That’s not Mike being forgotten. Of course they would do that. They not comparing Bron to anyone else. That’s my pointA LOT of these younger cats are putting Bron over Mike
Way more than you think
Patrick Mahomes will NEVER be the GOAT
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That’s not Mike being forgotten. Of course they would do that. They not comparing Bron to anyone else. That’s my point
I heard some young nikka talk about, "Man who the fukk is Brad LowHouse. Craig Elliott (he meant Ehlo) wasn't nobody. Dan Marley looked sorry too".
I was crine laughing.
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This is gonna happen. Cats keep blowing it off, but I'm telling yall, Mahomes has benefitted greatly from being older and healthier than majority of his peers...
He gonna have to change his playstyle, because the physical way he plays won't last during his 30s. And all these young guys are getting older and more experienced, all these guys who've lost time and experience to injury (Lamar, Burrow), could remain healthier...
Historically, odds are that this was the death knell for this version of KC. They can still revamp and come back stronger later, we saw the 2010s Patriots do that. But it took awhile and other teams were also winning during that time...
This version of the Chiefs is finito and not just next year, as we see everyone age and other guys start winning, its going to reframe a context about Mahomes. Its gonna happen...
Mahomes was a wunderkind who came in and set The League ablaze------>but he did it in a sweet spot where all the top QBs were aging out, and no major threat from young guys consustently appeared. We thought Deshaun would be something, he fizzled out. Dak and Goff had flashes, but were inconsistent (until Goff's recent resurgence). All the other young QBs were a bunch of Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield's (before his own recent resurgence) and Jimmy G's and Mac Jones and Derek Carr's and on and on, a bunch of mid young QBs...
Yes Burrow and Lamar came along but both dealt with multiple lost seasons to injury. Allen was the only CONSISTENT young guy threat during Mahomes' entrance, and well, besides the 13-second game, Allen can't make a winning play vs KC with the game on the line to save his life...
All the old guys were, frankly, getting old and washed. You had Stafford in Detroit being mid like he always was. But then you had Wilson and Rivers and Reothlisberger and Brees and, for you Eli Stans, Eli and all these old QBs, besides Brady and Rodgers, clearly transitioning into injuries and washed status while Mahomes made his ascent...
Comparatively speaking, Mahomes was right place right time, from 2018 to 2022, thats a 5-year stretch that he won 2 of his 3 titles in. 3 of his 5 Super Bowl appearances. It was a window of old QBs washing out, newcomers either being inconsistent or injury prone or just simply.....TOO YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCED.
This was the Jordan/Bulls 90s run. All the better, older players of the NBA, and better teams, aged out. Jordan's peers were really good but there was no real threat at the wing, no challenger to him. No Kawhi's or Durants around. No Bird or Magic or apex Celtics and Lakers around. No Pistons around. Etc...
The 2018-24 Chiefs just had the 90s Bulls run, in terms of getting hot at the right time. Now though, the script is flipping. There are real challengers at QB, there's a guy in this era in Lamar Jackson, who football people keep telling us with their votes, they think is as good as Mahomes, he just doesn't have the playoff consistency...
There are other QBs maturing into their primes. Baker is a legit Top 10 QB today and TB is a viable threat. This mf was not even a Top 20 guy before last season. There's a guy in Washington who just had the most dominant rookie year ever. In his own division we learned that Nix is really a pro QB and the Paton/Payton combo is an elite duo in team construction and roster building...
I wanna be clear, the Chiefs will always be a threat with Mahomes in his prime, he's that great, as was Brady, as was Manning, etc. But that window of opportune dominance is closed for now, he gone have to get it out the mud for real. No more super old QBs anymore besides Rodgers, Stafford, and Wilson, and those guys arent threats. But there are a grip of young guys who are entering their prime soon...
That Chiefs, 90s Bulls run is done...
Brady wasn't considered the GOAT during the drought though, so it's fair play to say Mahomes' road to that designation is far and wide...
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I love the first Worthy TD. I think the Eagles were in cover zero and gave up because it was the end of the third. I think the Brady was a little surprised but it wasn't enough. He was so bad in the first half. I think 150 yards came after the score was 27-0 or something.
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Now compare Brady to Goat MontanaMontana in Super Bowls: 4-0, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 127.8 passer rating in era where rules favored the defense, dealt with NFC with Washington (3 SB wins), NYG (2 SB wins), Chicago (arguable GOAT team in 1985). Super Bowl wins against Dan Marino and John Elway.
Mahomes: 3-2, 10 TDs, 7 INTs, 91.4 passer rating with generous referee assistance, in an era where no other AFC team has won a championship since 2018, ref gifted wins against Jimmy Garaoppolo, Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy
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It doesn’t really matter, you know he’s one of the best out there, and he manages to stay in the sb we honestly have not seen that outside Tom that’s it, yea Lamar be putting up video game numbers but he has not touched the Super Bowl, has he made it to the afc chip ?? (I can’t remember off the top of my head)
They was ready to Bury Allen til he beat Lamar
No they just need a line, kind of hard to be a good qb when they kick your best linemen to tackle because your tackle was a turnstile, and then said lineman has to contain Nolan Smith and your interior has to stop Jalen Carter
Y’all over blow the head to head match ups, unless Brady played defense they weren’t going against the same situation, if all things were equal you think pat that was younger couldn’t put up a ton compared to an older Brady
But his line was Swiss cheese and that mf was throwing dimes to wrs sideways while getting his ass kicked
His mechanics is fine, your best lineman having to swing to tackle and stop sweat and Nolan smith is the problem and the guy filling in has to stop Carter and Davis two freaks of nature
Even Brady was commenting on his drop backs. His mechanics are not fine at all. It’s been a problem all season long. His tackle situation obviously is a problem this season but if you look at Mahomes tape this year and say all Is well back there then you are delusional.
Mahomes has been mid this season and it’s okay to admit it.
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Last year Ravens were in the AFC championship.
Their offense has been declining for two seasons, it's not just the line.
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Shut yo ass upTom Brady is 2-0 against him in the playoffs when he had a top 10 all time level receiver, TE and coach
imagine if old ass Jordan casually beat Heatles Bron twice
keep it consistent
I will say after 2022 season I thought he would be the GOAT.
Dude balled out that year, led the league in passing yardage and touchdowns with very average receivers, truly carried that team to a title. That was easily his most impressive year.
When you go back and look though things start looking funny in the light. That year in the playoffs, Cincinnati and Philly both got fukked by the officials in crucial moments in the playoffs. Yeah he played great in the Super Bowl. But was lucky to even get there.
2023 when the black magic shyt really took off. Teams start doing stupid shyt against them that they never do against anyone else. Missing easy field goals. Dropping wide open passes. Diving for touchdowns with the ball out in traffic for no reason and fumbling. Getting outplayed for entire games yet the opponent find creative ways to give it away at the end. Mahomes routinely playing trash or average ball for 3.5 quarters then getting all the credit for the win with a late TD against a gassed defense. When the other team should have put them away already. Getting the Goodell stimulus with garbage calls, or getting no-called when they commit flagrant penalties, in crucial moments so many times you start to lose count.
This year was even worse all the way up to yesterday. Don't know what happened exactly but dude's game fell off a cliff after 2022 and he been getting bailed out by the defense and Goodell's black and white hit squad ever since.
Dude balled out that year, led the league in passing yardage and touchdowns with very average receivers, truly carried that team to a title. That was easily his most impressive year.
When you go back and look though things start looking funny in the light. That year in the playoffs, Cincinnati and Philly both got fukked by the officials in crucial moments in the playoffs. Yeah he played great in the Super Bowl. But was lucky to even get there.
2023 when the black magic shyt really took off. Teams start doing stupid shyt against them that they never do against anyone else. Missing easy field goals. Dropping wide open passes. Diving for touchdowns with the ball out in traffic for no reason and fumbling. Getting outplayed for entire games yet the opponent find creative ways to give it away at the end. Mahomes routinely playing trash or average ball for 3.5 quarters then getting all the credit for the win with a late TD against a gassed defense. When the other team should have put them away already. Getting the Goodell stimulus with garbage calls, or getting no-called when they commit flagrant penalties, in crucial moments so many times you start to lose count.
This year was even worse all the way up to yesterday. Don't know what happened exactly but dude's game fell off a cliff after 2022 and he been getting bailed out by the defense and Goodell's black and white hit squad ever since.
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But you can appreciate the issues start and finish there, if that’s not good, you can’t thrive as a qb
