

First of all you're taking the console that accounts for like 30% or less of all PS5 sales and using that as a baseline to say the console is unprofitable. The disc based PS5 which is the overwhelming majority of what Sony is selling is not a loss leader.

Secondly If you buy any first party game on PSN all of that money belongs to Sony. You are a more profitable customer than you buying their games off platform. There is not a scenario where someone buying games off platform is more profitable to Sony than a person buying games on PlayStation. Your argument is completely irrational.

I totally understand where you're coming from though. You are not pro-Sony and your arguments are ones that weaken them as a company because if they put their games off-platform on day 1 it gives some buyers less reason to buy their consoles and overall nets them less money. Again Microsoft considers everything a gateway to Game Pass so they'll sell you a game wherever. Their argument is gonna be "You paid $60 for that last game and I bet you liked it. You could pay us $15 a month and have access to all our games. We don't even care if you buy an Xbox just give us that monthly fee."

Lastly nobody wants a Sony ecosystem on PC. People were good with mostly Steam. They got upset at Microsoft, Epic, Ubisoft, and EA for all having separate launchers and mostly pulling their games off Steam. A Sony storefront on PC isn't going to be greeted with open arms.

The people that want these huge Sony AAA exclusives day 1 know how to get them. It's a system that's clearly working as Sony is the market leader in gaming.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

First of all you're taking the console that accounts for like 30% or less of all PS5 sales and using that as a baseline to say the console is unprofitable. The disc based PS5 which is the overwhelming majority of what Sony is selling is not a loss leader.

Yes it is. They never make much money off a console sale.

Secondly If you buy any first party game on PSN all of that money belongs to Sony. You are a more profitable customer than you buying their games off platform. There is not a scenario where someone buying games off platform is more profitable to Sony than a person buying games on PlayStation. Your argument is completely irrational.

When they wait a year to put the game on steam. They sell it for a lesser price lots of times with DLC included.

Being able to sell the game for $70 up front, maybe even collectors editions or season passes for $100+ to EVERYONE ON PC would more than make up the 30% cut they’d take on the FEW that decide to buy on PC instead of Playstation day one.

Furthermore Sony gives up the same cut or even more for physical games which still makes up the majority of their sales and will inevitably end up back on a used game shelf where sony just loses a sale.

A day one Digital sale on steam is worth way more than a Day 365 steam sale sale and a day one physical sale

I totally understand where you're coming from though. You are not pro-Sony and your arguments are ones that weaken them as a company because if they put their games off-platform on day 1 it gives some buyers less reason to buy their consoles and overall nets them less money. Again Microsoft considers everything a gateway to Game Pass so they'll sell you a game wherever. Their argument is gonna be "You paid $60 for that last game and I bet you liked it. You could pay us $15 a month and have access to all our games. We don't even care if you buy an Xbox just give us that monthly fee."

My argument comes from a space of reality.

Couple years ago y’all said sony would not put ANY of their games on PC.

We see the way the industry is moving. Everyone is embracing PC. Japan is late to the party but they are coming along too.

Ironically it’s your perceived “strength” of sony that got you in denial about where this is going.

Sony is no weaker with a big PC presence. In fact they are a lot stronger, which is why they are moving in that direction.

The only thing weaker with Sony having a PC presence is your stan arguments.

Lastly nobody wants a Sony ecosystem on PC. People were good with mostly Steam. They got upset at Microsoft, Epic, Ubisoft, and EA for all having separate launchers and mostly pulling their games off Steam. A Sony storefront on PC isn't going to be greeted with open arms.

The people that want these huge Sony AAA exclusives day 1 know how to get them. It's a system that's clearly working as Sony is the market leader in gaming.

No storefront is. People begrudgingly use them, and all is well.