Official UFC 165 Thread: Jones vs. Gustafsson

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Gus Clearly won round 1
Jones won rounds 2,4,5
and he stole round 3 from Gus

Thats how I had it watching live, Jones got that 2nd round when Gus was dancing too much and his corner told em to stop backin up.

i can also a situation where that 1 judge may have given Jones a 10-8 round for the 4th thus giving the 49 score that we seeing.

 

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Personally what surprised me the most was Jones difficulty last night finishing and defending takedowns. He really used that as a talking point before the fight, about how Gus wasn't prepared for that level of wrestling. I actually thought Jones was doing to get Gus to the floor and submit with some type of head and arm choke like a darce/brabo, guillotine, or even an an arm triangle. I wasn't expecting Jones to have trouble taking Gus down, and I definitely wasn't expecting Jones to get taken down.

Yeah that was the biggest shocker, that Jones wasn't able to drag Gus down. But after seeing how Gus was stuffing him, and how easy Gus got back up the 1 time he went down, he clearly looked like Gus was just physically stronger than Jones. A lot of those stuffs were jus arm strengeth and underhooks and jus throwing Jones off. I've never seen a fight where Jones looked so weak, and his punches were doing nothing to Gus and it seemed in the early 4th he realized this, and started throwing elbows. Besides that spinning elbow, he started throwing elbow jabs a lot more, you do that as a figher when you realize the other guy is quicker to the jab than you, and your punches are hurting em.

 

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steroids are a hell of a drug, those type of fights in pride have no place in the usa. im surprised nobody died

After those wars, I'm surprised some of those guys are even still fighting man. Like going back watching sum of my all time fav pride fights, im cringing in dem brutal knock downs and dudes were gettin back up and knockin out the dude after. Ref's gave no shyts about a dude gettin knocked or soccered kicked. In UFC after a kick for a knock down refs are diving in stopping the fight instantly.

 

[FaTaL]

After those wars, I'm surprised some of those guys are even still fighting man. Like going back watching sum of my all time fav pride fights, im cringing in dem brutal knock downs and dudes were gettin back up and knockin out the dude after. Ref's gave no shyts about a dude gettin knocked or soccered kicked. In UFC after a kick for a knock down refs are diving in stopping the fight instantly.

you have to remember mma almost died in the usa, you cant have fights like that.

also in pride there was rumors that the yakuza was running that shyt

 

[Roman Brady]

Personally what surprised me the most was Jones difficulty last night finishing and defending takedowns. He really used that as a talking point before the fight, about how Gus wasn't prepared for that level of wrestling. I actually thought Jones was doing to get Gus to the floor and submit with some type of head and arm choke like a darce/brabo, guillotine, or even an an arm triangle. I wasn't expecting Jones to have trouble taking Gus down, and I definitely wasn't expecting Jones to get taken down.

MMA is a really strange animal, I always thought that once u had a wrestling base u could always draw from it in deep waters by way of muscle memory.But listening to jones say he mostly worked on his boxing (which was below par) and remembering fitch (n the bj fight) it seems these tactical fighters go into fights with the strategy from their most recent camp and nothing else. Its like how did jones's wrestling just turn to shyt

 

[RubioTheCruel]

you have to remember mma almost died in the usa, you cant have fights like that.

also in pride there was rumors that the yakuza was running that shyt

Yeah I definitely understand why there are no soccer kicks in US MMA. Gary Goodridge said most of the early pride fights were fixed and pride had a bunch of squash matches(Fedor vs Zulu )

I love Pride, but that shyt's gone and it ain't ever coming back. Good thing I still have my shockwave and bushido dvds.

I still bust out the 2006 OWGP from time to time


When I saw Cro Cop getting boxed up by Brendan Schaub I was like .... shyt's over, gotta move on in life

 

[FaTaL]

MMA is a really strange animal, I always thought that once u had a wrestling base u could always draw from it in deep waters by way of muscle memory.But listening to jones say he mostly worked on his boxing (which was below par) and remembering fitch (n the bj fight) it seems these tactical fighter go into fights with the strategy from their most recent camp and nothing else. Its like how did jones's wrestling just turn to shyt

a lot of factors, he assumed he could just take him down. gust is more athletic then he realized and guess what hes really light on his feet for a 6'5 guy. honestly i expected him to do a chael and just take him down but he couldnt. no matter how hard jones works on his boxing he'll never be a top fighter with his hands, his kicks saved him last night and his elbows

 

[Master Teacher]

Muzik nite club in TO.


I can tell your an UFC goofball and not a tru mma fan, by a response like this. AGE has nothing to do with bein in their prime, take a Randy couture for example. some fighters hit their stride early, some hit it late. The Cro Cop/wandy/shogun that the UFC got was the left overs from the many WARS of pride. Pls stop talking about what went on in Pride cuz you didn't watch dem live, your reading about it now on online. Those were wars, battles, not out pointing clinics that ufc tends to have so often now.

And your comment about juicing means nothing. So what if a guy juiced, 90% of dem UFC guys are juicing, what you think TRT is? Getting knocked out is gettin knocked out, it gonna hurt either way.

Also in Pride, in open weight tournments, Jones would be forced to fight guys bigger than him for a chance, no hiding behind that reach as we saw tonight without that reach Jones is a bloody mess.

Rampage in Pride is picking up Jones and carrying him around the ring and dropping his ass on the ground. UFC Rampage aint never used his wrestling cuz he's knees were shot. Pride Shogun is soccer kicking the fukk outta ne dudes. How many knee surgeries has Shogun had since he came into UFC 3, 4. All UFC is now to the old fighters is a pension plan. A last chance to make sum quick bucks before they retired and do the media tour. As the money was this nice back in the days.

I been watching this shyt longer than you
Rampage is not picking up shyt, he never faced an athlete like Jones in Pride or UFC period
all them pride guys could not survive in today's UFC even in their youth, the athletes have got better and will continue to do
Rampage actually improved in the UFC, the Rampage Jon Jones beat is way better than the Pride Rampage, if you think otherwise
your dumb as fukk, just because he power bomb some bum ass nikka

Shogun had none of the strength in UFC he had in Pride, he was not old when he got to UFC, you don't lose strength that quickly
speed maybe strength no, you can't say it was because of knee surgery, power is the last thing to leave a fighter same with wandy

 

[Master Teacher]

Jon Jones is in a sport where he has to do everything. Regardless he still won the fight. If he was in there with a top boxer. Someone whos hands outclasses his, their grappling probably does not outclass his which is when they will be taken down and submitted or pounded while they're on their back. This is MMA, not boxing. Jon Jones does not have the hands of a professional boxer but hes strong enough Everywhere and physical dominant enough to put it together well. These are the qualities of champions. You dont see a flabby n sick champions and if you do, they wont be the champ long.

You Kimbo Slice comment, I dont think that proves how much of a joke MMA is. If anything it legitimizes it. It shows that when you bring a fighter into his weakness and in the case of the Kimbo fight, that was grappling, its a whole different ball game. Im sure Ray was working takdown defense but obviously, when you're not used to it, its difficult to defend. In Mercer vs Sylvia, Sylvia stood in front of a boxer trying to prove a point and felt the hand of god.

Jon Jones another man with a good wrestling base. Some people are just freaks of nature and catch onto disciplines faster than others and it has everything to do with being able to do everything well while others are only able to do some things well. Not everyone has these gifts and being a boxer doesnt give you a special inate ability to become a great grappler just like being a great grappler does not give you an inate ability to be a good striker. There are plently of dudes that are nice on the mat but cant put it together in the Octogon when facing people that are good at everything. By age 18 Tyson was already considered a future heavy weight champion by the way he was wrecking everyone.

I get it though. Cats like you wont be satisfied with any pro boxer getting in the ring unless his name is Floyd Mayweather, Manny Paquioa or some other cat in the top ten. You're convinced boxing is the best and cant give respect where its due. It is what it is.

Your not listening, the Kimbo and Ray Mercer proves it, because they never learned the grapple game and had success
plus Kimbo was an old man with SHOT KNEES when he started doing MMA, if he was younger he would've done a lot better
Kimbo also was trained by Bas Ruten who is a stand up fighter and sucked at wrestling

If a young legit boxer gets trainsw ith Phil Davis or somebody like that in wrestling they would be dominate MMA

 

[threattonature]

Minus the last two rounds which were clearly Jones rounds I thought the first three could've went either way. I had it 2-1 Jones after 3 but was telling my boys that I wouldn't be shocked if some had it 3-0 Gustafsson. I thought that his shots weren't doing much damage. I mean even with a cut and swole face that doesn't necessarily mean powerful shots. Enough rounds were close that anybody screaming robbery in either direction is a damn fool. you scream that on obvious fights not rounds as close as they were in this fight.

 

[So UnThotful]

he stole round 4 not 3

gus won 1 and 3.

In round 3 yes gus was catching jones with the jab, but in the last minute or so thats when Jones started landing flush with straight elbows and Head Kicks, thats how he stole the 3rd round

 

[Lucky Millionaire]

Great fight that boy Gus was gettin at Jones hard but Jones managed to pull away in the 4th and 5th rounds. Rematch definitely deserved. Props to both.

 

[Mowgli]

Your not listening, the Kimbo and Ray Mercer proves it, because they never learned the grapple game and had success
plus Kimbo was an old man with SHOT KNEES when he started doing MMA, if he was younger he would've done a lot better
Kimbo also was trained by Bas Ruten who is a stand up fighter and sucked at wrestling

If a young legit boxer gets trainsw ith Phil Davis or somebody like that in wrestling they would be dominate MMA

If if was a spliff you're gettin us high as fukk in this thread bruh. It will take a very gifted fighter to be able to take to wrestling like he takes to boxing. Its not a given. I guess we'll never know till these magical set of circumstances take place. I dont know what you're measure of decent boxing is. You're talking about someone whos trained boxing for years, gone through amateurs, turned pro, won a bunch of fights, closed in on a title or won a title and then decided he wanted to wrestle under Phil Davis and take over MMA. You realize how this probably isnt going to happen right.

Will you be satisfied if Shannon Briggs learns wrestling or is he to old?

 

[Mowgli]

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/09/jones-vs-gustafsson-official-ufc.html

Jones wins. Good call refs.

Just like i thought. Nothin but patty cake shots from Gus. That boy threw no power. Tried to become the jab champion. Stop it. Sit.

 

[semtex]

Why must everything turn into boxing vs mma? you nikkas prob debate over batman vs superman too