Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[JerseyFinest!]

As garbage as the Knicks have been, which we all pretty much expected they would be to start the season (Calderon & Bargs being out didn't help) have yall looked at the standings in the east....All these teams are ass...At least give it till January before all the off-season talk

 

[GetInTheTruck]

So Melo should pull a Steve Nash.....just sit out, collect his money, instead of developing his game even further and learning the triangle?

Melo is who he is at this point in his career, he has plenty of time to adjust to the system and half these players wont be here next year anyway. Who cares about how much money he's collecting, players are going to get paid regardless and that money isn't coming out of our bank accounts.

 

[Cory MBA]

Melo is who he is at this point in his career, he has plenty of time to adjust to the system and half these players wont be here next year anyway. Who cares about how much money he's collecting, players are going to get paid regardless and that money isn't coming out of our bank accounts.

:dahellcos:

I am not one to argue...but I want to understand.

Melo should take a year off or slack this year. Which would mean a whole year without being in basketball shape? And we believe Carmelo 1) cannot learn anything else about basketball, 2) refine his skills, 3) improve his leadership, or 4) act like the true franchise player?

Sit out a year...and your skills won't decline? Carmelo is not worried about his career numbers either?

Sacrifice a year to gamble on next year? When next year, whoever they are aiming to get can get injured in pre-season and be out for the 2015-16 season? What then, should he take that year off too and keep hoping for a savior, other than himself?

Or should he man up and do what big dogs do?

You want Melo to have a Kobe or Andrew Bynum mentality?

I say, go out shooting...keep learning. Go out shooting. At least you have your self-respect and did not waste valuable years of talent. All for some theoretical savior. Save yourself....

 

[Wargames]

As garbage as the Knicks have been, which we all pretty much expected they would be to start the season (Calderon & Bargs being out didn't help) have yall looked at the standings in the east....All these teams are ass...At least give it till January before all the off-season talk

The Knicks next 20 games leading in January:
at Houston
at Dallas
at Oklahoma City
vs. Miami
vs. Brooklyn
vs. Cleveland
at Charlotte
vs. Portland
at New Orleans
at San Antonio
at Boston
vs. Toronto
vs. Dallas
at Chicago
vs. Phoenix
at Toronto
vs. Washington
at Sacramento
at Portland
at L.A. Clippers

honestly the knicks might not have a choice

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[Cory MBA]

Its called perseverance...and it builds mental toughness.

Fight and try even when you lose...without giving up. Thats a fighters spirit.

Look at all of the mentally weak players we have in the league. Dwight Howard, Bargnani, even Lebron handicapped himself by taking the easy route that brought him no satisfaction. Now he's learning the meaning of hard work and I am not sure if he is going to follow-through.

The Sixers, even if their scheme works, will be looked at as a weak, joke of a franchise if they only compete when they have max talent. That franchise threw several years into the bushes. Even if they win, they lose, because no one respects them for what they are doing. I am talking about the organization...not the players.

Nah...I don't wish that on my Knicks.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

:dahellcos:

I am not one to argue...but I want to understand.

Melo should take a year off or slack this year. Which would mean a whole year without being in basketball shape? And we believe Carmelo 1) cannot learn anything else about basketball, 2) refine his skills, 3) improve his leadership, or 4) act like the true franchise player?

Sit out a year...and your skills won't decline? Carmelo is not worried about his career numbers either?

Sacrifice a year to gamble on next year? When next year, whoever they are aiming to get can get injured in pre-season and be out for the 2015-16 season? What then, should he take that year off too and keep hoping for a savior, other than himself?

Or should he man up and do what big dogs do?

You want Melo to have a Kobe or Andrew Bynum mentality?

I say, go out shooting...keep learning. Go out shooting. At least you have your self-respect and did not waste valuable years of talent. All for some theoretical savior. Save yourself....

I never said melo should sit for a year, but the team as a whole should be realistic this season. Melo is still in his prime but it won't be there forever, there's no reason why he should be playing big minutes for long stretches of games with a sore knee or bum shoulder in a struggle just to keep us above .500....because you know that's what it's gonna end up being this year if y'all are serious about fiercely competing for playoff seeding.

"improve leadership skills" sounds like media speak tbh... melo is never going to be kobe or MJ that type of narcissistic personality is rare period. He is still a top tier talent at his position so the focal point should be getting the right pieces around him, thinking ahead, and hopefully landing a future young god in this draft. It's worth the risk, imo. This team rarely has the chance to draft high picks in the first round, I want to see them take full advantage of this opportunity if possible.

 

[Victim of Racism]

How has that worked out for the knicks?

Also, how well did using capspace work out for the Knicks?

Knicks been tanking the past 30yrs how is this year any different

Nope. They won a Finals game without Ewing in '99. NY has the 4th most Finals appearances, 5th most consecutive Finals appearances, and 9th most championships in the history of the league. NY is one of the most successful franchises in NBA history.

 

[Cory MBA]

I never said melo should sit for a year, but the team as a whole should be realistic this season. Melo is still in his prime but it won't be there forever, there's no reason why he should be playing big minutes for long stretches of games with a sore knee or bum shoulder in a struggle just to keep us above .500....because you know that's what it's gonna end up being this year if y'all are serious about fiercely competing for playoff seeding.

"improve leadership skills" sounds like media speak tbh... melo is never going to be kobe or MJ that type of narcissistic personality is rare period. He is still a top tier talent at his position so the focal point should be getting the right pieces around him, thinking ahead, and hopefully landing a future young god in this draft. It's worth the risk, imo. This team rarely has the chance to draft high picks in the first round, I want to see them take full advantage of this opportunity if possible.

Regarding leadership - That is the problem with the Knicks for the last decade. We have no identity. No team anchor to count on. All we keep doing is signing 'Bobby Shmurdas' that look funny after a year or two and move on to the next Hot Gimmick. We move on too soon. There is no longevity.

Melo, if he stays, can talk the loudest and demand buy-in from the squad.

Even if we do land a rookie, Okafur or the other young buck, NEITHER of them will have a voice to lead because they are ROOKIES with lots to learn. This is Melo's team, regardless which rookie we draft.

No rookie is coming to the Knicks and running the troops. That is Melo's job. And the longer he is here, leading through effort (even when times are bad), the more respect he gets from everyone.

Rookies are not saving us. Most of these big rookies get hurt in year 1 anyway.

 

[Liquid]

They won a Finals game without Ewing in '99. NY has the 4th most Finals appearances, 5th most consecutive Finals appearances, and 9th most championships in the history of the league. NY is one of the most successful franchises in NBA history.

Please stop with the play of numbers to hide the fact how pathetic this franchise has been.

The Knicks have TWO championships in their history. That is absolutely pathetic for a franchise held in such high regard. It's been a shytty organization for the last 15 years or so.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Phil isn't down with the tank, but I'm sleep though

 

[Victim of Racism]

Please stop with the play of numbers to hide the fact how pathetic this franchise has been.

The Knicks have TWO championships in their history. That is absolutely pathetic for a franchise held in such high regard. It's been a shytty organization for the last 15 years or so.

You can spin it 'til times get better; doesn't change the fact that only EIGHT other franchises out of THIRTY are any less "pathetic". So, I will repeat: They won a Finals game without Ewing in '99. NY has the 4th most Finals appearances, 5th most consecutive Finals appearances, and 9th most championships in the history of the league. NY is one of the most successful franchises in NBA history.

at NY is "held in high regard". If they were, you wouldn't be so misinformed about their success history.

 

[Liquid]

Phil isn't down with the tank, but I'm sleep though

What does Phil know about basketball?

We need the Dominican at Kentucky right now.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Trill Jax goin' in on somebody:

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

What does Phil know about basketball?

We need the Dominican at Kentucky right now.

Stop trolling