On Some Str8 Spittin: '90s Rappers vs. '00s Rappers
- Thread starter Wacky D
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youre putting too much food on my plate.
I didn't say their verses meant nothing. I'm saying that their verses didn't move the needle for these records.
theres a reason why sheek & jada get lukewarm reactions when they perform benjamins in comparison to inferior rappers like diddy & lil kim. those were the verses that moved the needle, along with biggie. they could've replaced the lox on benjamins & honey with a group like say the sporty theivz.
and no, I'm not saying that the sporty theivz are on the lox level at all, but they were serviceable enough. and chit, i'd bet they could've sold more records on their debut than the LOX if "cheapskate" & "no pigeons" were pushed by puff and had that bad boy machine & late '90s cosign.
dat jada bar we stack chips like Hebrews line is hard as fukk & one of the most memorable in a all time classics song with many many many memorable lines
MooseMouthMthafuga
Veteran
Nah.....that's like saying checkers>>>>chess
Maybe to a juvenile mind
Maybe to a juvenile mind
spliz
SplizThaDon
I'm not even responding anymore bruh. I'mma just let nikkas believe what they wanna believe. We broke this shyt down a million different ways.
dat jada bar we stack chips like Hebrews line is hard as fukk & one of the most memorable in a all time classics song with many many many memorable lines
breh
sales = impact only worke in the case of new-debut artist / independent label
for instance .... illmatic impact was enormous but as u know it was gold & didnt go plat till a decade later ((because nas was a new artist))
the Lox are total opposite - going plat off bad boy made them establish artist - so it makes zero sense for u to say anything thereafter was more impact if they didnt reach MPR sales
BTW
JADAKISS
Title: KISS OF DEATH
Certification Date: March 11, 2005
Label: INTERSCOPE
Format: ALBUM
JADAKISS
Title: KISS THA GAME GOODBYE
Certification Date: September 21, 2001
Label: RUFF RYDERS / INTERSCOPE
Format: ALBUM
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
So the 2000's can't have the L.O.X., Fabolous, Cam'ron on their roster...Some of the greatest rapping of all time took place in the 90s though.
Prodigy - the GOAT - peaked in 96 with HOE.
Nas was at his peak from 94-96. The second greatest rapper of all time.
Wu had Deck, Ghost, Meth, GZA, Rae. All elite spitters in the 90s.
Biggie
Jay was at his peak in 96 with Reasonable Doubt.
Let's go to the South. Dre peaked on ATLiens in 96. You could argue Aquemini - but you wouldn't argue Stankonia or beyond.
Bun B was a Monster on Riding Dirty.
Scarface was killing shyt throughout the 90s.
In the 2000s you got Laffy Taffy and Souja Boy
Out west you had Cube and Pac.
In the 2000s you had what? Game?
I need to see a list of elite 2000s spitters or I'll consider this case closed
But Kool G Rap is a 90's rapper...
Cube is a 90's rapper...
Jay is a 90's rapper...
Scarface is a 90's rapper...
K-Rino is a 90's rapper...
Bun B is a 90's rapper...
I'm using y'all logic here...
Somebody said Kool G Rap, a guy who was in the Juice Crew and on the Symphony in '87, rapping as early as '86 singles and demos out. Dropped his debut with DJ Polo in '89...
Ice Cube, we know his N.W.A. material, he wrote Boys N Tha Hood in '87, N.W.A. dropped their debut EP in '87 debut album in '88. Cube was active since '84 with C.I.A. his first group.
Scarface was on Geto Boys albums in the 80's, a 5 Mic album at that.
K-Rino (I know you didn't mention him, but Ruler did
) has multiple albums released in the 80's has work out as early as 1983.Jay is on Jaz-O songs in the 80's, has freestyle footage from the 80's, was an opening act for Big Daddy Kane in the 80's. Is he an 80's rapper? Shyt, if y'all claiming Fab.
Gangstarr established in '87, debut dropped in '89.
This thread is about pure spitting, breh. I'm not sure why you mention Laffy Taffy and Soulja Boy when the South had spitters. T.I., Pusha T, Lil Wayne, Phonte, Ludacris, Rick Ross, Chamillionaire, Jay Electronica, etc.
Do you really think '96 Bun B is outrapping '06 Lil Wayne. Pure spit, in a cypher setting?
Do you think Raekwon is seeing Joe Budden in a cypher setting. Word play, line for line, pure spit for real.
Fab is taking down a lot of these 90's rappers...
DON'T FRONT SON
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@ the bolded. nostalgia is indeed the key word for you breh. youre a bit blinded by it.
well I guess you've never watched "open court", because its the exact opposite of a show for analysts & journalists. its a PLAYERS SHOW. everybody that appears on that roundtable sans ernie Johnson, is an nba legend.so youre telling me that the players who were actually on the court in the '90s, weren't there but you were?
Iverson was HUGE before the Jordan crossover.
kobe Bryant winning a forgotten dunk contest with a dunk that was better-perfected by someone else just a couple years prior, is kobe's greatest moment to you? they even got rid of the dunk contest and didn't even have one the following year.
I think youre still missing the point. maybe you didn't read the posts where we broke it down more clearly before you typed this. nobody is erasing what they did in the '90s. but their main legacy is in the 2000s. I mean, if we're talking about great NCAA guards of the '90s, then of course Iverson is gonna come up. but if we're talking nba, these guys are considered 2000s stars. THEY ONLY PLAYED 2 1/2 SEASONS OF 1990S NBA BASKETBALL!!!!!! Iverson didn't reach the playoffs until 2000. kobe wasn't even a starter until when? '99 at the earliest? and that was the strike season.
the same could be said for the lox & cam. and I'm gonna tag @Atsym Sknyfs and @spliz for this too:
college years = underground warlox & c.o.c. tapes
'97-98 rookie/soph campaigns = the lox on bad boy & Camron making that harlem world-lite album
'99 nba strike year/shortened season = Camron album pushed back & the FREE THE LOX campaign
and how would jay be a 2000s rapper when his biggest run that also made him a household star was in '98-99? if youre basing it off of his celebrity status, then chit, hes bigger now in the 2010s than he ever was.
Kobe was on Moesha nikka
Yall doin these gymnastics to claim 90's rappers as 2000s rappers....the logic is so damn ridiculous you damn right I can't follow
Matter of fact that whole basketball analogy is bad more that I think about it....we not arguing which era these nikkas would be considered....I would consider 2000's to be Fabolous era too.
But you started the argument 2000's rappers were the rawest spitters....these rappers like Fab,Cam,Jada,Crooked I they pedigree is that of 90's niggs
....which is why they debut is important for this thread....the reason they rhyme like they rhyme is because of the peer group they came up in...90's steel sharpen these nikkas spitting ability not 2000's....unless u can prove these nikkas had to evolve lyrically to compete in the 00's,y'all have no point.
Atsym Sknyfs
Superstar
@ISO and @Wacky D .. I understand what y'all saying and I agree to a point.... that point being rhymes said .... the problem we are all having here is who's saying the rhymes ... like I said before the thread is 90s rappers vs 00s rappers NOT 90s verses/hook/song structure vs 00s.... that's the problem..
the era they had their biggest impact in most of life is not usually the era you started but you still are from the era you started... I been working since 96 .. my biggest impact is now but I'm not a 10s worker ... DAMN that's a bad analogy
I can give you the LOX, Cam and fab all blowing up in the 00s... you can have it take it run with it.. but I cant give you they a 00 rapper.. It's like Barry Bonds... nobody knew who he was on while with Pittsburgh but everybody knows the SF HR king...
and to me cube, LL, De La, Tribe G Rap, Masta Ace .. they are 80s rappers.. they just evolved and stood the test of time even in 2016.. Masta Ace is an 80s rapper that's why they say he been in the game 30 years (since juice crew) not 20 (disposable arts/impact)
Its like I also said before the problem is also the way music is released today.... there is no studying or grinding.. early 90s artists been in the game since mid-late 80s.. early 00 artists been since 90s.. these 2010 rappers been grinding what a week or 2 and start complaining or record a tape tonight and put it on datpiff or youtube tomorrow .. that understudy of the rap game is gone so for you the logic of when you impact being where you from is what you see....
I spent 4-5 years from 91-96/97 grinding but starting rapping in 87 before that I was a DJ.. it didn't pan out and it is what it is.. but I'm a 80s rapper with a 90s flow..
the era they had their biggest impact in most of life is not usually the era you started but you still are from the era you started... I been working since 96 .. my biggest impact is now but I'm not a 10s worker ... DAMN that's a bad analogy
I can give you the LOX, Cam and fab all blowing up in the 00s... you can have it take it run with it.. but I cant give you they a 00 rapper.. It's like Barry Bonds... nobody knew who he was on while with Pittsburgh but everybody knows the SF HR king...
and to me cube, LL, De La, Tribe G Rap, Masta Ace .. they are 80s rappers.. they just evolved and stood the test of time even in 2016.. Masta Ace is an 80s rapper that's why they say he been in the game 30 years (since juice crew) not 20 (disposable arts/impact)
Its like I also said before the problem is also the way music is released today.... there is no studying or grinding.. early 90s artists been in the game since mid-late 80s.. early 00 artists been since 90s.. these 2010 rappers been grinding what a week or 2 and start complaining or record a tape tonight and put it on datpiff or youtube tomorrow .. that understudy of the rap game is gone so for you the logic of when you impact being where you from is what you see....
I spent 4-5 years from 91-96/97 grinding but starting rapping in 87 before that I was a DJ.. it didn't pan out and it is what it is.. but I'm a 80s rapper with a 90s flow..
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FruitOfTheVale
Superstar
Some of the greatest rapping of all time took place in the 90s though.
Prodigy - the GOAT - peaked in 96 with HOE.
Nas was at his peak from 94-96. The second greatest rapper of all time.
Wu had Deck, Ghost, Meth, GZA, Rae. All elite spitters in the 90s.
Biggie
Jay was at his peak in 96 with Reasonable Doubt.
Let's go to the South. Dre peaked on ATLiens in 96. You could argue Aquemini - but you wouldn't argue Stankonia or beyond.
Bun B was a Monster on Riding Dirty.
Scarface was killing shyt throughout the 90s.
In the 2000s you got Laffy Taffy and Souja Boy
Out west you had Cube and Pac.
In the 2000s you had what? Game?
I need to see a list of elite 2000s spitters or I'll consider this case closed
Not saying I disagree with you but there were quite a few spitters in the 2000s.
Jacka
Phonte
Killer Mike
Elzhi
One Be Lo
Z-Ro
Murs
Mitchy Slick
Lupe Fiasco
And yeah a couple of them came out the gate in the late 90s, doesn't change that they reached their peak in the 2000s.
dat jada bar we stack chips like Hebrews line is hard as fukk & one of the most memorable in a all time classics song with many many many memorable lines
from a rap fan's perspective sure.
but if you think that's why that song was such a huge crossover hit, then I don't know what to tell you.
half the people in the world that go crazy over that record, don't even know who jadakiss is.
breh
sales = impact only worke in the case of new-debut artist / independent label
for instance .... illmatic impact was enormous but as u know it was gold & didnt go plat till a decade later ((because nas was a new artist))
the Lox are total opposite - going plat off bad boy made them establish artist - so it makes zero sense for u to say anything thereafter was more impact if they didnt reach MPR sales
BTW
JADAKISS
Title: KISS THA GAME GOODBYE
Certification Date: September 21, 2001
Label: RUFF RYDERS / INTERSCOPE
Format: ALBUM
no that's not how it works. things sell & don't sell for different reasons.
the lox MPR album was apart of bad boy's shiney suit era run. anything less than platinum really wasn't possible. meanwhile, "we are the streets" is exactly what the title was about. and you couldn't go anywhere without hearing that album that year, if you from the east coast and you were in the hood. not to mention all the emcees that were birthed from that tape. but let you tell it, an album that came & went in '98 had more impact.
and I guess you think I'm stupid. you pull up a gold certification listed under September 2001 for an album that came up just a month beforehand. so youre trying to tell me that the album went gold in a month but couldn't ship another 500,000 in 15 years. man you cool and all but don't insult my intelligence. and I remember jada going plat or shipping it off the debut.
Kobe was on Moesha nikka
yea
I'm sure theyre gonna include that in the video package at his hall of fame ceremony.
barry bonds was one of the biggest names & best players in baseball when he was on Pittsburgh. I think he even won the NL MVP.
as for the 2nd comment, I'm no new jack breh. ive been a rap fan since the '80s.
Don't let him switch up the argument,the era they had impact in is irrelevant in this convo....The thread is about who had the best spitters....cats like Fab,Cam,Crooked I,Jada etc had bars like had so they could compete in the 90's era....they pedigree is what it is because of them coming out in the 90's so how the he'll they tryna give these nikkas to the 2000's....the reason they are "SPITTAS'' which is what this thread is about,was due to the peer group they were in,which was the 90's
....I see yall being humble tryna give them a few tokens from the 90's....fukk that,they need to come up with they own list of 2000's nikkas,should be plenty right?Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
Michael Jackson has been a household name since the '60s. theres really no comparison. also, his peak depends on perspective. he made most of his money in the '80s but most of his o.g.fanbase wasn't big on albums like thriller & Bad.
and lets keep it there. people like jadakiss & Camron are kinda like household names in urban environments. for people that's in the know on these things, be honest, when did the types of older people that don't really follow rap, become familiar with names like jadakiss or dipset?
Nikkas really arguing that rappers who debuted in the 90s are 2000s rappers. Nas had one of his most successful albums in the 2000s. It's who's decade had better sputters. that means nikkas who kame out in the 90s vs Nikkas who kame out in the 2000s. How Nikkas who kame out in the 90s get brought into the 00s because of their success? I thought we was arguing about decades lyricism not who's decade had more successful albums. MJ wasnt big with the Jacksons like he was with thriller. Thriller sold over 100 million albums and bad sold 45 million. He didn't become a household name untill then. He was extremely popular but he went to another planet in the 80s. If you consider cam and Jada 00s rappers then MJ is a 80s singer and whitney is a 90s singer since her peak was that decade. Cam and lox do not count as 00s spitters they came out in the 90s. Nikkas like Lupe etc are 00s rappers, they kame out in the 00s dumb Nikka. So dumb nikka, are we arguing about lyricism or which decade these Nikkas was more popular? I think you nikkas is just young and don't remember these nikkas when they started, only in the 00s.
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