Once the Spurs core was broken up, Bron was supposed to go on an insane title run......

[Sccit]

And 1-8 in the Finals.. but it doesn’t diminish Jerry West cause he’s still a top 15 caliber guy,

ONLY IT DOES.... BECAUSE WITH 4 TITLES IN THOSE 9 APPEARANCES, JERRY WEST GETS ELEVATED TO TOP 10

ITS A HUGE FACTOR AND ONLY LEBRON GROUPIES ACT OTHERWISE

 

[Drunken187]

MJ guaranteed the best in his era no debate can’t say the same about the superteam chaser from Cleveland.

 

[MostReal]

Lol @ Steph happened. Dude with one finals MVP and is a target on defense.

KD joining a 73 win squad happened.

Love and Kyrie getting hurt in the 2015 finals leaving Matthew Delevadova as his next best teammate happened.

Bron should have won the 2015 finals MVP even in a loss

Sounds like you making excuses

 

[MostReal]

I think it's more of a "then Steph AND KD happened". People forget it took the Warriors 6 games to beat a decimated Cavs team, and they lost the following year in 2016 when Kyrie and Kevin Love were healthy. Without KD, the Steph run doesn't happen

The better hypothetical would be if KD stayed in OKC and you had 3 MVP caliber players on one roster (KD, Russ, Harden), have a Dynasty, and that would halt Lebron's title runs

People forget it took 7 games for the Cavs to beat a decimated front court Warriors team in 2016

 

[MostReal]

Kyrie was a number one pick and all star
Kevin love was a top 3 pf minimum and putting up numbers we hadn’t seen since wilt
Kevin love was traded for multiple number one picks, which included a guy curry won a championship with.
These are facts, debate those.
Debate the fact Houston had us all but eliminated until Chris Paul got hurt, but we were unstoppable because we put our foot up that Cavs super team ass huh?

They so mad that...

Steph happened

It brings joy to my heart

Op add this to the original post

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@ this retarded ass shyt

Lebron is the only ATG that spent nearly the first decade of their career playing with the likes of Boobie Gibson and Mo Williams. Outside of Wade/Bosh, and two seasons with Kyrie, most of the "high level talent" he played with was when he was passed his prime at an age when most legends retire.

Kobe, Steph, MJ, Duncan were all either drafted to teams with future HOFs already on there or their squad drafted a future HOF while they were early in their career.

This is unfair to Steph.

As great as Dray is/was and how integral he's been to their success, the role he plays is only possible because of Steph.

Dray wouldn't be as effective if he played with CP3 or Dame or Kyrie or any other elite PG, because his greatest asset on offense (playmaking) wouldn't be utilized to the same degree. The defensive attention that Steph receives allows Dray to work with an open floor wouldn't happen with another PG; the ability to have impact that's nonpareil without the ball allows Dray to be at his most effective with the ball in his hands.

Steph is 1 of 1 in that capacity.

He turns players into the best versions of themselves because he doesn't force them into playing a certain type of way that's restrictive to their ability.

We witnessed Wiggins play the most meaningful ball of his career in 2022, all because of Steph and how his style of play empowered him to be his best self.

 

[Ozymandeas]

........but Steph happened.

That wasn't in the cards for the NBA. It wasn't in the cards for Bron, either. He was supposed to go on a run to win AT LEAST 6 titles. He didn't expect Steph Curry to happen. When he went to watch Steph in person when he was at Davidson, it was on some "let me check out this novelty player. I didn't get to go see Jimmer, so I want to go see this lil' guy, Steph."


Fast forward 15+ yrs later, they have the same amount of titles.

I love it

Bron left Miami in 2014 thinking he was about to run it up in Cleveland.

Maybe in an alternate universe he does, ends up with 6 or 7 rings.

But in this one, Steph said FOH

 

[King Poetic]

He should have won in 2011. Choked in the 4th quarters of the series

Ray Allen saved him in 2013 with that brick shot.

Got humiliated by the spurs in 5 games and they blaming air conditioning in 2014

Probably could have won in 2015 but dudes was hurt

Thank the league for suspending green over that light shyt in 2016

Then KD just smoked they ass on some street ball shyt for 2 consecutive years

Lebron is a Great but he has no killer instinct and it has to take the media or a nikka like Kobe or Wade to slap him upside his head and tell him to go at nikkas

 

[murksiderock]

MJ guaranteed the best in his era no debate can’t say the same about the superteam chaser from Cleveland.

Nobody in Bron's era has:

•most championships;

•most championships as a #1;

•most Finals appearances;

•most Finals appearances as a #1;

•most MVPs;

•most Top 5 MVP finishes;

•most E/WCF appearances;

•most E/WCF appearances as a #1;

•most All-NBAs;

•most 1st Team All-NBAs;

•most All-Star appearances

LeBron is #1 in all the above categories, all of the metrics that validate historic greatness, since entering The League in 2003...

But it's "debatable" that he isn't the best player of his era

 

[mastermind]

Excuses Excuses

Up 3-1 means nothing, THEY LOST. Period

Being hampered by a nagging injury is not the same as Kyrie and Kevin Love COMPLETELY OUT OF THE SERIES in 2015 and not playing at all

The Thunder were up on the Warriors 3-1 and lost the series in the Western Conference Finals, does it mean the Thunder were the best team and should have won the title that season?

You can't have it both ways

 

[Da King]

The good ol’ days

 

[Remote]

I don’t like the idea of “supposed” as if it’s all some preordained thing in sports that any player or team is destined to achieve something.

Mainly because I find these assumptions to be weaponized according to convenience or to project a narrative.

 

[VegetasHairline]

Nobody in Bron's era has:

•most championships;

•most championships as a #1;

•most Finals appearances;

•most Finals appearances as a #1;

•most MVPs;

•most Top 5 MVP finishes;

•most E/WCF appearances;

•most E/WCF appearances as a #1;

•most All-NBAs;

•most 1st Team All-NBAs;

•most All-Star appearances

LeBron is #1 in all the above categories, all of the metrics that validate historic greatness, since entering The League in 2003...

But it's "debatable" that he isn't the best player of his era

Nobody in Bron's era has more Finals losses either.

 

[jdubnyce]

Op looks at his thread with the

You ain't slick

 

[Gotright]

Op be on some bull shyt