OutKast v Tribe Called Quest Verzuz Coming Soon?!

[JustCKing]

let me repeat this for you dikkheads.

outkast was safe rap, that was rooted in funk and r&b with a country southern soulful twist & imagery.........just like guess who???

nobody said they were identical.
nobody said outkast got ALL of their fans from their base either.

any other time, you twerps go on & on about them being transcendant......until its time to acknowledge whatever you perceive to be the un-flattering side of said transcendance.

This is still off base because nothing was "safe" about what they were doing. None of their albums sounded alike, which would've meant career suicide for most groups. Funk and R&B have always been a part of Hip Hop. It seems like you are downplaying and discrediting them for being transcendant. Just because they were transcendant has nothing to do with Arrested Development.

 

[JustCKing]

We gonna have to agree to disagree on the eccentric part. But to me they definitely were out the gate. Even the artwork for the album was eccentric with the drawing of the naked chick with the Afro puffs.

What is eccentric about a naked Black woman with afro puffs? What is eccentric about the cover of the first album with just a regular picture of the two of them with a shadow in the back and an Outkast logo?

The cover to ATLiens is a little eccentric as it is a comic book.

Aquemini is a throwback to the 70's. Nothing eccentric about it either.

You are reaching.

The thing that made Bone gangsta rap was the subject matter. The fact they were on Ruthless just further proved the point. JJ Fad was never on no gangsta shyt

You said the fact that they were signed to Ruthless helped make the gangsta. Inpointed out that JJ Fad was signed to that same label and as you pointed out, JJ Fad wasn't gangsta.

How was Bone's subject matter gangsta, but Kast on their debut wasn't. Kast was talking about blasting people on Southernplayalistic. Didn't put the glock away until ATLiens and picked it right back up on Aquemini because Big Boi had to protect his family word to "Da Art of Storytellin Pt. 2". Was Kast gangsta rappers? No, they were versatile enough to kick gun talk, throw in consciousness, party, and just give you the entire spectrum.

I never said if you liked Kast than you liked AD. I said if you liked AD you prolly really liked Kast and I made the disclaimer that that would be the case of you were a hip hop fan. Not sure why you keep saying this

I keep saying it because liking one was never predicated on liking another. You're making it seem as if liking Arrested was gateway to liking Kast. An example of inheriting a fan base is what happened with No Limit and CMR. There literally was a migration of fans who were No Limit fans that became CMR fans once Juvenile and B.G. took off. They went from screaming "Bout It, Bout It" to chanting "Bling, Bling". This was a natural progression and easy transition. Both camps were using the same slang, had that soulja/military vibe. They also had the flashy, Pen & Pixel album covers that were really similar.

Breh I literally said in the post you quoted that Hey Ya wouldn’t get played in a Versuz. I simply just said that by the logic you used that that was a second tier Kast single like you said the Way You Move is. Which doesn’t even make sense becuz those two songs are two out of three of the only songs they had to go numb

I said "Hey Ya" would be irrelevant altogether. It wouldn't fit. "The Way You Move" is still a song that would work in the battle even though they have songs that are more popular in a Hip Hop setting. Its like Jada using "Benjamins", which was huge and was hard to respond to, but he used it later in the battle.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

What is eccentric about a naked Black woman with afro puffs? What is eccentric about the cover of the first album with just a regular picture of the two of them with a shadow in the back and an Outkast logo?

The cover to ATLiens is a little eccentric as it is a comic book.

Aquemini is a throwback to the 70's. Nothing eccentric about it either.

You are reaching.



You said the fact that they were signed to Ruthless helped make the gangsta. Inpointed out that JJ Fad was signed to that same label and as you pointed out, JJ Fad wasn't gangsta.

How was Bone's subject matter gangsta, but Kast on their debut wasn't. Kast was talking about blasting people on Southernplayalistic. Didn't put the glock away until ATLiens and picked it right back up on Aquemini because Big Boi had to protect his family word to "Da Art of Storytellin Pt. 2". Was Kast gangsta rappers? No, they were versatile enough to kick gun talk, throw in consciousness, party, and just give you the entire spectrum.



I keep saying it because liking one was never predicated on liking another. You're making it seem as if liking Arrested was gateway to liking Kast. An example of inheriting a fan base is what happened with No Limit and CMR. There literally was a migration of fans who were No Limit fans that became CMR fans once Juvenile and B.G. took off. They went from screaming "Bout It, Bout It" to chanting "Bling, Bling". This was a natural progression and easy transition. Both camps were using the same slang, had that soulja/military vibe. They also had the flashy, Pen & Pixel album covers that were really similar.



I said "Hey Ya" would be irrelevant altogether. It wouldn't fit. "The Way You Move" is still a song that would work in the battle even though they have songs that are more popular in a Hip Hop setting. Its like Jada using "Benjamins", which was huge and was hard to respond to, but he used it later in the battle.

In 1994 that absolutely was eccentric. You make it seem like eccentric is a bad thing. And they got more eccentric as time went on

Bone was definitely on some gangsta shyt right out the gate. I mean they called themselves thugs in the group name. If Bone wasn’t gangsta rap what were they. And JJ Fad wasn’t making songs with Eazy E. But Bone was. I pointed out the fact they were signed to Ruthless just to further prove the point. Ruthless was a gangsta rap label first and foremost. They just so happened to sign a few acts that weren’t. Like JJ Fad and Michelle’le

Even tho Kast didn’t have some gun and pimp talk on the album they also had a level of consciousness to it. Their subject matter was really not much different than Leaders of the New School who were down with Native Tongues. Native Tongues made all that shyt with a Bohemian vibe popular and was the reason the alternative rap label even existed. So while AD wasn’t a precursor to Kast the Native Tongues were a precursor to both AD and Kast. Of course both groups weren’t the same but they both fit under that alternative umbrella I keep mentioning

And Kast doesn’t have that many songs that would be more popular in a hip hop setting than The Way You Move. I asked earlier what five songs would go better than that? That song was undeniably hip hop. shyt was even a club banger from what I remember becuz i was in the clubs during that time. That song would actually get one of the best reactions of the night

 

[JustCKing]

In 1994 that absolutely was eccentric. You make it seem like eccentric is a bad thing. And they got more eccentric as time went on

How am I making it seem like eccentric is a bad thing?

Nothing is eccentric about a cd having artwork of naked Black woman rocking an aftro breh. I am not sure how you are drawing that conclusion.

Bone was definitely on some gangsta shyt right out the gate. I mean they called themselves thugs in the group name. If Bone wasn’t gangsta rap what were they. And JJ Fad wasn’t making songs with Eazy E. But Bone was. I pointed out the fact they were signed to Ruthless just to further prove the point. Ruthless was a gangsta rap label first and foremost. They just so happened to sign a few acts that weren’t. Like JJ Fad and Michelle’le

Never said Bone wasn't gangsta. You stated that Kast was alternative because they had a whole song with singing and spoken word on their albums. Bone had an instrumental with just singing and a whole Ouija board skit on their album.

Even tho Kast didn’t have some gun and pimp talk on the album they also had a level of consciousness to it. Their subject matter was really not much different than Leaders of the New School who were down with Native Tongues. Native Tongues made all that shyt with a Bohemian vibe popular and was the reason the alternative rap label even existed. So while AD wasn’t a precursor to Kast the Native Tongues were a precursor to both AD and Kast. Of course both groups weren’t the same but they both fit under that alternative umbrella I keep mentioning

I already mentioned the consciousness on their album, but there was always the street element to their music mingled in with the consciousness. Their subject matter and their approach was a bit different from Leaders of the New School and Native Tongues. Kast still had songs like this on their most commercial, left field sounding albums:





^^^ song is far more in line with Too $hort than Native Tongues

And Kast doesn’t have that many songs that would be more popular in a hip hop setting than The Way You Move. I asked earlier what five songs would go better than that? That song was undeniably hip hop. shyt was even a club banger from what I remember becuz i was in the clubs during that time. That song would actually get one of the best reactions of the night

Elevators
Player's Ball
Git Up Git Out
ATLiens
Southernplayalistic
Rosa Parks

 

[Conan]

Beats, Rhymes, & Life is still a good album and it aged well. But it will probably never get love like that.

It's a great album.

nikkas wanted Midnight Marauders part 2, and shytted on the Ummah/Dilla beats.

This battle, if it happens, is evenly balanced in my opinion.

 

[Conan]

And can yall nikkas stop with the Arrested Development conversation

 

[BmoreGorilla]

How am I making it seem like eccentric is a bad thing?

Nothing is eccentric about a cd having artwork of naked Black woman rocking an aftro breh. I am not sure how you are drawing that conclusion.



Never said Bone wasn't gangsta. You stated that Kast was alternative because they had a whole song with singing and spoken word on their albums. Bone had an instrumental with just singing and a whole Ouija board skit on their album.



I already mentioned the consciousness on their album, but there was always the street element to their music mingled in with the consciousness. Their subject matter and their approach was a bit different from Leaders of the New School and Native Tongues. Kast still had songs like this on their most commercial, left field sounding albums:





^^^ song is far more in line with Too $hort than Native Tongues









Elevators
Player's Ball
Git Up Git Out
ATLiens
Southernplayalistic
Rosa Parks

Outside of Players Ball and Elevators I don’t think any of those songs do better in a Versuz than The Way You Move. So Fresh So Clean and Ms Jackson prolly would tho

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

Beats, Rhymes, & Life is still a good album and it aged well. But it will probably never get love like that.

I was too young to appreciate the album when it dropped (I was 4 in ‘96) but that’s my 3rd most fav Tribe album and it’s in my personal Top 40 most fav Hip Hop albums. I’m a huge sucker for Dilla beats and IMO, his sound meshed perfectly with Tribe’s whole vibe and aesthetic I would’ve loved the hell out of the album religiously if I was in my late 20’s back then













This album would’ve been part of my summer soundtrack of ‘96, y'all real live used to shyt on Dilla’s beats in this album

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Show me where I said nobody liked both groups. I said nobody ever MADE A COMPARISON between these two groups. Never said shyt about liking.

I also never said they were on some super gangsta hardcore Spice 1-esque shyt either. But they also weren't that shyt you're tryin' to lump them in with.

"I already knew you were moist"... my bad, guy who was bumpin' "Shoop", "Boom Shake The Room" and H-Town in '93. I probably wasn't as tough as you and your hardcore musical taste at the tender age of 8.

And this post here is a prime example of what I mean when I say you twist and bend shyt to make trash-ass talking points. Geek.

i never said that anybody ever made a comparison between the two groups either. all i said is that they inherited alot of their fanbase. i didnt even say that it was the only fanbase that they inherited. if youre not cognizant of it, then oh well. move on. you dudes is weirdos. look at you all in your feelings in here, listing random songs from 27 years ago that i wasnt even that big on. just cuz i prolly dropped a link to those songs in a thread based on 1993, i guess. LOL. get a real life.

did you just ask me who bumped h-town in '93??? i always knew you were a homely homosexual.

my lil girl cousin is tougher than you right now at the tender age of 8. whats your point??

please stop reppin baltimore.

Breh, you've already obliterated any credibility you might've had on this subject for years, but this thread in particular, you've really played yourself.

It doesn't matter who you thought was singing the hook. The fact that you got Sly Stone out of it (and you only did that to force the Arrested Development narrative), brings into question of whether Black music is a subject you should be discussing.

And don't put this agenda on me. You've been at this since the old board before I was ever even posting there.

And even if you meant Adult Contemporary, that crowd didn't cross paths with Hip Hop, which is why we never saw those artists collaborate with rappers in the way that Mary or R. Kelly would.

OutKast was no more R&B-safe than anybof their contemporaries during that period specifically throughout the 90's. Let's be real, just looking at 1994:

Warren G had "Regulate" featuring Nate Dogg which reimagined Michael McDonald's "I Keep Forgetting".

Biggie had "Juicy", which reimagined Mtume's "Juicy Fruit".

Method Man had "You're All I Need", which flipped Marvin and Tammy's classic.

sly stone, curtis mayfield, whoever. youre being trivial.
and yes, sly stone. you still havnt addressed the actual song i was talking about.

lol @ you trying to say outkast's music was no safer than a biggie, meth, or warren.

im done with you dikkheads. go head on and think what you want. i got too much real chit going on.

 

[JustCKing]

sly stone, curtis mayfield, whoever. youre being trivial.
and yes, sly stone. you still havnt addressed the actual song i was talking about.

Nothing trivial about it. He doesn't sound nothing like Sly Stone. That is a huge error on your part. What's there to address about both versions of "Player's Ball" and "Southernplayalistic". None of those songs sound anything like what you were trying to make them out to be. Being that you didn't even know who was singing on those records and you thinking Sly Stone and Curtis Mayfield are interchangeable lets me know that any musical explanations are wasted on you.

lol @ you trying to say outkast's music was no safer than a biggie, meth, or warren.

That's because it wasn't. It ain't like any of them were releasing songs like "Shook Ones Pt. 2" or "Survival of the Fittest" as singles.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

That's because it wasn't. It ain't like any of them were releasing songs like "Shook Ones Pt. 2" or "Survival of the Fittest" as singles.

so youre saying that outkast's music wasnt safe compared to "ready to die" or the other albums from those artists??

youre an idiot if you truly think that.
and youre a freak for stanning someone hard enough to let some chit like that roll off your keyboard.

Nothing trivial about it. He doesn't sound nothing like Sly Stone. That is a huge error on your part. What's there to address about both versions of "Player's Ball" and "Southernplayalistic". None of those songs sound anything like what you were trying to make them out to be. Being that you didn't even know who was singing on those records and you thinking Sly Stone and Curtis Mayfield are interchangeable lets me know that any musical explanations are wasted on you.

i never said mayfield & stone were interchangeable.
i never said anything remotley close to that.
stop putting words in my mouth, freak. theres no prize at the end of this.

i dont remember nobody sounding like no curtis mayfield on the verse. AGAIN, im not talking about the hook. and youre still not addressing the verse. so whatever. its trivial either way. and chit, even if they sounded like mayfield, my point would still stand. so i dont know why youre going thru these silly motions.

 

[JustCKing]

so youre saying that outkast's music wasnt safe compared to "ready to die" or the other albums from those artists??

Breh, its clear you haven't heard Kast's music. These artists were in the same vein. Kast, Biggie, Warren G, and Meth were all accepted by mainstream in 1994 in a way that their more hardcore counterparts weren't.

youre an idiot if you truly think that.
and youre a freak for stanning someone hard enough to let some chit like that roll off your keyboard.

You're an idiot for thinking otherwise or maybe you don't know what "safe" means. All of those acts had street elements to their music. The R&B and funk influences and features made them digestible to mainstream America, so the references to violence, drug use, sex, etc. was an easier listen.

i never said mayfield & stone were interchangeable.
i never said anything remotley close to that.
stop putting words in my mouth, retard.

You thinking Sleepy Brown sounds like Sly Stone says that you think Curtis and Sly sound alike or you're just completely oblivious to these artists period.

maybe or maybe not.
i havnt heard that version in ages.
i dont remember nobody sounding like no curtis mayfield on there either. and again, im not talking about the hook. and youre still not addressing it, so whatever. its trivial either way.

Sleepy is only on the hook to the single version of "Player's Ball". On the version that only features him, he still sounds nothing like Sly even on the verses, which sounds more in tune with Earth, Wind & Fire.

If you don't know, then you shouldn't even be having this argument. I've always figured you've never really listened to Kast to even be discussing their music in depth. You come off as someone who doesn't understand why they are popular, never bothered to listen to them, and created an entire narrative because you feel some type of way about their success.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Breh, its clear you haven't heard Kast's music. These artists were in the same vein. Kast, Biggie, Warren G, and Meth.
were all accepted by mainstream in 1994 in a way that their more hardcore counterparts weren't.

thats it for me right there.

you telling me you would play a biggie/warren/meth record in front of your grandparents before an outkast cut?

you proved me right. you dudes want outkast in that mix so bad. thats the real reason youre up in arms about this.

and lol @ the bolded. why are you so intent on comparing kast to those acts anyway??? they were nowhere near as popular as biggie/warren/meth, but you want to sit up here and draw up sentences like the bolded, as if they were on the same wave-length. yall try so hard to make these dudes seem like they were bigger than they were. thats the real reason yall are up in arms about such a miniscule comment.

have a good day.

 

[JustCKing]

thats it for me right there.

you proved me right. you dudes want outkast in that mix so bad. thats the real reason youre up in arms about this.
why are you so intent on comparing kast to those acts anyway??? they were nowhere near as popular as biggie/warren/meth, but you want to sit up here and draw up sentences like the bolded, as if they were on the same wave-length. yall try so hard to make these dudes seem like they were bigger than they were. thats the real reason yall are up in arms about such a miniscule comment.

have a good day.

Breh, who cares whether Kast is in that mix?

This was not even about popularity. Where did I say they were as popular? I said they all made music that appealed to mainstream America even though they were penning first person narratives that depicted sex, drugs, and violence, but having the R&B hooks made all that digestible. Don't even know how you drew that conclusion.

 

[DANJ!]

i never said that anybody ever made a comparison between the two groups either. all i said is that they inherited alot of their fanbase. i didnt even say that it was the only fanbase that they inherited. if youre not cognizant of it, then oh well. move on. you dudes is weirdos. look at you all in your feelings in here, listing random songs from 27 years ago that i wasnt even that big on. just cuz i prolly dropped a link to those songs in a thread based on 1993, i guess. LOL. get a real life.

did you just ask me who bumped h-town in '93??? i always knew you were a homely homosexual.

my lil girl cousin is tougher than you right now at the tender age of 8. whats your point??

please stop reppin baltimore.

This tough guy/know it all persona you got on here is LAUGHS, bruh... you're the only one who believes it. "A homely homosexual", really? Just cause I clown you for damn near always bein' off-point about music and wrestling and your lil' marshmallow-ass heart can't take it? And not only do you be dead-ass wrong, but PROUDLY loud and wrong, poor comprehension and all it's a sight to see sometimes

Yeah man, go tend to your "real shyt", cause this music discussion shyt ain't your lane. This has been true for as long as you been on here, and you still provin' it to this day... TO THIS DAY... TO THIS DAY