OutKast v Tribe Called Quest Verzuz Coming Soon?!

[JustCKing]

He's right about the first bold point. You are incorrect about the 2nd bold point.

Who argues that Kast doesn't connect with fams outside of Hip Hop?

Kast fans and Arrested fans don't intersect? Case in point, there are fans who love Southern Hip Hop, but have never touched or would ever bring up Arrested Development in a discussion on Southern Hip Hop. Same can't be said for Kast. People who like Eightball & MJG and UGK also like Kast. Kast even has songs with them. Same cannot be said for Arrested.

The Fugees inherited Arrested's fan base. That group was like Arrested Development 2.0 right down to having one mega successful album and an album no one cared about (it just happened the other way around for The Fugees). They even remade oldies. Only difference is Lauryn, Clef, and Pras had solo success.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

New generation would turn verse off listen to this.



Nobody wants to hear this in 2020




This is what T.I was talking about with Busta and he got mad.



But outkast can put this on and every generation would enjoy

The vast majority of folks watching a Versuz between these two groups would be 35 and up. Kast ain’t got nothing for a song like Scenario. You make it seem like Scenario is this old ass song in comparison when in truth there’s only like a three year difference

 

[JustCKing]

This is why the whole "Kast inherited Arrested Development fan base" narrative is bogus, below are Kast's lyrics:

nikkas who tried to fukk with me
Get sprayed like Raid 'cause it ain't nothing to see

Many a nikka falling fast and I continue blasting, swiftly
They ain't gon' get me, got something fo' em

3-5-7 to your forehead, there'll be mo' dead
cause I'ma pro, kid
But Lord forgive me, I gots to keep my Milli right Be-near me
My nine be doing fine until these nikkas wants to clear me off my street
But in my hood hood, they hollering ghetto
Don't got no neighbors, they hit the pipe and never let go

^^^ Nothing vague about it and one of them is a single and there's plenty of other spread throughout that album.

Even at their most commercial album had "Gangsta Sh...", "Red Velvet", "Snappin & Trappin", "Gasoline Dreams", etc. They started off the second album with "2 Dope Boyz" and it also has songs like "Decatur Psalm". I could go on. Yet we are talking about they inherited the fan base of a group that was the antithesis of a lot of these songs and was far more of a safe, PC listen. You could put on Arrested Development for great grandma, grand ma, mom, dad, little eight year old brother all in the same room with no protest. You can't do that with a Kast album.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

He's right about the first bold point. You are incorrect about the 2nd bold point.

THANK YOU!!!

we know wassup.

these dudes wanna pretend that outkast is run dmc or NWA, wutang or somebody.

 

[JustCKing]

THANK YOU!!!

we know wassup.

these dudes wanna pretend that outkast is run dmc or NWA, wutang or somebody.

And see this is the stupid part of your argument. There are people who don't like Hip Hop, but loved Run DMC and NWA.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

This is why the whole "Kast inherited Arrested Development fan base" narrative is bogus, below are Kast's lyrics:

youre still under the impression that arrested development listeners are stuck in a one-lane bubble and dont enjoy other content. alot of their fans were also going crazy over dr dre & snoop doggy dogg. those little outkast bars you dropped are marshmellow soft in comparison.

AGAIN. the problem with you dudes who dont get it, is yall are stuck in a rippity-rap bubble, refuse to think outside of the box, and lack cognizance outside of rap forum logic.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

And see this is the stupid part of your argument. There are people who don't like Hip Hop, but loved Run DMC and NWA.

nah. im referring to their come-up, impact, etc.

yall like to pretend that outkast was this time-stopping, trail-blazing group that had the streets on smash, changed the rap game, etc etc etc

so when i bring up the obvious about them inheriting fanbases from groups like arrested development, of course you dudes dont want to hear that.
and im not even saying that was their only base. yall just dont want to hear that chit period.

outkast was more like a less-impactful/less-popular fugees.

whats funny is, tribe has alot of these same fans too. you dont see tribe fans complaining.
i was saying the difference is that outkast went a lil further in that lane than tribe. they made it bigger with that audience, moreso on the same level of an arrested development or a fugees. the pop crowd may not be tuning in, but those fans will be in attendance. and that could be a deciding factor. that was all i was saying. but of course, you got heated when i said that.

and i tagged you and a couple others whose names i could remember, because yall argued me down before, and this was the perfect time for yall to understand what i was saying.

 

[Woodrow]

Kast ain’t got nothing for a song like Scenario.

you’re joking, right?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

you’re joking, right?

Not at all. In a Versuz setting Kast ain’t got nothing that would get a bigger reaction than Scenario

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Who argues that Kast doesn't connect with fams outside of Hip Hop?

Kast fans and Arrested fans don't intersect? Case in point, there are fans who love Southern Hip Hop, but have never touched or would ever bring up Arrested Development in a discussion on Southern Hip Hop. Same can't be said for Kast. People who like Eightball & MJG and UGK also like Kast. Kast even has songs with them. Same cannot be said for Arrested.

The Fugees inherited Arrested's fan base. That group was like Arrested Development 2.0 right down to having one mega successful album and an album no one cared about (it just happened the other way around for The Fugees). They even remade oldies. Only difference is Lauryn, Clef, and Pras had solo success.

AGAIN, your failure to comprehend. and its frustrating because youre not stupid. you just dont want to comprehend anything that you argue against, and youre notorious for that on this board.

i never said that the arrested development fanbase was the ONLY fanbase that outkast had.
yes, outkast had a southern fanbase when they came out, but that arrested development money is the reason for the difference in sales. that along with Laface and the rap journalist/backpack crowd as well.

the chit aint rocket science at all.

and the fugees have an even longer reach than all of these groups mentioned. i dont know why the hell youre trying to box them in, but thats way off-topic.

Who argues that Kast doesn't connect with fams outside of Hip Hop?

you argued that.

go back and read the transcript.

albeit, you may have done that accidentally(youre emotional). thats why i didnt respond to it.

Not at all. In a Versuz setting Kast ain’t got nothing that would get a bigger reaction than Scenario

ms jackson maybe.

its not as legendary as scenario, but the benefits of era bias could shrinken the gap.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

AGAIN, your failure to comprehend. and its frustrating because youre not stupid. you just dont want to comprehend anything that you argue against, and youre notorious for that on this board.

i never said that the arrested development fanbase was the ONLY fanbase that outkast had.
yes, outkast had a southern fanbase when they came out, but that arrested development money is the reason for the difference in sales. that along with Laface and the rap journalist/backpack crowd as well.

the chit aint rocket science at all.

and the fugees have an even longer reach than all of these groups mentioned. i dont know why the hell youre trying to box them in, but thats way off-topic.





ms jackson maybe.

its not as legendary as scenario, but the benefits of era bias could shrinken the gap.

That’s a good point your right about that era bias. But i don’t think that really matters when it comes to the fan base who’ll be watching

 

[JustCKing]

youre still under the impression that arrested development listeners are stuck in a one-lane bubble and dont enjoy other content. alot of their fans also listened to gangsta rap, way harder than anything outkast ever did.

AGAIN. the problem with you dudes who dont get it, is yall are stuck in a rippity-rap bubble, refuse to think outside of the box, and lack cognizance outside of rap forum logic.

There is a huge difference between being a fan of a group while enjoying other content.

An example of not thinking outside of the box is your assessment of Kast because your whole critique of them is surface level and comes off as someone who never listened to a Kast record.

 

[JustCKing]

you argued that.

go back and read the transcript.

albeit, you may have done that accidentally(youre emotional). thats why i didnt respond to it.

I never argued that they didn't.

AGAIN, your failure to comprehend. and its frustrating because youre not stupid. you just dont want to comprehend anything that you argue against, and youre notorious for that on this board.

i never said that the arrested development fanbase was the ONLY fanbase that outkast had.
yes, outkast had a southern fanbase when they came out, but that arrested development money is the reason for the difference in sales. that along with Laface and the rap journalist/backpack crowd as well.

the chit aint rocket science at all.

and the fugees have an even longer reach than all of these groups mentioned. i dont know why the hell youre trying to box them in, but thats way off-topic.

Breh, Arrested Development had NOTHING to do with Kast selling records nor did La Face.

The back pack crowd never had sales to begin with. Arrested Development was an anomaly and they basically were more of a Southern version of ATCQ than Kast was.

And again LA Face is only relevant to Kast in name only. Kast and Goodie are the only La Face artists from that era that never had a Face/Reid production or writing on their albums. Toni, TLC, Usher, and pretty much every act on that label was groomed by Babyface and LA Reid. Again, you're throwing up bricks and nothing is hitting.

Rap journalists did not view Kast as backpack. This is way off base.

The Fugees didn't have longer reach. They sold all those records for the same reasons Arrested sold. One of the biggest single from both groups was a remake of an old classic. The difference is The Fugees had three of those as opposed to Arrested's one.

 

[JustCKing]

nah. im referring to their come-up, impact, etc.

yall like to pretend that outkast was this time-stopping, trail-blazing group that had the streets on smash, changed the rap game, etc etc etc

so when i bring up the obvious about them inheriting fanbases from groups like arrested development, of course you dudes dont want to hear that.
and im not even saying that was their only base. yall just dont want to hear that chit period.

outkast was more like a less-impactful/less-popular fugees.

whats funny is, tribe has alot of these same fans too. you dont see tribe fans complaining.
i was saying the difference is that outkast went a lil further in that lane than tribe. they made it bigger with that audience, moreso on the same level of an arrested development or a fugees. the pop crowd may not be tuning in, but those fans will be in attendance. and that could be a deciding factor. that was all i was saying. but of course, you got heated when i said that.

and i tagged you and a couple others whose names i could remember, because yall argued me down before, and this was the perfect time for yall to understand what i was saying.

Breh, nobody pretends anything. Kast were indeed trail blazers and yes they were huge. For you to sit there and say they didn't have the impact of a group that only had ONE successful album as group is ludicrous especially being Kast debuted the same year as The Fugees. Lauryn starred in Sister Act 2 around the time of that album and it still FLOPPED. The Fugees didn't blow until they re-interpreted old soul records from The Delfonics to Teena Marie to Roberta Flack.

No you brought that BS argument into this thread because you love to diss and downplay Kast. There was no need to introduce that garbage into this thread. Nobody was even arguing with you or disagreeing with you until you did your usual. You like arguing about Kast.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Beats, Rhymes, & Life is still a good album and it aged well. But it will probably never get love like that.