Once the Spurs core was broken up, Bron was supposed to go on an insane title run......
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Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
Yup
He’s had multiple paths to getting into the top tier of prolific champions
He was supposed to run off like 5-6 when he quit on the Cavs the first time to make the super team in MIA…but no one saw him choking in the Dallas finals and wade breaking down like he did…the Heat probably had the know-how and franchise infrastructure to rebuild and win more, but Bron wasn’t a Duncan/Curry/etc reliable franchise cornerstone type that you build a long term dynasty around because he always has one foot out the door for
Quit the Heat and got younger versions of the “all-nba guard and all-nba forward” Superteam template in Cleveland…but no one saw Steph becoming the next transcendent star in the league and Golden State being a dynasty
He quit the Cavs again to come to the GOAT franchise and gets paired with another in-prime all nba 1st Team team mate in AD…a lot of people saw AD and late 30s Bron having injuries, and they still managed to get a chip out the deal…then almost implausibly he gets ANOTHER go of it with Luka
Realistically considering the highest level talent he’s played with and supposing to be the GOAT, he could easily have 8 chips
Shaq Kobe Lakers needed a giant comeback in the WCF in 00. They needed refs and horrys impossible shot in 02 WCF. But they get talked about like a juggernautIt’s hilarious how people act like the warriors with kd was unstoppable, when Houston had us on the ropes. It’s just because we put the beats on LeBron that this narrative continues
blackestofpanthers
God forgives, you are forgiven.
No mention of iggy and bogut getting hurt in 2016, plus Draymond suspension. Funny how yall love these one sided narratives that only benefit LeBron.
murksiderock
Superstar
"Known loser"6 finals losses, swept more than a few times and all time turnover leader. Bron a known loser, bad father and compulsive liar. What’s the story here?
playoff records of Top 15 players in NBA history:Russell 27-2 (.931)
Steph 24-5 (.828)
Mike 30-7 (.811)
Magic 32-8 (.800)
Kobe 33-10 (.767)
Kareem 37-12 (.755)
LeBron 41-14 (.745)
Duncan 35-13 (.729)
Bird 23-9 (.719)
Shaq 32-13 (.711)
Durant 22-11 (.667)
Wilt 18-11 (.621)
Jokic 9-6 (.600)
West 16-12 (.571)
Hakeem 16-13 (.552)
Let's start with the fact that Bron has the most playoff series wins in league history, by 4. Besides that:
•thru equivalent series with Russell and Steph (29), Bron was 22-7. This was Bron after 2014 ECF, so Y11, compared to 13 years of work for Russell and now 16 years for Steph, but these are the two who won more earlier because they had stacked teams;
•thru equivalent series with Mike (37), Bron was 28-9, two series off. That was after 2016 ECF, so this is Bron in 13 years equal to Mike's 13 years in Chicago;
•thru equivalent series with Magic (40), Bron was one off, 31-9. This was after Rd2 2017, Y14, so essentially same recird as Magic in just one year more than Magic's 13 seasons;
•thru equivalent series with Kobe (43), he was also 33-10. This was after Rd1 2018, Y15, with an equal career record to Kobe's 20 years, so longevity didn't get him that;
•thru equivalent series with Kareem (49), he was 38-11, so more winning than him. This was after WCF 2020, Y17, more playoff wins than Kareem in 20 years...
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Your playoff record gets worse the more you play. Not better, but saying a guy who has 3x more playoff wins than L's is a known loser is wild
clearly you a ring counter but if you going that route the rings that count the most are how many you won as a #1:8 rings as a #1
Russell
6 rings as a #1
Mike
4 rings as a #1
LeBron, Duncan
3 rings as a #1
Shaq, Magic, Bird, Kareem
2 rings as a #1
Steph, Durant, Kobe, Hakeem, Wilt
1 ring as a #1
Jokic
Have the most playoff wins ever, second most Finals appearances ever, and t-3rd most chips as a #1 ever, and be considered a "Known loser", brehs
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VegetasHairline
Veteran
You conveniently left out having the most NBA Finals losses."Known loser"
Russell 27-2 (.931)
Steph 24-5 (.828)
Mike 30-7 (.811)
Magic 32-8 (.800)
Kobe 33-10 (.767)
Kareem 37-12 (.755)
LeBron 41-14 (.745)
Duncan 35-13 (.729)
Bird 23-9 (.719)
Shaq 32-13 (.711)
Durant 22-11 (.667)
Wilt 18-11 (.621)
Jokic 9-6 (.600)
West 16-12 (.571)
Hakeem 16-13 (.552)
Let's start with the fact that Bron has the most playoff series wins in league history, by 4. Besides that:
•thru equivalent series with Russell and Steph (29), Bron was 22-7. This was Bron after 2014 ECF, so Y11, compared to 13 years of work for Russell and now 16 years for Steph, but these are the two who won more earlier because they had stacked teams;
•thru equivalent series with Mike (37), Bron was 28-9, two series off. That was after 2016 ECF, so this is Bron in 13 years equal to Mike's 13 years in Chicago;
•thru equivalent series with Magic (40), Bron was one off, 31-9. This was after Rd2 2017, Y14, so essentially same recird as Magic in just one year more than Magic's 13 seasons;
•thru equivalent series with Kobe (43), he was also 33-10. This was after Rd1 2018, Y15, with an equal career record to Kobe's 20 years, so longevity didn't get him that;
•thru equivalent series with Kareem (49), he was 38-11, so more winning than him. This was after WCF 2020, Y17, more playoff wins than Kareem in 20 years...
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Your playoff record gets worse the more you play. Not better, but saying a guy who has 3x more playoff wins than L's is a known loser is wild
8 rings as a #1
Russell
6 rings as a #1
Mike
4 rings as a #1
LeBron, Duncan
3 rings as a #1
Shaq, Magic, Bird, Kareem
2 rings as a #1
Steph, Durant, Kobe, Hakeem, Wilt
1 ring as a #1
Jokic
Have the most playoff wins ever, second most Finals appearances ever, and t-3rd most chips as a #1 ever, and be considered a "Known loser", brehs
With all respect to Bogut Kyrie and and Love getting hurt would be like if Klay and Draymond got hurt. Just like KD and Klay getting hurt is the reason they lost to the Raptors. And yes the Draymond suspension impacted things but it was 1 game and they were up 3-1 , still had 2 more games with Draymond so no there isn’t a comparison there either.
murksiderock
Superstar
The only year he has something left on the table, thru his own volition, is 2011. If the rest of his career plays out exactly the same but he's better in '11, he's maxed out at 5, tops. There isn't really a scenario he gets to more than that unless no new challengers arise---->which isn't realistic. There's always someone who is next up and challenging the throne...
murksiderock
Superstar
You get there that many times with an inferior squad, it happens...You conveniently left out having the most NBA Finals losses.
Bron is the greatest floor raiser in NBA history and it's not even close. You guys view getting to The Finals and losing as a demerit but don't view losing in earlier rounds the same way, which is incredulous. Not a single other player repeatedly took inferior teams on habitual deep playoff runs...
Mike with Russell's Celtics, Mike's Bulls, Steph's Warriors, Duncan's Spurs, with Kareem or Magic, or with Kobe or Shaq, wins at minimum the same titles all those guys won, and most likely, more than anybody besides Russell (11 is a high ass number)...
VegetasHairline
Veteran
LeExcuses
Draymond got suspended due to an accumulation of techs.. it wasn’t some 1 off of “hey he should be suspended” he had a repeated history THAT POSTSEASON of hitting people in the nuts and kicking them
Why do people continue to not mention this
Jerry West?You conveniently left out having the most NBA Finals losses.
Jesus man can’t even be right on that point either can you.. this basketball talk ain’t for you
And you got dapped up by that dumbass @blackestofpanthers
VegetasHairline
Veteran
And 1-8 in the Finals.. but it doesn’t diminish Jerry West cause he’s still a top 15 caliber guy, same applies to LeBron and him going to the Finals 10 timesThey're tied at 33 but go ahead and argue semantics.
Smart NBA fans know this, while dumb ones dont
Guess which one you are
