Phil Spencer on Starfield/Indiana Jones exclusivity: “don’t want to rule out a game coming to any other platforms […] currently focused on 4 games”

[winb83]

You HONESTLY think Sony will drop TLOU 3 or Spider-Man 3 on PS Plus day 1? Or any of their big budget AAA games day 1 there?
I called you obtuse because you post as if you have zero context as to why MSFT is doing it.

"Console war" is a real thing, because had MSFT been the one selling like Nintendo Switch or PS5 did this conversation would probably not have existed.

Blockbuster laughed Netflix out of the room when they offered to sell to them for a few billion. They weren't interested in mailing out movies. In Blockbuster's dying days they were mailing movies out just like Netflix and they'd even let you swap them in the store and mail you the next one. It was a service arguably better than Netflix you Blockbuster doesn't exist anymore. Today Netflix doesn't even mail out movies.

Just because you dominate a field doesn't mean that will continue forever.

There is no console war. The SNES outsold the Genesis. What does that mean for anybody today? It's worthless. The entire thing is a meaning discourse where people post inauthentic takes they'll even abandon when the brand they chose changes policy.

If Sony came out and said they could make the math work and their games went day and date both on PC and PS+ most of the same people arguing against both would support it and brag about it being the best service. Just like they went from we believe in generations the PS4 is cut off to Sony being smart for putting PS5 games on PS4 also. Just like people who say subscription services are bad are totally into the revamped PS+ but only because the "free games" aren't new or valuable. These people would rather buy their games but have no problem subbing and downloading those games still available for purchase. It's all a bunch of bullshyt. We've consistently seen reality turn liars out of console warriors.

 

[Fatboi1]

Not reading that bullshyt

 

[winb83]

Jim Ryan "why would anybody want to play those old games?"

PS fanboys "So what Xbox has backwards compatibility it doesn't matter."

Jim Ryan later sells backwards compatibility as the highet tier of their answer to Game Pass and PS fanboys sign up for that tier specifically to get old games that didn't matter until they were made available again.

 

[winb83]

Not reading that bullshyt

I didn't ask you to read it or tell me if you did so I'm not sure why you felt the need to.

 

[Koba St]

Blockbuster laughed Netflix out of the room when they offered to sell to them for a few billion. They weren't interested in mailing out movies. In Blockbuster's dying days they were mailing movies out just like Netflix and they'd even let you swap them in the store and mail you the next one. It was a service arguably better than Netflix you Blockbuster doesn't exist anymore. Today Netflix doesn't even mail out movies.

Just because you dominate a field doesn't mean that will continue forever.

There is no console war. The SNES outsold the Genesis. What does that mean for anybody today? It's worthless. The entire thing is a meaning discourse where people post inauthentic takes they'll even abandon when the brand they chose changes policy.

If Sony came out and said they could make the math work and their games went day and date both on PC and PS+ most of the same people arguing against both would support it and brag about it being the best service. Just like they went from we believe in generations the PS4 is cut off to Sony being smart for putting PS5 games on PS4 also. Just like people who say subscription services are bad are totally into the revamped PS+ but only because the "free games" aren't new or valuable. These people would rather buy their games but have no problem subbing and downloading those games still available for purchase. It's all a bunch of bullshyt. We've consistently seen reality turn liars out of console warriors.

This nikka still talking about Gamepass being the next Netflix

 

[Fatboi1]

This nikka still talking about Gamepass being the next Netflix

Dude low key annoying. Dude doesn't see past his nose.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

This nikka still talking about Gamepass being the next Netflix

Let him live in his delusion while subs are flat lining in gaming and in streaming. he even has a thread in film room saying the same thing

 

[winb83]

This nikka still talking about Gamepass being the next Netflix

Again when Game Pass actually starts getting games the mainstream cares about and not just Forza a bunch of old games and indie games we will see what it's worth.

I'm not saying it will be the next Netflix what I am saying is if you can offer the masses content they want on a subscription service at a acceptable price history has shown they'll take that deal up.

You and your boys dismiss it saying it can't work. I'd argue that you don't want it to work more than anything but they got to 35 million with a mostly garbage service that doesn't have much valuable content. Imagine if they got stuff people wanted.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Again when Game Pass actually starts getting games the mainstream cares about

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

Again when Game Pass actually starts getting games the mainstream cares about and not just Forza a bunch of old games and indie games we will see what it's worth.

I'm not saying it will be the next Netflix what I am saying is if you can offer the masses content they want on a subscription service at a acceptable price history has shown they'll take that deal up.

Here is the problem.

Microsoft is not going to crack that one unless they're willing to lose money on Game Pass forever.

Nothing that Nadella or Stuart has said at any point in the past has indicated that they're willing to forgo money they could make now for the possibility of making money later via Game Pass.

 

[winb83]

Let him live in his delusion while subs are flat lining in gaming and in streaming. he even has a thread in film room saying the same thing

That thread in the film room is about how cable companies and content providers killed cable TV off by jacking up the prices putting it in a death spiral then fled to streaming services only to repeat the same process. Has nothing to do with Game Pass and it's content issues.

 

[winb83]

Here is the problem.

Microsoft is not going to crack that one unless they're willing to lose money on Game Pass forever.

Nothing that Nadella or Stuart has said at any point in the past has indicated that they're willing to forgo money they could make now for the possibility of making money later via Game Pass.

I don't know man. On mobile they give games away for free and end up being more profitable than consoles. They used to sell games on mobile until they figured out it was more profitable to give them away.

It may require outside the box thinking. Problem is everyone here is thinking conventionally. People can't see past this is how the industry is now and I don't ever want it to change.

People here are saying it stalled out therefor it can't work. That doesn't ask the question why it stalled out and can that be rectified. Citing the end results as evidence something can't work is pretty short sighted.

The real question is can a big tech company like Microsoft provide such innovation?

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

That thread in the film room is about how cable companies and content providers killed cable TV off by jacking up the prices putting it in a death spiral then fled to streaming services only to repeat the same process. Has nothing to do with Game Pass and it's content issues.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

I don't know man. On mobile they give games away for free and end up being more profitable than consoles. They used to sell games on mobile until they figured out it was more profitable to give them away.

The mobile audience is a different beast than every other gaming audience. Mobile gamers don't want to pay for a game (see Nintendo flopping badly with Super Mario Run at a 10 USD price), but will gladly pour money into a lootbox special if they get addicted.

This works with some games - EA FC, Madden - but console and PC gaming (especially PC gaming) is a completely different audience with completely different expectations.

You can't make a comparison between these audiences and their expectations. In fact, that explains why Game Pass sales have plateaued on Xbox/PC. Console and PC gamers have different expectations. On console, people complain about EA and T2 monetizing sports games; on mobile, that audience would be fine with it.

 

[winb83]

People said the same thing about Uber. For years it burned cash and the critics said it can't work and will never be profitable. Guess what. Uber reached profitability. They said the same thing about Tesla. I remember pre-2019 Tesla blow up they used to bring Cathy Wood on CNBC and listen to her Tesla predictions just so they could clown her. Hell they said the same thing about Netflix. Company used to straight up burn money with no positive free cash flow.

Just because you think a business model can't work doesn't mean it actually can't. With enough money a business model that looks like a complete failure can be adjusted and stick around long enough to get to the other side as Uber can attest.