Oh, it was BAD, this is from the 08-09 season when he was in his prime -
Goddamn he doubled him up on points and had more rebounds and blocks :silvugh:
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Goddamn he doubled him up on points and had more rebounds and blocks :silvugh:
Nah, they needed a guy who could set picks, finish at the rim and grab offensive rebounds. Their system was based on ball movement and spacing. A center who needed consistent touches on the block would have messed up their rhythm.
Dwight destroyed the Cavs in the '09 ECF.
Zo could play the pick and roll/pop, he would have fit into their offense just fine
Dwight destroyed Zydrunas Illgauskas and Ben Wallace who was on 1 leg
He was thoroughly outplayed by Pau in the finals and couldn't score against the Bobcats the next year.
Held him to 45% too
Dwight's entire game was built on power and speed, he had very little post moves, he couldn't overpower Yao and the speed was neutralized by Yao's length. Dude was a roleplayer against the Great Wall and would have looked like that against most of the 90s centers.
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D12 clearly is better
We'll agree to disagree.Zo could play the pick and roll/pop, he would have fit into their offense just fine
Dwight destroyed Zydrunas Illgauskas and Ben Wallace who was on 1 leg
Zo never had any great playoff runs himself. Went 1-4 against the Bulls in the '97 ECF TWICE against the legendary Luc Longley/Bison Dele tandem. Ewing, who could barely move at 36, outplayed him in Game 5 when Zo's #1 seed went down in the first round. Zo was never a guy who was consistently carrying an offense.
Their peak scoring numbers and blocks in the playoffs are about the same and Dwight rebounded at a much higher clip.
If Dwight wasn't so corny/borderline creepy, he would get more respect for his prime. 09-11 Dwight was tremendous defensively and the top pick and roll big man. Hibbert literally copped Howard's style and it almost got the Pacers over the Heat in '13.
Can't speak on Zo, I only saw his washed years.
Can't speak on Zo, I only saw his washed years.
Padron1926
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We'll agree to disagree.
Zo never had any great playoff runs himself. Went 1-4 against the Bulls in the '97 ECF TWICE against the legendary Luc Longley/Bison Dele tandem. Ewing, who could barely move at 36, outplayed him in Game 5 when Zo's #1 seed went down in the first round. Zo was never a guy who was consistently carrying an offense.
Their peak scoring numbers and blocks in the playoffs are about the same and Dwight rebounded at a much higher clip.
Conveniently leaving out Rodman
We'll agree to disagree.
Zo never had any great playoff runs himself. Went 1-4 against the Bulls in the '97 ECF TWICE against the legendary Luc Longley/Bison Dele tandem. Ewing, who could barely move at 36, outplayed him in Game 5 when Zo's #1 seed went down in the first round. Zo was never a guy who was consistently carrying an offense.
Their peak scoring numbers and blocks in the playoffs are about the same and Dwight rebounded at a much higher clip.
9.8ppg vs Theo Ratliff, Tyson Chandler and Nazr Mohammed........Bobcats series. So we really gonna act like Rodman wasn't on the 69-13 Bulls team? Fam, you're naming a HOF center in Ewing and arguably the best team ever in Zo's failures
Meanwhile Dwight has gotten shut down by the Bobcats, laid eggs vs Kendrick Perkins and has look like flat out shyt more often than not when faced against any decent center.
Conveniently leaving out Rodman
9.8ppg vs Theo Ratliff, Tyson Chandler and Nazr Mohammed........Bobcats series. So we really gonna act like Rodman wasn't on the 69-13 Bulls team? Fam, you're naming a HOF center in Ewing and arguably the best team ever in Zo's failures
Meanwhile Dwight has gotten shut down by the Bobcats, laid eggs vs Kendrick Perkins and has look like flat out shyt more often than not when faced against any decent center.
That was not prime Rodman.
Zo was putting up the same numbers Mutombo had the round before.
Ewing was 36 and could barely move at that point in his career. Zo was in his prime and was still getting pretty much played to a draw.
Tyson Chandler won DPOY two years after that series and you're acting like he was some scrub.
You're saying Dwight was awful against Perk, but he averaged 22 against the Celts in '10 after that shytty first round. That's about the best you were getting out of Zo in a series throughout his career.
The bigger point I'm making is that Zo was not some offensive savant. Yes, he had a better overall offensive game than Dwight, but don't talk like he was regularly putting up 30/15 games.
That was not prime Rodman.
Zo was putting up the same numbers Mutombo had the round before.
Ewing was 36 and could barely move at that point in his career. Zo was in his prime and was still getting pretty much played to a draw.
Tyson Chandler won DPOY two years after that series and you're acting like he was some scrub.
You're saying Dwight was awful against Perk, but he averaged 22 against the Celts in '10 after that shytty first round. That's about the best you were getting out of Zo in a series throughout his career.
The bigger point I'm making is that Zo was not some offensive savant. Yes, he had a better overall offensive game than Dwight, but don't talk like he was regularly putting up 30/15 games.
It wasn't prime Rodman yet the Bulls managed to go 72-10, 69-13 and 62-20 with him as their primary interior defender, word?
How you gonna talk about how Ewing wasn't in his prime, or Rodman wasn't in his prime yet the only really good series you point to for Dwight was against the Cavs who didn't have a single big that could guard him because Z and Wallace were washed. You're just throwing a gang of other piss poor performances in the bushes, and you're confusing the series, he averaged 16ppg/17rpg vs the Celtics the year they went to the finals, Perkins averaged 10/12 against him
Damn near played him to a draw and the Magic almost lost that series even though they didn't have KG mainly because the Celtics weren't doubling him and despite all the touches he could only muster 16ppg vs Perkins.Zo was better offensively than Dwight, period. He didn't need a small ball team constructed around him to get his offense off, he could score for himself without someone needing to run a pick for him all the time. Was he Hakeem? Nope, but he was damn sure better than Dwight, especially when you consider he had to score against bigs while also defending quality bigs.
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C'mon, the league was watered down and they had the GOAT.It wasn't prime Rodman yet the Bulls managed to go 72-10, 69-13 and 62-20 with him as their primary interior defender, word?
How you gonna talk about how Ewing wasn't in his prime, or Rodman wasn't in his prime yet the only really good series you point to for Dwight was against the Cavs who didn't have a single big that could guard him because Z and Wallace were washed. You're just throwing a gang of other piss poor performances in the bushes, and you're confusing the series, he averaged 16ppg/17rpg vs the Celtics the year they went to the finals, Perkins averaged 10/12 against him
Zo was better offensively than Dwight, period. He didn't need a small ball team constructed around him to get his offense off, he could score for himself without someone needing to run a pick for him all the time. Was he Hakeem? Nope, but he was damn sure better than Dwight, especially when you consider he had to score against bigs while also defending quality bigs.
How many big series did Zo have in his career? One or two? No different than Dwight. Zo wasn't playing a bunch of HOF centers in their prime in the postseason either. It was basically the Bulls and Knicks every year, which both had older front lines while he was in his prime. Robert Parish put up 17/9.5 against Zo in '93 at 39.
Dwight's dogshyt offensively, but he's found ways to score. Even if it's just grabbing offensive rebounds, that's something, because no one could keep him off the glass in his prime. So even though Zo had a better offensive game, they were still scoring the same amount of points.
Breh why is it so hard for you to understand that you just can't look at stats? You brought up Tyson Chandler...who would have been a role player against the guys Zo was going up against regularly.C'mon, the league was watered down and they had the GOAT.
How many big series did Zo have in his career? One or two? No different than Dwight. Zo wasn't playing a bunch of HOF centers in their prime in the postseason either. It was basically the Bulls and Knicks every year, which both had older front lines while he was in his prime. Robert Parish put up 17/9.5 against Zo in '93 at 39.
Dwight's dogshyt offensively, but he's found ways to score. Even if it's just grabbing offensive rebounds, that's something, because no one could keep him off the glass in his prime. So even though Zo had a better offensive game, they were still scoring the same amount of points.
Just LOOK at the competition and the fact that Zo actually had an offensive game to go along with good defense.
C'mon, the league was watered down and they had the GOAT.
How many big series did Zo have in his career? One or two? No different than Dwight. Zo wasn't playing a bunch of HOF centers in their prime in the postseason either. It was basically the Bulls and Knicks every year, which both had older front lines while he was in his prime. Robert Parish put up 17/9.5 against Zo in '93 at 39.
Dwight's dogshyt offensively, but he's found ways to score. Even if it's just grabbing offensive rebounds, that's something, because no one could keep him off the glass in his prime. So even though Zo had a better offensive game, they were still scoring the same amount of points.
93' was Zo's rookie season, they upset the higher seeded Celtics
I also like how you left out that Zo averaged 24ppg 10rpg and 4bpg in that same series and then had 24/10 in the next series vs Ewing. If a prime Dwight had 16ppg/17rpg vs Kendrick Perkins what do you think he'd do against Ewing or Parrish Oh, so how you score is irrelevant now? Come on bruh, stop the
for Dwight. The fact of the matter is you could run more offense through Zo in a half court set than you can Dwight, period.I've said repeatedly that Zo is a better offensive player. I don't even like Dwight, but he's put up the same offensive numbers throughout his career. It's ugly as hell and he can be erratic, but the gap isn't that wide between the two.
93' was Zo's rookie season, they upset the higher seeded Celtics
Oh, so how you score is irrelevant now? Come on bruh, stop the
Zo's rookie year was the best of his career in the playoffs. After that he was giving you between 18-22 in his prime...just like Dwight. It's not like his teams had more success in the postseason either.