OutKast v Tribe Called Quest Verzuz Coming Soon?!

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Kast when they first dropped were not eccentric. Having an R&B song didn't add to anything. Breh, nobody in The South sounded like Kast because there weren't many artists that broke through on a mainstream level that you could compare them to. Nothing from The South got respect besides Geto Boys before Kast.

Being signed to Ruthless doesn't give you an automatic gangsta rap title. J.J. Fad was on that label. That's beside the point anyway. You're in here talking about Kast was alternative for having spoken word and R&B on their albums, but want to neglect the fact that Bone sang and rapped on their songs.

i can tell that youre just playing dumb at this point.
youre taking a word or phrase of his and running with it, in hopes of building an argument.

he said way more than just the word "eccentric".in regards to outkast & them.
he also said way more about bone, than just them being signed to ruthless.

youre funny.

No its not. "The Way You Move" is like second tier Kast material.

by that logic, so is bonita applebum.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Kast when they first dropped were not eccentric. Having an R&B song didn't add to anything. Breh, nobody in The South sounded like Kast because there weren't many artists that broke through on a mainstream level that you could compare them to. Nothing from The South got respect besides Geto Boys before Kast.

Being signed to Ruthless doesn't give you an automatic gangsta rap title. J.J. Fad was on that label. That's beside the point anyway. You're in here talking about Kast was alternative for having spoken word and R&B on their albums, but want to neglect the fact that Bone sang and rapped on their songs.

We gonna have to agree to disagree on the eccentric part. But to me they definitely were out the gate. Even the artwork for the album was eccentric with the drawing of the naked chick with the Afro puffs.

The thing that made Bone gangsta rap was the subject matter. The fact they were on Ruthless just further proved the point. JJ Fad was never on no gangsta shyt

There is not a natural progression from Arrested to Kast. There are plethora of people who like Kast and dislike Arrested. The person who gave Kast a 4.5 mic review pointed that out.

I never said if you liked Kast than you liked AD. I said if you liked AD you prolly really liked Kast and I made the disclaimer that that would be the case of you were a hip hop fan. Not sure why you keep saying this

Breh, most people in this thread have already stated "Hey Ya" will be irrelevant in this battle and they probably won't even touch that song even though it went #1. Have you ever seen a Verzuz? Some songs that were monster hits do not get played.

Breh I literally said in the post you quoted that Hey Ya wouldn’t get played in a Versuz. I simply just said that by the logic you used that that was a second tier Kast single like you said the Way You Move is. Which doesn’t even make sense becuz those two songs are two out of three of the only songs they had to go number one

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

We gonna have to agree to disagree on the eccentric part. But to me they definitely were out the gate. Even the artwork for the album was eccentric with the drawing of the naked chick with the Afro puffs.

yea.

hes an A&B thinker, so he prolly didnt look at kast as eccentric until they began to pull out the wigs & such.

they were always eccentric and definitely some country bumpkins

There is not a natural progression from Arrested to Kast. There are plethora of people who like Kast and dislike Arrested. The person who gave Kast a 4.5 mic review pointed that out.

theres also a plethora of people who liked arrested and immediately gravitated to outkast as well. hence the term "inheriting a fanbase".

especially if you liked AD and were a rap fan.
if you werent a rap fan, you prolly didnt add kast into your collection next to AD albums until the 3rd or 4th joint.

 

[DANJ!]

I don't feel any type of way about the comparison at all. My whole point is that @Homeboy Runny-Ray is only making the comparison to Arrested to downplay Kast because of how Arrested is viewed.

I don't know why we're even continuing this line of discussion. You didn't get into Kast because you liked Arrested, so what exactly are you basing the whole idea of them inheriting Arrested's audience on?

Right...

When Arrested Development came out they were on some super bohemian, watering plants on stage nshyt, interpretative dance, happy-but-woke type shyt... definitely the "cool, safe" rap group of that era that got a gang of mainstream coverage for their positivity in the so called "gangsta" era.

Outkast was out there with gotdamn "Player's Ball"!

Even after SPCM when they went a lil' more left field, I have literally never heard anyone name Outkast as anything similar to Arrested Development... ever.

 

[JustCKing]

theres also a plethora of people who liked arrested and immediately gravitated to outkast as well.

especially if you liked AD and were a rap fan.
if you werent a rap fan, you prolly didnt add kast into your collection next to AD albums until the 3rd or 4th joint.

Where are these people because it is well established that a lot of people do not claim Arrested even if they bought the first album.

What Arrested albums? Even the people who were fans of Arrested only copped Arrested's first album, which is why this whole notion that Kast inherited their fans makes no sense. They only had ONE successful album.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Right...

When Arrested Development came out they were on some super bohemian, watering plants on stage nshyt, interpretative dance, happy-but-woke type shyt... definitely the "cool, safe" rap group of that era that got a gang of mainstream coverage for their positivity in the so called "gangsta" era.

Outkast was out there with gotdamn "Player's Ball"!

Even after that, I have literally never heard anyone name Outkast as anything similar to Arrested Development... ever.

since when do they have to be identical?? youre taking this topic backwards.

but i'll play along for now:
"players ball" - which had both an instrumental and hook that sounded like something arrested development wouldve used. same with the title track single that followed..
oh and then theres the extended remix of players ball, where they have the bul singing a verse sly stone-style, which is arrested development all day.
dont even get me started on "git up get out".

similar vibes/similar presentation outside of the 'slave chit' that AD was on, etc etc.

and are we gonna pretend that outkast wasnt a safe rap group??

i already know youre smarter than this and just stanning, btw.

Where are these people because it is well established that a lot of people do not claim Arrested even if they bought the first album.

What Arrested albums? Even the people who were fans of Arrested only copped Arrested's first album, which is why this whole notion that Kast inherited their fans makes no sense. They only had ONE successful album.

lol @ the bolded. youre stuck on the rippity-rap chit again.

and yes, i know people who copped the 2nd album. i dont know what that has to do with anything tho.

arrested development accomplished more off of one album than 90% or rappers. i dont know why youre acting like they have to drop 20 albums in order for someone to inherit their fanbase. chit all you really need is one song, and similar acts would start getting deals.

youre really reaching for straws and throwing chit at the wall now. SO DESPERATE.

 

[DANJ!]

"players ball" - which had an instrumental that sounded like something arrested development wouldve used. same with the title track single.
oh and then theres the extended remix where they have the bul singing a verse sly stone-style, which is arrested development all day.
dont even get me started on "git up get out".

and are we gonna pretend that outkast wasnt a safe rap group??

i already know youre smarter than this and just stanning, btw.

Breh...

Arrested Development was the safest thing in urban music not named PM Dawn or Hammer in 1992...

Outkast took a good 9 years before un-hip white people became interested in them. Prior to that, they weren't exactly the most hood shyt in the world, but they definitely weren't being put on the pop pedestal either, and surely not with the first album.

You were around... you were only like 8, but you were cognizant. Stop playin'.

I know how you like to twist and bend shyt to make it fit, like that "Black Moon was bigger than Tribe in '93" shyt I saw earlier but come on breh... that Arrested Development comparison is never gonna fly. I ain't ever seen that comparison made because there isn't one. It's a hellafied stretch.

 

[JustCKing]

since when do they have to be identical?? youre taking this topic backwards.

but i'll play along for now:
"players ball" - which had an instrumental that sounded like something arrested development wouldve used. same with the title track single.
oh and then theres the extended remix where they have the bul singing a verse sly stone-style, which is arrested development all day.
dont even get me started on "git up get out".

and are we gonna pretend that outkast wasnt a safe rap group??

i already know youre smarter than this and just stanning, btw.





lol @ the bolded. youre stuck on the rippity-rap chit again.

and yes, i know people who copped the 2nd album. i dont know what that has to do with anything tho.

arrested development accomplished more off of one album than 90% or rappers. i dont know why youre acting like they have to drop 20 albums in order for someone to inherit their fanbase. chit all you really need is one song, and similar acts would start getting deals.

youre really reaching for straws and throwing chit at the wall now. SO DESPERATE.

Come get this cracka.

This dude is in here talking about "Player's Ball" sounds like Arrested Development sonically. Post the songs. And you're saying the title track sounds like Arrested?

You haven't heard Sly Stone if you think Sleepy Brown sounds like Sly. Sleepy is more in tune with Curtis Mayfield than Sly.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Breh...

Arrested Development was the safest thing in urban music not named PM Dawn or Hammer in 1992...

Outkast took a good 9 years before un-hip white people became interested in them. Prior to that, they weren't exactly the most hood shyt in the world, but they definitely weren't being put on the pop pedestal either, and surely not with the first album.

You were around... you were only like 8, but you were cognizant. Stop playin'
I know how you like to twist and bend shyt to make it fit, like that "Black Moon was bigger than Tribe in '93" shyt I saw earlier but come on breh... that Arrested Development comparison is never gonna fly. I ain't ever seen that comparison made because there isn't one. It's a hellafied stretch.

outkast was one of the safer groups themselves by the time they came out. whats your point??

no it didnt take no dam 9 years. un-hip white people were big on outkast by "rosa parks" at the latest.
and i wasnt talking white people. i was referring to the contemporary r&b crowd that loved rap groups like arrested & pm dawn & them. outkast had a following via that crowd from day one, and it grew with every release. nevermind the fact that they were laface's rap group. this is what seperated them from their southern counterparts like UGK, 8ball & MJG. i dont know why people on here try to pretend that outkast was moving units on some impactful hardcore hip-hop chit.

i was in 4th grade when outkast blew up actually. maybe you were a dweeb back then. its understandable, seeing how youre still a dweeb at 40. thats fine.
you up here saying you never knew anybody that liked both groups - youre the one who wasnt cognizant. nerd.

i said black moon was bigger in the streets. thats it. i guess you can say that i bent it, when i said tribe werent moving units like that, so basing it off of just the streets is kinda fair game.

Come get this cracka.

This dude is in here talking about "Player's Ball" sounds like Arrested Development sonically. Post the songs. And you're saying the title track sounds like Arrested?

You haven't heard Sly Stone if you think Sleepy Brown sounds like Sly. Sleepy is more in tune with Curtis Mayfield than Sly.

well for starters,i was referring to the extended players ball remix with dude singing a verse on there like sly stone. you know, the one at the end of the album that i supposedly never listened to because im not a geek stan??

i know who sleepy brown is. thats not him on that song.

 

[DANJ!]

outkast was one of the safer groups themselves by the time they came out. whats your point??

no it didnt take no dam 9 years. un-hip white people were big on outkast by "rosa parks" at the latest.
and i wasnt talking white people. i was referring to the contemporary r&b crowd that loved rap groups like arrested & pm dawn & them. outkast had a following via that crowd from day one, and it grew with every release. nevermind the fact that they were laface's rap group. this is what seperated them from their southern counterparts like UGK, 8ball & MJG. i dont know why people on here try to pretend that outkast was moving units on some impactful hardcore hip-hop chit.

i was in 4th grade when outkast blew up actually. maybe you were a dweeb back then. its understandable, seeing how youre still a dweeb at 40. thats fine.

i said black moon was bigger in the streets. thats it. i guess you can say that i bent it, when i said tribe werent moving units like that, so basing it off of just the streets is kinda fair game.

Wacky...

First off, you're a dweeb because you use words like "dweeb"... and your rap opinions at age 35 are largely trash, so if you think I'm taking credence in your knowledge at age 8 or 9 or whateverthefukk, you WILD.

And ALLLLL these paragraphs are never gonna make that AD/Kast comparison make sense. You can take this thread to 50 pages dying on that hill, and it's still not gonna make sense to anyone but you.

The only thing that you're right about is that Kast being on LaFace separated them from the more 'street' Southern acts of the time. But that's about where it stops because regardless of the perception, once the actual music was heard, it was clear that it wasn't some super-soft R&B lite-rap shyt. And the fact that you're constantly tryin' to lump their shyt in (the first one at that) with Arrested Development and PM Dawn makes you sound like... what? A dweeb.

What you got for us next... "Tribe Called Quest was like a rap version of Soul II Soul"? Make the thread, kiddo!

 

[JustCKing]

outkast was one of the safer groups themselves by the time they came out. whats your point??

no it didnt take no dam 9 years. un-hip white people were big on outkast by "rosa parks" at the latest.
and i wasnt talking white people. i was referring to the contemporary r&b crowd that loved rap groups like arrested & pm dawn & them. outkast had a following via that crowd from day one, and it grew with every release. nevermind the fact that they were laface's rap group. this is what seperated them from their southern counterparts like UGK, 8ball & MJG. i dont know why people on here try to pretend that outkast was moving units on some impactful hardcore hip-hop chit.

i was in 4th grade when outkast blew up actually. maybe you were a dweeb back then. its understandable, seeing how youre still a dweeb at 40. thats fine.
you up here saying you never knew anybody that liked both groups - youre the one who wasnt cognizant. nerd.

i said black moon was bigger in the streets. thats it. i guess you can say that i bent it, when i said tribe werent moving units like that, so basing it off of just the streets is kinda fair game.





well for starters,i was referring to the extended players ball remix with dude singing a verse on there like sly stone. you know, the one at the end of the album that i supposedly never listened to because im not a geek stan??

i know who sleepy brown is. thats not him on that song.

You keep making yourself look bad. Do you even know what Contemporary R&B is? It's more Hip Hop leaning R&B i.e. Mary J. Blige and R. Kelly. These fans were listening to a lot of Hip Hop.

Sleepy Brown is on BOTH versions of "Player's Ball".

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Wacky...

First off, you're a dweeb because you use words like "dweeb"... and your rap opinions at age 35 are largely trash, so if you think I'm taking credence in your knowledge at age 8 or 9 or whateverthefukk, you WILD.

And ALLLLL these paragraphs are never gonna make that AD/Kast comparison make sense. You can take this thread to 50 pages dying on that hill, and it's still not gonna make sense to anyone but you.

The only thing that you're right about is that Kast being on LaFace separated them from the more 'street' Southern acts of the time. But that's about where it stops because regardless of the perception, once the actual music was heard, it was clear that it wasn't some super-soft R&B lite-rap shyt. And the fact that you're constantly tryin' to lump their shyt in (the first one at that) with Arrested Development and PM Dawn makes you sound like... what? A dweeb.

What you got for us next... "Tribe Called Quest was like a rap version of Soul II Soul"? Make the thread, kiddo!

so instead of actually responding to the content of my post, you choose to type an essay worth of insults.
like i said, youre a dweeb.

doesnt matter how old i was. i was outside and cognizant. only a nerd ass nicca tries to focus on age like that. you aine even much older than me.

and again, youre the one who finds it shocking that someone can like both groups. clearly youre the one who wasnt cognizant and needed to get out more,

i know for a fact that they inherited that fanbase. im not trying to convince you about chit tho.
i just have a vested interest in making @JustCKing use his brain, no matter the topic. i really dont care whether you agree or not. i dont know why youre so hype like you matter.

outkast wasnt r&b-lite safe rap to you??
i already knew you were moist but lol.
why yall keep trying to act like SPCM was made in the same vein as say "187 he wrote" is beyond me.
outkast was safe rap, that was rooted in funk and r&b with a country southern soulful twist & imagery.........just like guess who???

You keep making yourself look bad. Do you even know what Contemporary R&B is? It's more Hip Hop leaning R&B i.e. Mary J. Blige and R. Kelly. These fans were listening to a lot of Hip Hop.

Sleepy Brown is on BOTH versions of "Player's Ball".

my bad.
i meant to say adult contemporary.

well im talking about the verse, not the hook. maybe he changed the flow up or something if thats him on the verse(which you still havnt addressed). i dont know or give a f*ck about dude like that. im not a fan of these neggas. hes just an add-on.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

let me repeat this for you dikkheads.

outkast was safe rap, that was rooted in funk and r&b with a country southern soulful twist & imagery.........just like guess who???

nobody said they were identical.
nobody said outkast got ALL of their fans from their base either.

any other time, you twerps go on & on about them being transcendant......until its time to acknowledge whatever you perceive to be the un-flattering side of said transcendance.

 

[DANJ!]

so instead of actually responding to the content of my post, you choose to type an essay worth of insults.
like i said, youre a dweeb.

doesnt matter how old i was. i was outside and cognizant. only a nerd ass nicca tries to focus on age like that. you aine even much older than me.

and again, youre the one who finds it shocking that someone can like both groups. clearly youre the one who wasnt cognizant and needed to get out more,

i know for a fact that they inherited that fanbase. im not trying to convince you about chit tho.
i just have a vested interest in making @JustCKing use his brain, no matter the topic. i really dont care whether you agree or not. i dont know why youre so hype.

outkast wasnt r&b-lite safe rap to you??
i already knew you were moist but lol.
why yall keep trying to act like SPCM was made in the same vein as say "187 he wrote" is beyond me.

Show me where I said nobody liked both groups. I said nobody ever MADE A COMPARISON between these two groups. Never said shyt about liking.

I also never said they were on some super gangsta hardcore Spice 1-esque shyt either. But they also weren't that shyt you're tryin' to lump them in with.

"I already knew you were moist"... my bad, guy who was bumpin' "Shoop", "Boom Shake The Room" and H-Town in '93. I probably wasn't as tough as you and your hardcore musical taste at the tender age of 8.

And this post here is a prime example of what I mean when I say you twist and bend shyt to make trash-ass talking points. Geek.

 

[JustCKing]

so instead of actually responding to the content of my post, you choose to type an essay worth of insults.
like i said, youre a dweeb.

doesnt matter how old i was. i was outside and cognizant. only a nerd ass nicca tries to focus on age like that. you aine even much older than me.

and again, youre the one who finds it shocking that someone can like both groups. clearly youre the one who wasnt cognizant and needed to get out more,

i know for a fact that they inherited that fanbase. im not trying to convince you about chit tho.
i just have a vested interest in making @JustCKing use his brain, no matter the topic. i really dont care whether you agree or not. i dont know why youre so hype.

outkast wasnt r&b-lite safe rap to you??
i already knew you were moist but lol.
why yall keep trying to act like SPCM was made in the same vein as say "187 he wrote" is beyond me.





my bad.
i meant to say adult contemporary.

well im talking about the verse, not the hook. maybe he changed the flow up or something if thats him on the verse(which you still havnt addressed). i dont know or give a f*ck about dude like that. im not a fan of these neggas. hes just an add-on.

Breh, you've already obliterated any credibility you might've had on this subject for years, but this thread in particular, you've really played yourself.

It doesn't matter who you thought was singing the hook. The fact that you got Sly Stone out of it (and you only did that to force the Arrested Development narrative), brings into question of whether Black music is a subject you should be discussing.

And don't put this agenda on me. You've been at this since the old board before I was ever even posting there.

And even if you meant Adult Contemporary, that crowd didn't cross paths with Hip Hop, which is why we never saw those artists collaborate with rappers in the way that Mary or R. Kelly would.

OutKast was no more R&B-safe than anybof their contemporaries during that period specifically throughout the 90's. Let's be real, just looking at 1994:

Warren G had "Regulate" featuring Nate Dogg which reimagined Michael McDonald's "I Keep Forgetting".

Biggie had "Juicy", which reimagined Mtume's "Juicy Fruit".

Method Man had "You're All I Need", which flipped Marvin and Tammy's classic.