OutKast v Tribe Called Quest Verzuz Coming Soon?!

[BmoreGorilla]

It is a stretch because Kast sounded NOTHING like Arrested. Yes, they auditioned for LA Reid using Tribe's "Scenario", but you can't tell me that when you first heard the songs below, they gave you flashbacks of Arrested:











^^^ look, sound, and aesthetic is completely different except maybe the flow.


We don't get any Native Tongue vibes from Kast until this drops:

I’m not saying they had to sound a like. shyt De La and Tribe were in the same collective and didn’t sound a like so I don’t see how that’s relevant. But they were still under that alternative umbrella which is my whole point. You keep acting like they shouldn’t be given that label since they talked about pimps on the album

They had a whole ass R&B song on the album and a whole ass spoken word song on Aquemini


If that’s not alternative hip hop I don’t know what is

 

[BmoreGorilla]

No its not. "The Way You Move" is like second tier Kast material.

The Way You Move is second tier Kast material now ?


You can’t name 5 Kast songs that would get a better reaction in a Versuz. Matter fact it’s the ONLY song from that whole double album that would even go in a Versuz. And that was their biggest album. But now it’s second tier?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

i take it that youre not too familiar with @JustCKing.

common sense just isnt his 4-tay.

check out his performance in that eminem/snoop thread for further analysis.






i was doing you a solid with that last post, but youre too socially numb to heed to the warning.
youre going out of your way to let everybody know that you have no clue what youre talking about.

"afrocentricity that existed outside of hip-hop".
you dont know what the hell youre talking about.
funny thing is, your hero got his first award, rockin a dashiki, and looking like a lost member of arrested development.

just sitdown already before you pop a vessel.

I think he feels some type of way becuz of how corny AD was viewed. But a lot of that shyt that was labeled alternative was corny. The main thing about all those groups is they had a level of eccentricity to them. Some more than others. Kast got more eccentric as time went on

 

[JustCKing]

I’m not saying they had to sound a like. shyt De La and Tribe were in the same collective and didn’t sound a like so I don’t see how that’s relevant. But they were still under that alternative umbrella which is my whole point. You keep acting like they shouldn’t be given that label since they talked about pimps on the album

They had a whole ass R&B song on the album and a whole ass spoken word song on Aquemini


If that’s not alternative hip hop I don’t know what is

Breh, when Kast first dropped, there was literally nothing common with those groups and that goes beyond sound.

And no having an R&B song on an album doesn't quantify it being an alternative. Mia X had a whole spoken word piece and an R&B/Gospel song on Unlady Like. Nobody calls that album an alternative. Bone had an instrumental version of "Foe The Love Money" on Creepin that only features singing/crooning, that's not an alternative either.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

No you didn't say they were influenced by Arrested. I never said thatbyou did. I was stating the fact that Tribe influenced Kast, but you NEVER say they inherited their audience.

because i dont need to say it.

we've already established that and youre not in denial about it.

im not into typing just to be typing chit.

And yes you did imply that Andre was trying to look like Arrested. Why even bring up how he looked at The Source Awards and then say he was looking like a lost member of Arrested as if they were the onlybones rocking dashikis.

Afrocentricity existed outside of Hip Hop. Huge part of the reason why Spike Lee had Arrested create "Revolution" for the Malcolm X soundtrack. It was the only modern song on the whole soundtrack. Everything else was oldies.

i never implied that andre was trying to look like arrested development. LOL.
i was pointing out a glaring similarity.

i never said africentricity didnt exist outside of hip-hop. WTF.
you were in here talking as if it never existed within hip-hop.....which i now see that its not what you meant to say.

 

[JustCKing]

I think he feels some type of way becuz of how corny AD was viewed. But a lot of that shyt that was labeled alternative was corny. The main thing about all those groups is they had a level of eccentricity to them. Some more than others. Kast got more eccentric as time went on

I don't feel any type of way about the comparison at all. My whole point is that @Homeboy Runny-Ray is only making the comparison to Arrested to downplay Kast because of how Arrested is viewed.

I don't know why we're even continuing this line of discussion. You didn't get into Kast because you liked Arrested, so what exactly are you basing the whole idea of them inheriting Arrested's audience on?

 

[JustCKing]

i never implied that andre was trying to look like arrested development. LOL.
i was pointing out a glaring similarity.

Saying that wearing a dashiki is a glaring similarity between them and Arrested is implying that

1) Dashikis were exclusive to Arrested

2) He was trying to look like them

Why did I come to this conclusion? Because there's literally other artists and groups wore dashikis.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Breh, when Kast first dropped, there was literally nothing common with those groups and that goes beyond sound.

And no having an R&B song on an album doesn't quantify it being an alternative. Mia X had a whole spoken word piece and an R&B/Gospel song on Unlady Like. Nobody calls that album an alternative. Bone had an instrumental version of "Foe The Love Money" on Creepin that only features singing/crooning, that's not an alternative either.

A lot of those groups had nothing in common other than the fact they were considered eccentric and as a result fit under that alternative umbrella. Kast was one of those groups. The fact that Kast had an R&B song just added to that alternative sound the album had already established. As I already pointed out nobody in the South sounded like them. Nobody sounded like Bone either but their shyt was so gangsta and they were signed to Ruthless so they automatically got the gangsta rap label

 

[JustCKing]

The Way You Move is second tier Kast material now ?


You can’t name 5 Kast songs that would get a better reaction in a Versuz. Matter fact it’s the ONLY song from that whole double album that would even go in a Versuz. And that was their biggest album. But now it’s second tier?

Yes, because they have other songs that they could play in a Verzuz before they ever touched that song.

And yes, "The Way You Move" is one of the only songs from the double album I see them using.
That song is second tier because they had a whole greatest hits album that went platinum two years before Speakerboxxx/Love Below dropped.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I think he feels some type of way becuz of how corny AD was viewed. But a lot of that shyt that was labeled alternative was corny. The main thing about all those groups is they had a level of eccentricity to them. Some more than others. Kast got more eccentric as time went on

thats prolly it.

i didnt mean it as an insult.

but yea, all of those groups were corny. not saying that i didnt listen to them, but yea - arrested, kast, tribe, etc - all corny. alot of gangsta rappers were corny to me as well tho.

I don't feel any type of way about the comparison at all. My whole point is that @Homeboy Runny-Ray is only making the comparison to Arrested to downplay Kast because of how Arrested is viewed.

I don't know why we're even continuing this line of discussion. You didn't get into Kast because you liked Arrested, so what exactly are you basing the whole idea of them inheriting Arrested's audience on?

i wasnt downplaying anything.

IN YOUR EYES its down-playing because you want outkast to be viewed in a totally different light than they are.
even your fellow southerners routinely correct you about that on here.

so dont try to spin the narrative around me.
youre the one with the complex.

Breh, when Kast first dropped, there was literally nothing common with those groups and that goes beyond sound.

And no having an R&B song on an album doesn't quantify it being an alternative. Mia X had a whole spoken word piece and an R&B/Gospel song on Unlady Like. Nobody calls that album an alternative. Bone had an instrumental version of "Foe The Love Money" on Creepin that only features singing/crooning, that's not an alternative either.

now youre just being obtuse.

im glad this isnt my argument.

what a headache you are.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I don't feel any type of way about the comparison at all. My whole point is that @Homeboy Runny-Ray is only making the comparison to Arrested to downplay Kast because of how Arrested is viewed.

I don't know why we're even continuing this line of discussion. You didn't get into Kast because you liked Arrested, so what exactly are you basing the whole idea of them inheriting Arrested's audience on?

Nobody is saying that you got into Kast simply becuz you liked AD. But as I keep saying if you were a fan of hip hop and liked AD it’s only natural that you prolly liked Kast even more

 

[JustCKing]

A lot of those groups had nothing in common other than the fact they were considered eccentric and as a result fit under that alternative umbrella. Kast was one of those groups. The fact that Kast had an R&B song just added to that alternative sound the album had already established. As I already pointed out nobody in the South sounded like them. Nobody sounded like Bone either but their shyt was so gangsta and they were signed to Ruthless so they automatically got the gangsta rap label

Kast when they first dropped were not eccentric. Having an R&B song didn't add to anything. Breh, nobody in The South sounded like Kast because there weren't many artists that broke through on a mainstream level that you could compare them to. Nothing from The South got respect besides Geto Boys before Kast.

Being signed to Ruthless doesn't give you an automatic gangsta rap title. J.J. Fad was on that label. That's beside the point anyway. You're in here talking about Kast was alternative for having spoken word and R&B on their albums, but want to neglect the fact that Bone sang and rapped on their songs.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Yes, because they have other songs that they could play in a Verzuz before they ever touched that song.

And yes, "The Way You Move" is one of the only songs from the double album I see them using.
That song is second tier because they had a whole greatest hits album that went platinum two years before Speakerboxxx/Love Below dropped.

I guess that would make their biggest song Hey Ya second tier too by this logic


But that wouldn’t get played in a Versuz. The Way You Move would tho. I just looked it up and Kast has three songs that went #1 and The Way You Move is one of them. But all of a sudden it’s second tier?

 

[JustCKing]

Nobody is saying that you got into Kast simply becuz you liked AD. But as I keep saying if you were a fan of hip hop and liked AD it’s only natural that you prolly liked Kast even more

There is not a natural progression from Arrested to Kast. There are plethora of people who like Kast and dislike Arrested. The person who gave Kast a 4.5 mic review pointed that out.

 

[JustCKing]

I guess that would make their biggest song Hey Ya second tier too by this logic


But that wouldn’t get played in a Versuz. The Way You Move would tho. I just looked it up and Kast has three songs that went #1 and The Way You Move is one of them. But all of a sudden it’s second tier?

Breh, most people in this thread have already stated "Hey Ya" will be irrelevant in this battle and they probably won't even touch that song even though it went #1. Have you ever seen a Verzuz? Some songs that were monster hits do not get played.