Pharrell is no longer a "new black"

[get these nets]

I don't think its par the course, not when you listen to the level of demos that MJ made in terms of making these songs that Q stole from him in terms of credit.
I don't knock Q's accomplishment, I just think his dismissal of modern, good producers, because they don't use orchestration is weak as hell and an appeal to white acceptance of what is "supposed" to be praised. That said Quincy is a long line of successful and influenctial black musicians, so I have respect for him.

Again,par for the course
He is a story that I read on coli last week..and confirmed
L.A. Reid Tells How He Got Caught In Michael & Jermaine Jackson's Beef

MJ sabotaging his older brother.

I know that Q loves everything white, but I don't see his dismissal of modern beat makers as an appeal to whites.Music is his life and craft...he's excelled at it across many genres. You can't expect a man who worked with Ella Fitzgerald to respect dudes who can't READ music or play instruments.

 

[Da King]

He made "happy" for whites
Made "move that dope" for blacks

Fred

 

[David_TheMan]

Again,par for the course
He is a story that I read on coli last week..and confirmed
L.A. Reid Tells How He Got Caught In Michael & Jermaine Jackson's Beef

MJ sabotaging his older brother.

I know that Q loves everything white, but I don't see his dismissal of modern beat makers as an appeal to whites.Music is his life and craft...he's excelled at it across many genres. You can expect a man who worked with Ella Fitzgerald to respect dues who can't READ music or play instruments.

I can expect a man who did that to respect others, because a lot of those jazz cats he grew up loving and admiring couldn't read sheet music themselves and played purely off skill and being self taught because they didn't have the option to go to schools and learn theory, and they made a art form that they eventually got kicked out of for the likes of "proper blacks like Winston Marsailles and Q" and that is a travesty IMHO.

I see the direct legacy of early jazz in modern hip hop production because its literally from the same place people fooling around, learning from each other and getting direct feedback from playing and producing and making people dance.

You can't respect these young cats, you can't respect the older folks he loves, simple as that.
On top of that respect people period, no need for black men to be tearing down each other, especially these older cats, I can't stand that shyt. I don't like a lot of modern day R&B singers and their music, but if I"m on tv I'll never go out my way to shyt on black kids doing something positive with their life and making music people want to listen to.

 

[cartierhoe]

You don't need to know how to read music to make pop music.

Mariah Carey don't know shyt about chords or reading music and she's one of the best technical singers of all time...

Michael Jackson didn't know how to read music...he basically beatboxed all his shyt...

Kanye West don't know how to read music

The Beatles didn't know how to read msusic...


Plenty of the musicians and artists with millions of records sold couldn't tell you anything technical about music...


When it comes to defending your art...you have to be honest...

Michael Jackson was in the same deposition when someone claimed he stole their and that nikka sure knew everything about his song without knowing the technical detail...

Motherfukker started beat boxing and shyt...

MJ Translate -

I never said you needed to know how to read music to make great music, obviously. One of my favorite artists is Jimi Hendrix, and he didn't know how to read a lick....

 

[get these nets]

I can expect a man who did that to respect others, because a lot of those jazz cats he grew up loving and admiring couldn't read sheet music themselves and played purely off skill and being self taught because they didn't have the option to go to schools and learn theory, and they made a art form that they eventually got kicked out of for the likes of "proper blacks like Winston Marsailles and Q" and that is a travesty IMHO.

I see the direct legacy of early jazz in modern hip hop production because its literally from the same place people fooling around, learning from each other and getting direct feedback from playing and producing and making people dance.

You can't respect these young cats, you can't respect the older folks he loves, simple as that.
On top of that respect people period, no need for black men to be tearing down each other, especially these older cats, I can't stand that shyt. I don't like a lot of modern day R&B singers and their music, but if I"m on tv I'll never go out my way to shyt on black kids doing something positive with their life and making music people want to listen to.

Blues and jazz artists who were self taught, as perhaps Q was himself, spent years perfecting the craft of playing instruments. They developed a skill. What skills do modern beat makers have? Pharrel was in court copping pleas because he just jacks records.

Only hip hop production that I halfway liken to jazz.....is the Bomb Squad who produced Public Enemy...and that's with jazz fusion or beebop....throwing rules away and creating something new. With a few exceptions....these dudes are just playing old records.and this is coming from me..a guy who LOVES hip hop.

Jazz dudes playing and improvising was a thing of beauty...like nba all star game....these guys mastered the rules....but threw them out and had fun. NBA All star game is different than the And 1 basketball game though .

 

[Mr swag]

NewBlack wasnt paying the bills

 

[Birdie]

More victim mentalities. This is one of the reasons why people stopped watching these award shows, not just because the music, movies, and tv shows are lackluster, but because Hollywood can't seem to stop forcing their agendas on people.

 

[David_TheMan]

Blues and jazz artists who were self taught, as perhaps Q was himself, spent years perfecting the craft of playing instruments. They developed a skill. What skills do modern beat makers have? Pharrel was in court copping pleas because he just jacks records.

Only hip hop production that I halfway liken to jazz.....is the Bomb Squad who produced Public Enemy...and that's with jazz fusion or beebop....throwing rules away and creating something new. With a few exceptions....these dudes are just playing old records.and this is coming from me..a guy who LOVES hip hop.

Jazz dudes playing and improvising was a thing of beauty...like nba all star game....these guys mastered the rules....but threw them out and had fun. NBA All star game is different than the And 1 basketball game though .

Q was formally trained in music.
Jazz and Blues pioneers weren't they literally played until they got get the sound they wanted and played together and created music.
They developed just like your modern producers developed, no difference just the instrument.
Pharrell doesn't just jack records, while Blurred lines clearly was a copy of Marvin Gaye, he has a long discography of original music and is a very good music producer.

Well I don't really care what you personally like, taste is subjective.

Jazz musicians playing and improvising ignoring structure and going on their own is no different than what you younger talented producers do today, they just use what they have which is production suite software, than a piano or trumpets, saxophones, basses and etc.

Again no need for any hate on Quincy's part, but just to show his ass and boost his white approval "credentials"

 

[Arithmetic]

He got that "wake up call" look on his face. Seen plenty AAs with that face since Trump got in. Some suddenly "get it." "This is where we are now" nah nu breh, we been here. Better late than never to wake up. Pharrell been living hundreds of years and just now noticed

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

Hip hop honors is tonight?

 

[RTF]

I think Quincy Jones is on that bullshyt though, this is the man so proud of working with white people but jealous that lil Mike Jackson with no understanding of music terms created Thriller, that he stole MJ's producer credit.

I'm of the opinion good music is good music, you don't have to fake it, just make it

Real.

In "hip hop" terms - Michael Jackson produced Beat It and Billie Jean, he at least cam up with the genius of the records. Quincy "produced" it up but Mike was the genius.

Reading music, playing music even - is over-rated. Creativity is where I give most of the credit. Musically, I rate Kanye and P so high because they know good sounds, they hear IT.

 

[AlainLocke]

I never said you needed to know how to read music to make great music, obviously. One of my favorite artists is Jimi Hendrix, and he didn't know how to read a lick....

I mean lol I was saying the same thing...that P doesn't need to know how to create dope stuff

 

[get these nets]

Q was formally trained in music.
Jazz and Blues pioneers weren't they literally played until they got get the sound they wanted and played together and created music.
They developed just like your modern producers developed, no difference just the instrument.
Pharrell doesn't just jack records, while Blurred lines clearly was a copy of Marvin Gaye, he has a long discography of original music and is a very good music producer.

Well I don't really care what you personally like, taste is subjective.

Jazz musicians playing and improvising ignoring structure and going on their own is no different than what you younger talented producers do today, they just use what they have which is production suite software, than a piano or trumpets, saxophones, basses and etc.

Again no need for any hate on Quincy's part, but just to show his ass and boost his white approval "credentials"

I acknowledge Q's penchant for white approval seeking but I think his recording career refutes what you're saying about his musical snobbery. Who HASN'T he worked with?, what style of African American originated music hasn't he worked in and given a platform? What style hasn't he mastered? He was THE one to but an anthology of Black music together in his Back o the Block and Juke Joint albums.Sure there are hip hop hits which sample music that HE wrote.

Craft, talent and skills mean something. Good musicians and singers jamming together to create music is NOTHING like a person pushing buttons and using sounds that are already created.
Prime numbers are prime numbers.
People are eating off of hip hop and that's great but it's something totally different now. Rappers don't even have to lyrical skills anymore or flare.
As far as Pharrell's original music...I think those are just songs he hasn't been sued for yet. Maybe he disguised the samples better.

 

[David_TheMan]

I acknowledge Q's penchant for white approval seeking but I think his recording career refutes what you're saying about his musical snobbery. Who HASN'T he worked with?, what style of African American originated music hasn't he worked in and given a platform? What style hasn't he mastered? He was THE one to but an anthology of Black music together in his Back o the Block and Juke Joint albums.Sure there are hip hop hits which sample music that HE wrote.

Craft, talent and skills mean something. Good musicians and singers jamming together to create music is NOTHING like a person pushing buttons and using sounds that are already created.
Prime numbers are prime numbers.
People are eating off of hip hop and that's great but it's something totally different now. Rappers don't even have to lyrical skills anymore or flare.
As far as Pharrell's original music...I think those are just songs he hasn't been sued for yet. Maybe he disguised the samples better.

I never heard real soul music that Quincy made that was good. His whole legacy of pop post 60s is built on MJ's work not really his own. So I would say
As for sampling, that is true, but I would say James Brown is a bigger influence on hip hop if you want to cite sampling than Quincy Jones every dreamed of. On top of that I think James Brown is a superior performer and muscian.
That that said its subjective.
As for jamming, great, its great in the avenues it takes place in, reducing a good modern producer's work to pressing buttons is about as foolish and snobbish as reducing jazz to jungle music that is gutteral and simple, like whites did it before it was taken over by whites.
Like I said before though, he comments dismissing someone like Kanye as nothing because he directed orchestras and composed rubs me the wrong way because by that standarded the people who made the music he grew up on are nothing before him.
That said we'll just have to agree to disagree on Q.
As for Pharrell not being sued yet, thats pretty poor reasoning actually, Pharrell is a excellent ear for music and melody. The only issue I have with him was lying and acting like he knew more than he actually did, instead of owning up and admitting he doesn't know shyt about music and theory, he just makes what he likes to hear.

 

[King Jae]

But he's speaking out...
Doesn't that go against your strategy..
FOH...

...you hip...