Official UFC 165 Thread: Jones vs. Gustafsson

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Doesn't mean much but I still think Gus won

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I wouldn't have been able to handle a jones defeat after what happened to Silva.

I'm glad he suffered through the foot injury and gave G that work. I do have respect for gustafasson though... He's showing that boxing is still a top skill to have.

If jons was as good of a boxer the fight wouldn't have been close.... sure G took him down, but no one in their right mind could ever imagine him getting actually submitted by gust
 

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Toney never took MMA serious, and MERCER WAS 50, and THEY NEVER TRAINED WITH NOBODY REMOTELY CLOSE TO A PHIL DAVIS OR SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING
plus how did Mercer fail when he knocked out a much younger Tim Slyvia in seconds, yeah he lost to Kimbo, who was a guy off the street, which proves how much of a joke MMA is. Mercer knocks out Former UFC champ, but he loses to a guy of the street who has just as much MMA experience as he has, onl difference was Bas Ruten was giving Kimbo instructions and Mercer had nobody

an all state wrestler in what? High School, I respect the wrestling Pedigree of Brock Lesnar and nikka was at the top, we talking about pro fighting here
rampage did not excel at wrestling, BJJ, or boxing, he did he alright for himself, such is the case with a lot of guys like fukking Schaub
It only took Jones 2 years to learn MMA

The reason why I'm going so ham is because dude is pathetic with his hand, he got his dukes up like Rock'em Sock'em Robots
and that thing he does with his hand to try to cover his chin is just disgusting to watch, i mean it was effect against the shorter fighters when he'd extend one harm, cover his chin with the other hand while he retreating, but thats like when put your hand on top of your little brother's head while he tries to swing at you

Jon Jones is in a sport where he has to do everything. Regardless he still won the fight. If he was in there with a top boxer. Someone whos hands outclasses his, their grappling probably does not outclass his which is when they will be taken down and submitted or pounded while they're on their back. This is MMA, not boxing. Jon Jones does not have the hands of a professional boxer but hes strong enough Everywhere and physical dominant enough to put it together well. These are the qualities of champions. You dont see a flabby n sick champions and if you do, they wont be the champ long.

You Kimbo Slice comment, I dont think that proves how much of a joke MMA is. If anything it legitimizes it. It shows that when you bring a fighter into his weakness and in the case of the Kimbo fight, that was grappling, its a whole different ball game. Im sure Ray was working takdown defense but obviously, when you're not used to it, its difficult to defend. In Mercer vs Sylvia, Sylvia stood in front of a boxer trying to prove a point and felt the hand of god.

Jon Jones another man with a good wrestling base. Some people are just freaks of nature and catch onto disciplines faster than others and it has everything to do with being able to do everything well while others are only able to do some things well. Not everyone has these gifts and being a boxer doesnt give you a special inate ability to become a great grappler just like being a great grappler does not give you an inate ability to be a good striker. There are plently of dudes that are nice on the mat but cant put it together in the Octogon when facing people that are good at everything. By age 18 Tyson was already considered a future heavy weight champion by the way he was wrecking everyone.

I get it though. Cats like you wont be satisfied with any pro boxer getting in the ring unless his name is Floyd Mayweather, Manny Paquioa or some other cat in the top ten. You're convinced boxing is the best and cant give respect where its due. It is what it is. :manny:
mogli post is the truth...



Also, don't let a rematch happen. Jones isn't just a fighter... you can tell what separates artist like him.... he will be working on boxing by mid October 2013. I feel sry for whoever he faces next, especially if it's Gust rematch because he will submit him in the 3rd. mark these words.
 

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Watch it. Then read the play by play ... then watch it again. Not hard to score, Jones clearly won.

Round 1: Gustafsson
Round 2: Gustafsson - Could go either way but Gustafsson was checking Jones kicks and landing good shots
Round 3: Gustafsson

Round 4 and 5 to Jones
 

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mogli post is the truth...



Also, don't let a rematch happen. Jones isn't just a fighter... you can tell what separates artist like him.... he will be working on boxing by mid October 2013. I feel sry for whoever he faces next, especially if it's Gust rematch because he will submit him in the 3rd. mark these words.


I think this was probably the best thing for Jones. Him running through the LHW division like a hot knife through butter was great but he's shown real holes in his striking defense and his boxing(though he's shown good toughness and a sturdy chin). Greg Jackson's team has a lot to work on.
 

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Jones lost the first 3 rounds. The 4th was his and maybe the 5th. Alex won imo
Watch the first 3 rounds again, how much of your opinion is based on your amazement of what gus can do/jones isnt doin.And how much of your opinion is based on the actual fight? Its like because gus stuffed all jones's takedowns and was more crisp with strikes (to the face) that swayed opinions.At best it was 2-1 for gus and the last 2 rounds were clearly jones
 
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I think this was probably the best thing for Jones. Him running through the LHW division like a hot knife through butter was great but he's shown real holes in his striking defense and his boxing(though he's shown good toughness and a sturdy chin). Greg Jackson's team has a lot to work on.
its amazing reading this cuz anybody that watched the gusmao fight cud see striking wasnt his forte, hes managed to wing thus far against shorter oponents but not last night
 

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Nah..Gus won the first 3 round. Jon got boxed up quite a bit. May not have been huge shots but solid shots win rounds.

Good post. I really thought round 3 was the deciding round. Jones obviously won rounds 4 and 5, and I gave the first 2 rounds to Gus.

Round 3 I had going for Gus but I could see how Jones stole it in the last minute or so. When round 3 was over I honestly couldn't decide who took it. I need to watch the fight again.

Agree or not with the "beat the champ to be the champ" but I tend to side with it, and I don't really have a problem with Jones winning. It was a close fight that I could see going either way. I definitely want to see a rematch, and I think Jones got exposed a little bit. That spinning back elbow in the 4th was a game changer. That shifted the momentum big time.
 

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Anyone have the last 2 rounds?

1st and 3rd rounds were close to call, but 2nd was pretty clearly Jones imo. In general Jones had "octagon control" for whatever that's worth. Heavy spamming of the front leg kick.

Gus is impressive in that he didn't get taken down, but he wasn't outright winning the standup imo (haven't seen 4th or 5th rounds though).

Not surprised at Jones mediocre boxing, but I am surprised he couldn't take Gus down.
was i imagining jones in gus's guard in the 5th? :why:
 

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Good post. I really thought round 3 was the deciding round. Jones obviously won rounds 4 and 5, and I gave the first 2 rounds to Gus.

Round 3 I had going for Gus but I could see how Jones stole it in the last minute or so. When round 3 was over I honestly couldn't decide who took it. I need to watch the fight again.

Agree or not with the "beat the champ to be the champ" but I tend to side with it, and I don't really have a problem with Jones winning. It was a close fight that I could see going either way. I definitely want to see a rematch, and I think Jones got exposed a little bit. That spinning back elbow in the 4th was a game changer. That shifted the momentum big time.
Was it his poor striking defensive? his inability to TD gus? or was it his inability to stuff gus's TD 2x.With gus's size and all the cries from jones's detractors that he only got this far due to size? I would say yeah he got exposed and validated all the naysayers criticism
 

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how come jones didnt mention his after fight party location?

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Anderson lost in pride because his BJJ sucked and that shyt was luck by Ryo Chonan, other guy who submitted was true victory
Jackson beats Wandy 3 years after he lost to him, Wandy is only 2 years older than rampage, stop it man
Shogun and him were juicing, so was Crocop, them dudes wasn't shyt when Pride folded and we all know they didn't test in pride

Also Jon Jones would beat Rampage at any age at any time period, he's bigger stronger and faster.
Rampage was never a skilled fighter EVER

I can tell your an UFC goofball and not a tru mma fan, by a response like this. AGE has nothing to do with bein in their prime, take a Randy couture for example. some fighters hit their stride early, some hit it late. The Cro Cop/wandy/shogun that the UFC got was the left overs from the many WARS of pride. Pls stop talking about what went on in Pride cuz you didn't watch dem live, your reading about it now on online. Those were wars, battles, not out pointing clinics that ufc tends to have so often now.

And your comment about juicing means nothing. So what if a guy juiced, 90% of dem UFC guys are juicing, what you think TRT is? Getting knocked out is gettin knocked out, it gonna hurt either way.

Also in Pride, in open weight tournments, Jones would be forced to fight guys bigger than him for a chance, no hiding behind that reach as we saw tonight without that reach Jones is a bloody mess.

Rampage in Pride is picking up Jones and carrying him around the ring and dropping his ass on the ground. UFC Rampage aint never used his wrestling cuz he's knees were shot. Pride Shogun is soccer kicking the fukk outta ne dudes. How many knee surgeries has Shogun had since he came into UFC 3, 4. All UFC is now to the old fighters is a pension plan. A last chance to make sum quick bucks before they retired and do the media tour. As the money was this nice back in the days.
 

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Was it his poor striking defensive? his inability to TD gus? or was it his inability to stuff gus's TD 2x.With gus's size and all the cries from jones's detractors that he only got this far due to size? I would say yeah he got exposed and validated all the naysayers criticism

Personally what surprised me the most was Jones difficulty last night finishing and defending takedowns. He really used that as a talking point before the fight, about how Gus wasn't prepared for that level of wrestling. I actually thought Jones was doing to get Gus to the floor and submit with some type of head and arm choke like a darce/brabo, guillotine, or even an an arm triangle. I wasn't expecting Jones to have trouble taking Gus down, and I definitely wasn't expecting Jones to get taken down.
 
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