Official The Irishman Thread

[Scientific]

Once Upon A Time is a great movie. You just gotta be in the mood for it. Dialogue heavy and it's from the early 80s, so the pacing is much slower than today's movies.


I definitely enjoyed it though, watched it for the first time like two months ago.

Side fact as people are complaining about The Irishman being so long. There were two cuts, the American version was only an hour and a half, but the directors cut which was released in Europe, was over four. I cant imagine so much of the film being cut out from a Sergio Leone film.

The Kennedy's, by far. What they did to the mob after the mob helped them win the election was the definition of some phuk shyt.

Do I think they should have helped the mob once they got into office? No. But to specifically target them for destruction was some real treacherous shyt.

To be fair, I don't think the sons were connected to the Mob like their dad. Seemed like Joe Kennedy schooled them, and were kept out of that life. They were New England prep boys, and obviously felt like they didn't owe them. In today's time, still boggles my mind how openly corrupt politicians were back then. These gangsters were rubbing elbows with presidents. JFK was not perfect, but I can see why he wanted to move away from that.

 

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To be fair, I don't think the sons were connected to the Mob like their dad. Seemed like Joe Kennedy schooled them, and were kept out of that life. They were New England prep boys, and obviously felt like they didn't owe them. In today's time, still boggles my mind how openly corrupt politicians were back then. These gangsters were rubbing elbows with presidents. JFK was not perfect, but I can see why he wanted to move away from that.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

"why can't we go back to the days of movies like 'Goodfellas'!"....that shyt flopped. Did $43 million.
Meanwhile, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" did $201 million the same year.

This is the second time you've said this and it's not true because while TMNT was a big success, Goodfellas has been more profitable. Goodfellas between home video sales/rentals, blu rays, 4K blu rays, digital sales and most importantly television rights has made hundreds of millions of dollars for Warner Bros.

It's way more profitable than TMNT and it always will be because it's a classic movie that stood the test of time. It's still on TV every day 30 years later. That's why these movies should be made.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Also, I can't find fukking Parasite anywhere and I live on the east coast. I don't live in some hick town. When Parasite is in a theater the average money it makes for that theater is great in comparison to the number of screens these blockbusters are on.

There's no reason for movie theaters to still be playing a movie like Terminator Dark Fate weeks later after it flopped. Parasite would be making more money for that theater right now because it's still selling out shows.

But Parasite can't get in and expand like that because the big studios buy the screens.

 

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Relying on theater chains to show you good cinema would be like gauging the quality of music solely on mainstream radio. I suggest you start fukking with torrents.

Fred.

I agree, and if you really like the independent/small budgget movie try to purchase it, after the fact.


Can't complain about the lack of quality small budget movies, if there isn't a financial incentive for them to be made (even if big budget movies partly finances them, they still need us to purchase it).

 

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shame that Gandolfini & Liotta couldn't be/weren't in this

I watched Copland the other night, forgot how great Liotta was in that.


So was Keitel, De Niro, T-1000, and Stallone.

 

[hex]

This is the second time you've said this and it's not true because while TMNT was a big success, Goodfellas has been more profitable. Goodfellas between home video sales/rentals, blu rays, 4K blu rays, digital sales and most importantly television rights has made hundreds of millions of dollars for Warner Bros.

It's way more profitable than TMNT and it always will be because it's a classic movie that stood the test of time. It's still on TV every day 30 years later. That's why these movies should be made.

Give me receipts for literally any part of this post. It barely did 2x it's budget while at the box office. Unless they sold a fukk ton of t-shirts and Funko Pops I don't see the movie being some kind of massive success. Especially compared to something like "TMNT", which had a cartoon, clothes, shoes, video games, toys, etc.

Classic =/= successful. That's exactly my point. There's a ton of incredible movies that either outright flopped or had middling box office success. It's always been that way. It was that way when Scorsese was in his prime. It's like he did a few interviews and suddenly people are "oh wow, mainstream cinema sucks!"

News flash, it's mostly always sucked. Which is why I said stop relying on it.

Also, I can't find fukking Parasite anywhere and I live on the east coast. I don't live in some hick town. When Parasite is in a theater the average money it makes for that theater is great in comparison to the number of screens these blockbusters are on.

There's no reason for movie theaters to still be playing a movie like Terminator Dark Fate weeks later after it flopped. Parasite would be making more money for that theater right now because it's still selling out shows.

But Parasite can't get in and expand like that because the big studios buy the screens.

Where exactly do you live? I'm in a suburb 10 minutes outside of Kansas City, Missouri and it's currently showing 5 minutes away. And at the Alamo Drafthouse in KC.

You cats gotta wake up man. You live in this fantasy world where, if you snap your fingers and remove....I dunno, comic movies or whatever the current scapegoat is....then the general public will magically get better taste and flock to see movies like "Parasite". Which is

Fred.

 

[hex]

I agree, and if you really like the independent/small budgget movie try to purchase it, after the fact.


Can't complain about the lack of quality small budget movies, if there isn't a financial incentive for them to be made (even if big budget movies partly finances them, they still need us to purchase it).

Exactly.

I imported "Oldboy" from South Korea when it first came out. shyt was like $50.

If I sat around waiting for the local AMC to show me good movies I wouldn't even know Park Chan-wook existed.

Fred.

 

[El Poyo Loco]

couple things I forgot to mention.

I didn't care for the scene with Frank on the phone to Hoffa's wife and Russ taking Franks shades before sending him to do the hit was a nice touch.
the small Joe Gallo arc was placed right at the right time...gave the movie a nice little jolt of energy.

I love how men wearing shorts has been a bugbear. first in The Sopranos and now in this.


also, Herc looked like something out of Guardians of The Galaxy or Bucky O'Hare...all that was missing was animal ears.

Russ taking the glasses was perfect he knew Frank didn't want Jimmy to look him in the eyes he knew Frank didn't want to do it but had no choice.

When I found out that was Herc give the person in charge of make up an oscar I thought that was George Dzunda from the OG Law & Order

 

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Give me receipts for literally any part of this post. It barely did 2x it's budget while at the box office. Unless they sold a fukk ton of t-shirts and Funko Pops I don't see the movie being some kind of massive success. Especially compared to something like "TMNT", which had a cartoon, clothes, shoes, video games, toys, etc.

Classic =/= successful. That's exactly my point. There's a ton of incredible movies that either outright flopped or had middling box office success. It's always been that way. It was that way when Scorsese was in his prime. It's like he did a few interviews and suddenly people are "oh wow, mainstream cinema sucks!"

News flash, it's mostly always sucked. Which is why I said stop relying on it.



Where exactly do you live? I'm in a suburb 10 minutes outside of Kansas City, Missouri and it's currently showing 5 minutes away. And at the Alamo Drafthouse in KC.

You cats gotta wake up man. You live in this fantasy world where, if you snap your fingers and remove....I dunno, comic movies or whatever the current scapegoat is....then the general public will magically get better taste and flock to see movies like "Parasite". Which is

Fred.

I agree with almost everything you said, but come on Bruh, Goodfellas grossed 46.8 million domestically on a 25 million dollar budget. It made its money back, on top of an additional 23 million dollars in the box office.

That can't be called a flop just because it wasn't as successful as TMNT (a movie where 90% of its audience must be accompanied by parents who don't even want to see it lol...shyt I had my parents bring me )


Flop: In the motion picture industry, a box-office bomb or box-office flop is a film that is considered highly unsuccessful or unprofitable during its theatrical run. Although any film for which the production and marketing costs exceed the combined revenue after release is considered to have "bombed",[1]


But you're right mainstream taste usually isn't about quality.

 

[hex]

I agree with almost everything you said, but come on Bruh, Goodfellas grossed 46.8 million domestically on a 25 million dollar budget. It made its money back, on top of an additional 23 million dollars in the box office.

That can't be called a flop just because it wasn't as successful as TMNT (a movie where 90% of its audience must be accompanied by parents who don't even want to see it lol...shyt I had my parents bring me )


Flop: In the motion picture industry, a box-office bomb or box-office flop is a film that is considered highly unsuccessful or unprofitable during its theatrical run. Although any film for which the production and marketing costs exceed the combined revenue after release is considered to have "bombed",[1]


But you're right mainstream taste usually isn't about quality.

Breh a movie doing 2x it's budget cannot be successful unless it has no marketing. Marketing is usually damn near as much as the production costs.

How much money does a movie need to make to be profitable?

You also have to factor in theaters get a cut (sometimes as much as 20%) just for showing the movie. The longer a movie is in theaters, the more the % increases.

Economics Of The Movie Theater - Where The Money Goes And Why It Costs Us So Much | The Movie Blog

Also, the point wasn't "TMNT". The point is the current pop culture boogeyman is comic movies when "TMNT" was doing 5x the box office of "Goodfellas", 25+ years ago. This ain't nothing new. Mainstream cinema has mostly always been trash.

Fred.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

@hex I already posted "receipts" you just didn't reply to them. One of the producers sued WB over a certain time frame where Goodfellas made over $120M in home video sales and he didn't receive the money he was supposed to because of "Hollywood accounting"...

The movie been on TV for 30 years you don't think it's made millions in TV rights besides home video, blu ray, etc.? Come on

And the thing is it will never stop making money because it's Goodfellas. It will always be a classic movie that people will watch.

And I don't have an Alamo Drafthouse anywhere near me that's mostly a midwest chain lol.

Around me is AMC and Cinemark and shyt like that.. they almost never will show a movie like Parasite even when screens playing Terminator Dark Fate or whatever came out recently are completely empty...

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Mainstream cinema has mostly always been trash.

The year you are talking about 1990, Goodfellas finished 7th on the year in domestic box office. Also in the top 10 were Dances with Wolves, Home Alone, Total Recall, Misery, 3 Men and a Little Lady and a Back to the Future movie.

That top ten couldn't have been more different.

A crime drama.

A sci-fi action

A horror movie.

An action/adventure blockbuster

A family comedy.

That is far different than the way the box office in the U.S. would look today.

 

[hex]

@hex I already posted "receipts" you just didn't reply to them. One of the producers sued WB over a certain time frame where Goodfellas made over $120M in home video sales and he didn't receive the money he was supposed to because of "Hollywood accounting"...

The movie been on TV for 30 years you don't think it's made millions in TV rights besides home video, blu ray, etc.? Come on

And the thing is it will never stop making money because it's Goodfellas. It will always be a classic movie that people will watch.

And I don't have an Alamo Drafthouse anywhere near me that's mostly a midwest chain lol.

Around me is AMC and Cinemark and shyt like that.. they almost never will show a movie like Parasite even when screens playing Terminator Dark Fate or whatever came out recently are completely empty...

I routinely have 80-100+ Alerts.

I'm well aware of Irwin Winkler's law suit. He claimed the movie made $275 million total. In 2014. Meaning it took 24 years to do more than what "TMNT" did in it's initial run. So how was it more profitable?

Also keep in mind you have no idea if these numbers are even true, as they settled out of court. According to WB the movie never even broke even.

AMC is showing "Parasite" 5 minutes away from me.

Also there's an Alamo Drafthouse in Brooklyn. Again, where exactly do you live?

The year you are talking about 1990, Goodfellas finished 7th on the year in domestic box office. Also in the top 10 were Dances with Wolves, Home Alone, Total Recall, Misery, 3 Men and a Little Lady and a Back to the Future movie.

That top ten couldn't have been more different.

A crime drama.

A sci-fi action

A horror movie.

An action/adventure blockbuster

A family comedy.

That is far different than the way the box office in the U.S. would look today.

You're talking about genres, I'm talking about quality.

You seriously think Scorsese was happy with "Goodfellas" being blown out of the water by "3 Men And A Little Lady"?

Let alone "Total Recall", which was an "amusement park" film from that era.

Which again is my point. "Goodfellas" was the best film on that list by a wide margin....yet it's nowhere near the most successful.

Fred.

 

[OG Talk]

Pesci was excellent. Borderline brilliant. The exact opposite tone wise as his work in Raging Bull, Goodfellas and Casino. He felt like a boss in every scene.

Pacino was great as Hoffa. It felt like a totally different movie once he was introduced to the story line. For an 80 year old to give such a dramatic performance is impressive.

Deniro was the weakest link to me. For some reason his performance seemed the most “old”. Even outside of the hilariously cringy fights scenes. I never bought into his character as scary or smart. He just seemed like “muscle”


I would be all in for a spin-off limited series with Harvey Keitel as Angelo Bruno.