One more Chip, still 5 rings: Official 49ers 2016 Offseason Thread

[yseJ]

A proper OC like the 26 other teams that had a lower offensive ranking than Kelly's offenses had over the past 3 years?


The system made Nick Foles into a pro bowl caliber QB, so I don't see why you think it has to have a perfect QB. In fact, the system has been called QB proof. He doesn't require QBs to make extensive pre-snap reads, he doesn't require them to go through a ton of progressions. It's a pretty simple offense for a QB.

nick foles was an unknown quality his first year in the league, and so was chip. novelty shouldnt be understimated.
his offense from 2nd in yards to 5th in yards to 12th in yards year after year

chips system uses a good amount of pre-snap reads too

I dont question his system as a scheme in a vacuum. I think hes a good offensive coach. I question his stubbornness to not be flexible with the scheme

to quote a smart man,
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat

 

[calh45]

A proper OC like the 26 other teams that had a lower offensive ranking than Kelly's offenses had over the past 3 years?


The system made Nick Foles into a pro bowl caliber QB, so I don't see why you think it has to have a perfect QB. In fact, the system has been called QB proof. He doesn't require QBs to make extensive pre-snap reads, he doesn't require them to go through a ton of progressions. It's a pretty simple offense for a QB.

You really want me to keep pointing out the difference between playing the weak ass NFC east for 8 games a year vs playing the NFC west? I know you know enough about football to recognize that context has a lot to do with that performance. Just going by yards Dallas was the best defense in the NFC east and they wasn't even in the top 15 both AZ and Seattle were in the top 5. Going by points allowed per game, again Dallas was tops in the NFC east and weren't in the top 15, but AZ, Seattle (both top 10) AND St. Louis were ranked higher than the NFC east's top defense in points per game. It's even a bigger gap looking at rushing yards per game and passing yards per game is the only one that Dallas even ranks up with the NFC west (The rest of the NFC east is at the bottom). He was the tallest midget. That ain't nothing to brag about. Now he'll be facing proper coaches with talent to match.

2015 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN

 

[yseJ]

in fact, Id say adjusting to opponents is something that sets defensive coaches apart from a lot of offensive coaches. as a DC, you're basically forced to adjust to your opponent one way or the other unless you have a monster defense just smothering the opposition. a lot of offenses are 'we'll just impose our will' and when shyt doesnt go their way theyre basically stunned and lost

 

[calh45]

I think its not impossible to work but you really have to have near perfect personnel for your scheme and an elite HoF QB, like Pats with Brady or Saints back when they won it all. That varely rarely happens in the NFL.

and even then, will exploit weaknesses and matchups still. each time pats faced the colts in offs beli just power ran over them.

Functionally you can't disregard time of possession in the pros like you can in college. You can do that with a 115 man roster playing 10-14 games, but it simply can't be done with a 53 man roster over the course of a 16-20 game (including pre-season because it's needed now since OTA's are cut down drastically) season. He would need to adjust his entire setup to work on the professional level. His entire concept is faulty.

 

[King Kreole]

You really want me to keep pointing out the difference between playing the weak ass NFC east for 8 games a year vs playing the NFC west? I know you know enough about football to recognize that context has a lot to do with that performance. Just going by yards Dallas was the best defense in the NFC east and they wasn't even in the top 15 both AZ and Seattle were in the top 5. Going by points allowed per game, again Dallas was tops in the NFC east and weren't in the top 15, but AZ, Seattle (both top 10) AND St. Louis were ranked higher than the NFC east's top defense in points per game. It's even a bigger gap looking at rushing yards per game and passing yards per game is the only one that Dallas even ranks up with the NFC west (The rest of the NFC east is at the bottom). He was the tallest midget. That ain't nothing to brag about. Now he'll be facing proper coaches with talent to match.

2015 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Context matters, and the NFC East isn't the toughest the division in the league, but we're talking 30 games outside the NFC East. It's not like he's never gone up against good coaches. In fact, great coaches have gone to bat for him. Beli and Saban and Coughlin and Parcells have all had positive words about Chip.

 

[King Kreole]

Functionally you can't disregard time of possession in the pros like you can in college. You can do that with a 115 man roster playing 10-14 games, but it simply can't be done with a 53 man roster over the course of a 16-20 game (including pre-season because it's needed now since OTA's are cut down drastically) season. He would need to adjust his entire setup to work on the professional level. His entire concept is faulty.

Why? We already know that Chip's defenses perform better during the second half of the season than the first, so the argument that they get tired out is not supported by the facts.

 

[Jmare007]

Well we were killed by injuries. I agree with Marcus Martin, it boggles my mind how bad a player he is in the NFL, because he was a really good player at USC. But he could still develop into a competent backup he's only 22. But this year is flush with good free agents and we have some guys that could be something, we just need to upgrade at center and that solves half of the problem (we're gonna need to draft one this year the free agent class is beyond ass.) Otherwise we need to make sure Kilgore stays healthy since he's the only competent center we have on staff.

That's gonna be hard to do, that dude keeps getting hurt. We gotta get a better backup than Martin though, there's no way we can afford another year with that bust as the the n°2 option at that position

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

"In fact, a new rumor is making its way around the Bay Area that the 49ers’ decision to fire Tomsula crystallized the moment Kelly became available Dec. 29."

CHIP DA GAWD

With one suitor, Chip Kelly's 49ers choice a no-brainer

 

[yseJ]

That's gonna be hard to do, that dude keeps getting hurt. We gotta get a better backup than Martin though, there's no way we can afford another year with that bust as the the n°2 option at that position

cut that fukkboi, Id rather have a PS center than him. literally the worst linemen Ive ever seen, and its not even close

 

[calh45]

Why? We already know that Chip's defenses perform better during the second half of the season than the first, so the argument that they get tired out is not supported by the facts.

So they got better and still managed to finish in the bottom 3rd of league statistically which is still terrible. Also, they play other NFC east teams in the 2nd half of the year. That's heavy doses of Cousins, whomever the Cowboys back up is, and Eli who's play is schizophrenic. If they didn't play somewhat better it'd be sad.

We can just agree to disagree. I caught hell at the beginning of this year for saying Tomsula was gonna be terrible and I'm cool with being that dude saying Chip is gonna be wrong especially considering the other coaches in the NFC west. It'd be wonderful if he proves me wrong and he would need to change his setup drastically, but I don't think he will on either front.

 

[WaddupDoe!]

no DC is going to want to work with Chips offense. expect Billy Davis to be your DC.

 

[FaTaL]

no DC is going to want to work with Chips offense. expect Billy Davis to be your DC.

Now I hope mangini stays, at least the players have learned his system

 

[yseJ]

fukk it bring in Mike Nolan

he wont ever agree but Id take him over Mangini easily

 

[JLova]

fukk it bring in Mike Nolan

he wont ever agree but Id take him over Mangini easily

 

[FaTaL]

fukk it bring in Mike Nolan

he wont ever agree but Id take him over Mangini easily

How one decesion can change a persons future

He might actually still be the hc if he made the right choice