Pharrell is no longer a "new black"

[get these nets]

2) Disco was black music, it was grown out of funk Niles Rogers has repeatedly tried to tell people this. There is a reason when they had the burn disco records nights they were just burning records with black faces on them. disco was just a artistic sprout from the root, and from disco you are birthed hiphop. So the critique against disco is a joke then and now, just like critqiues of most black forms of music when they are in their infancy.
3) MJ is a singer, a singer isn't an instrumentalist, he is a singer. MJ did produce classic hits, he produced thriller and bad and dangerous. If MJ isn't a producers because he told session musicians what to player thiin Quincy wasn't a producer because he didn't play every instrument in his orchestration but told session players what to play. Kanye can sample all he wants, he made original music in the end and changed the soundscape of music. thats an accomplishment, whether you choose to recognize it or not.
4) Yes he produced blurred lines and we know of the lawsuit, you can still read and see his works listed. That is his resume, blemishes and all.

Thats nice that you like digging for beats, it is irrelvant to the confersatoin and it doesn't take away from modern producers being producers are legends today.

2.I didn't write that disco wasn't Black music..and this is the second time you've brought up racist tinged criticism of Black music (first with jazz). Neither time have these points been relevant to the discussion. I said that the Black funk/ soul icons like JBs,EWF,Stevie, and P funk probably laughed at disco and were wary of it's rise for various reasons. Primarily because it's stripped the soul out of music. They adapted but sure they were all happy when It indeed turned out to be a fad..and people got tired of it.

I think disco and hip hop were parallel movements... hip hop was birthed out of many influences


3. There's a recent Q interview that addresses this part of your reply
Quincy Jones on the Making of Michael Jackson's 'Bad'

4. You posted the link as though it was proof of original Pharrell songs.

If you're around friends who dj or dig for beats...you can pick up songs lifting music,melodies, choruses instantly....when he hear the new song again...it sounds like karaoke rather than something original...and you can hear exactly how the song was stitched together. Film buffs pulled Tarentino's card years ago for the same thing. Carlos Mencia got chased out of comedy industry after getting exposed for lifting other people's material. It's completely relevant that I've heard enough records to see that modern producers are just jacking for beats...like Ice Cube said.

 

[3rdWorld]

Cant redeem his reputation now..he a grown man and we know what he about..

 

[David_TheMan]

2.I didn't write that disco wasn't Black music..and this is the second time you've brought up racist tinged criticism of Black music (first with jazz). Neither time have these points been relevant to the discussion. I said that the Black funk/ soul icons like JBs,EWF,Stevie, and P funk probably laughed at disco and were wary of it's rise for various reasons. Primarily because it's stripped the soul out of music. They adapted but sure they were all happy when It indeed turned out to be a fad..and people got tired of it.

I think disco and hip hop were parallel movements... hip hop was birthed out of many influences


3. There's a recent Q interview that addresses this part of your reply
Quincy Jones on the Making of Michael Jackson's 'Bad'

4. You posted the link as though it was proof of original Pharrell songs.

If you're around friends who dj or dig for beats...you can pick up songs lifting music,melodies, choruses instantly....when he hear the new song again...it sounds like karaoke rather than something original...and you can hear exactly how the song was stitched together. Film buffs pulled Tarentino's card years ago for the same thing. Carlos Mencia got chased out of comedy industry after getting exposed for lifting other people's material. It's completely relevant that I've heard enough records to see that modern producers are just jacking for beats...like Ice Cube said.

2) You feeling race something isn't racist doesn't mean that I do. Also seeing that our whole discussion was a segway from me saying Q had racist leanings in his insult of Kanye, I would say now you are just being factually incorrect. Hip Hop was birthed directly out of disco and the way to loop disco records, if I beleive I remember correctly. There is a brother on this site that has a almost encyclopedic knowledge of the origins of hip hop and i remember that from a book he posted but can't remember his username.

3) This doesn't address anything I said though, because I know how bad, thriller, and MJ albums were made post off the wall. This also doesn't change the fact that MJ wroted and produced the classic albums he was on mainly, and he did this through beatboxing and using his voice to create the track.

4) I posted a link with Pharrell's work, when you said he had done nothing but copy people. You can listen to the tracks or you can play ignorant its on you.

I really don't care about who you are around, djing, and anything else. It literally means nothing to me. That said the ability to craft a song in either chopping up previous work, or using stored sounds in software is still the creation of a song and its a talent in and of itself. So to try to deny those "beatmakers" and "producers" of rap music or modern music their shine because they don't play traditional instruments is short sighted and ignorant of what it takes to make a good/great song.

That said we are going in circles, I'll give you the last word.

 

[get these nets]

2) You feeling race something isn't racist doesn't mean that I do. Also seeing that our whole discussion was a segway from me saying Q had racist leanings in his insult of Kanye, I would say now you are just being factually incorrect. Hip Hop was birthed directly out of disco and the way to loop disco records, if I beleive I remember correctly. There is a brother on this site that has a almost encyclopedic knowledge of the origins of hip hop and i remember that from a book he posted but can't remember his username.

3) This doesn't address anything I said though, because I know how bad, thriller, and MJ albums were made post off the wall. This also doesn't change the fact that MJ wroted and produced the classic albums he was on mainly, and he did this through beatboxing and using his voice to create the track.

4) I posted a link with Pharrell's work, when you said he had done nothing but copy people. You can listen to the tracks or you can play ignorant its on you.

I really don't care about who you are around, djing, and anything else. It literally means nothing to me. That said the ability to craft a song in either chopping up previous work, or using stored sounds in software is still the creation of a song and its a talent in and of itself. So to try to deny those "beatmakers" and "producers" of rap music or modern music their shine because they don't play traditional instruments is short sighted and ignorant of what it takes to make a good/great song.

That said we are going in circles, I'll give you the last word.

2. Wait..I mention BLACK music icons laughing at and being wary of the disco wave,I list a few reasons why that might have been the case ....you post that there was an anti-Black tinge to what became the mainstream anti-Disco movement ..I note that what you wrote doesn't address the BLACK icons being anti disco....and you just never address that part???

Hip hop runs parallel with disco....and was borne of dj's looping and extending the break beat from popular dance records...also has a distinct West Indian root as Herc,Flash and Bam were all of Caribbean descent , influenced by the Last Poets, call and response African song/church tradition,etc,etc,etc,

I'd match my knowledge of hip hop history against anybody...in real time.


3. Q mentions the legends he's worked with, what HE feels a producer does, working with MJ ,addresses "playing music by ear" and just about everything we discussed here.

4. I called BS on Pharrell's skills as more than a button pusher/ beat biter. You posted a link as though it was evidence of him producing original work. Link was just his discography..including the song he was being sued for copying. Anybody can see that it didn't support your claim.

I brought up the Bomb Squad that made P.E.'s music as an example of producers creatively making sound collages and crafting something completely new using all types of elements. I just don't see the creativity in rap production since then.....with rare exceptions.

 

[tuckgod]

Bahaha man these entertainers are all about image. But what you expect the paying customers are idiots.....

Like Trump said tell these idiots whatever they want to hear....

/thread

 

[Yo Mama]

I never took the new black label to the point of hysteria like other people did.

People change. Besides, at least that means we'll have some dope music post late stage capitalism

I agree with the bolded. He should at least be given the chance to change. He could, hopefully, be genuine.

 

[Yo Mama]

One I got "bushed" you can't make threads or reply to post

It's a painful process cause you can lurk but can't participate

I don't wish that on any poster


Fred

How does someone become "unbushed".

 

[get these nets]

I agree with the bolded. He should at least be given the chance to change. He could, hopefully, be genuine.

????

Pharrell looks young but he's over 40.

You can hear his voice at :20 second mark from the SWV remix of Right Here from either 1992 or 93



Guy is no spring chicken. You give young adults a pass for maybe not having lived long enough to understand things, but this guy was saying foolish stuff in public for years.

He didn't change and he's not geniune. It was just public relations move.

He's just not a very smart guy.

 

[little4209]

Not sure why we're mad about this change...everybody aint built to stand up and NOW he's "standing"..so what?

Yall still buying Mike's and MJ never cared, so?