Official UFC 165 Thread: Jones vs. Gustafsson
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you're strawmanning for no reason. i didn't say anything about demolishing. you're just trying to downplay it like it's nothing. i'm a bones fan too. i didn't even think this fight would be close.
but cutting a guy and giving him jay-z lips is legitimate damage, breh. just because it wasn't as drastic as sakuraba's wounds in the arona fight doesn't mean it ain't shyt.
A boxer can easily adapt. How do you know? What boxers are doing it, none. This is your imagination, playing tricks on you.
Rampage is an all state wrestler. You're discounting the grappling background these guys have because of some emotional attachment you have to boxing. Reality does not show boxers learning a little takedown defense and running through MMA. If it was that easy, theyd be doing it. Rampage did not get debo'd with strength. Jones just did whatever he felt like doing to him and that included striking and grappling. He was faster, stronger and more technically sound. He was standin in front of jones like a deer in headlights getting struck by Jones at will. He even said it himself, that he was just standing there in amazement.
The beauty of MMA is that it opens everyone up to a weakness. No one can be perfect in all things. We just dont live long enough for that. How can you say that there are no guys in mma that excel at mma and then say, a boxer could even if he has no grappling training. It takes years of studying grappling to get comfortable in a world where guys have been doing it most their lives. This is why MMA is about bringing a fighter into your strengths by shutting down his strengths. A boxer cant just take a few lessons and shut down people that have been grappling all their lives. Its not realistic.
Maybe one day whatevers in your imagination will come true but till then its a theory, its speculation and its not reality. Its easy to say if woulda coulda shoulda when its never happened. We have nothin to go off of cept the failed attempts of boxers like Mercer and Toney to test your theory out against fighters that werent even that good.
why do ppl keep saying it should've been a spilt decision? So what you're saying is you want the judges to see the fight differently from each other. Make up your mind. Either you think a fighter won, or you thought it was a draw(which is hard unless there was a 10-8 rd) But what you're saying is "I think fighter A won 2 cards and fighter B won one card or vice versa."
Wait, so who do you think won the fight?
Wait, so who do you think won the fight?
you almost got it right, go back and watch in pride, he only beat the middle tiered guys or older guys in pride. When he fought top guys in their prime he got beat, shogun, wandy. Sakuraba submitted him in pride. This is what i hate about sum mma fans, they watch ufc, and think they are mma fans. there was mma bigger and better than before the ufc.
Ok thats your opinion. I disagree with it.
Got the last two round? I had it a Draw first round could have gone either way. Jones in round 2. Gustafsson in round 3.
Rampage would've beat the UFC version of Shogun, just like he did Wandy, them dudes were juiced out their minds in Pride
Round 4 was the best.... Gus was winning the first few minutes then Jones hit a spinning elbow and had him on rollerskates the rest of the round. Round 5 both of them were out of gas.
R1: Gus, 2 and 3 were close, I thought Bones won 4 and 5. I'd have no problem with 48-47 either way.
A boxer can easily adapt. How do you know? What boxers are doing it, none. This is your imagination, playing tricks on you.
Rampage is an all state wrestler. You're discounting the grappling background these guys have because of some emotional attachment you have to boxing. Reality does not show boxers learning a little takedown defense and running through MMA. If it was that easy, theyd be doing it. Rampage did not get debo'd with strength. Jones just did whatever he felt like doing to him and that included striking and grappling. He was faster, stronger and more technically sound. He was standin in front of jones like a deer in headlights getting struck by Jones at will. He even said it himself, that he was just standing there in amazement.
The beauty of MMA is that it opens everyone up to a weakness. No one can be perfect in all things. We just dont live long enough for that. How can you say that there are no guys in mma that excel at mma and then say, a boxer could even if he has no grappling training. It takes years of studying grappling to get comfortable in a world where guys have been doing it most their lives. Maybe one day whatevers in your imagination will come true but till then its a theory, its speculation and its not reality. Its easy to say if woulda coulda shoulda when its never happened. We have nothin to go off of cept the failed attempts of boxers like Mercer and Toney to test your theory out against fighters that werent even that good.
Toney never took MMA serious, and MERCER WAS 50, and THEY NEVER TRAINED WITH NOBODY REMOTELY CLOSE TO A PHIL DAVIS OR SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING
plus how did Mercer fail when he knocked out a much younger Tim Slyvia in seconds, yeah he lost to Kimbo, who was a guy off the street, which proves how much of a joke MMA is. Mercer knocks out Former UFC champ, but he loses to a guy of the street who has just as much MMA experience as he has, onl difference was Bas Ruten was giving Kimbo instructions and Mercer had nobody
an all state wrestler in what? High School, I respect the wrestling Pedigree of Brock Lesnar and nikka was at the top, we talking about pro fighting here
rampage did not excel at wrestling, BJJ, or boxing, he did he alright for himself, such is the case with a lot of guys like fukking Schaub
It only took Jones 2 years to learn MMA
The reason why I'm going so ham is because dude is pathetic with his hand, he got his dukes up like Rock'em Sock'em Robots
and that thing he does with his hand to try to cover his chin is just disgusting to watch, i mean it was effect against the shorter fighters when he'd extend one harm, cover his chin with the other hand while he retreating, but thats like when put your hand on top of your little brother's head while he tries to swing at you
UFC Shogun/wandy is not the shogun/wandy in their prime. Just like Bones didn't beat Rampage in his prime. If you go back and watch the WARS in pride, you will realize there's a reason Wandy sounds the way he does when he talks. you would rewatch the bones/Gus fight and think nice fight, nuthing more nuthin less. UFC doesnt have the wars like Pride would have on the reg, for whatever reason it is.
dudes in pride would get knocked down, stand back up, knocked down agin and keep goin. refs weren't stoppin shyt. soccer kicks to an already knocked out dudes head was the norm. That Barao fight after the kick wld've went on for another 8mins.
Best way to compare is think about how dominate dana and every1 makes Chuck Liddell out to be, like he had this big huge dominate era in UFC. He came to pride and got his ass handed to em, wasn't even close. and rampage the guy who beat got his ass handed to him from Wandy after. so Chuck didn't even lose to the best. fukk even the great 1 Anderson silva caught a couple L's in pride.
Those years i had my bootleg direct tv satellite catching all da pride fights for free, were sum of da best yrs of my life.
