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[Nero Christ]

Even without Mattson involved, i think Tom would be a decent CEO. He would never have his own ideas, but he’d listen to his team and the company probably coasts through for another decade as is. Kendall would constantly take wild swings imo, even with good intent. Some of them would work, others would fail miserably.

It was shown while the funeral was going on....Tom was putting out fires at ATN and ATN is referred to as the money maker of Waystar, and Tom's been running that for a min. He is absolutely good at his job.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

1) That's just it, he already has enough $$$. All of them do (Except Greg). None of this was about paper, it was about power. The only way that money really becomes power, is when he moves past the rest of the Roy Children - which being a CEO for someone else won't allow him too.

Most Fortune 500 CEOs are not on the Forbes 400.

2) 99.9% of the people don't matter. That magazine cover where Shiv is pulling Matsson's strings - for the people at that level - press, banks, lawyers, fellow ceo's and senior mgmt - they already knew that relationship. The same thing happens with Tom. Ford, Boeing, Yahoo, Microsoft - they'll bring him on to run things, right the ship - but he's not making B money, just C money.

3) He's running the boat, not deciding where it goes. See #1

We just gonna disagree on the Tom stuff. You the one that brought money into this like saying Tom only getting 10s of millions. Dude you were replying to just said Tom will be straight and can pivot from his current role. Tom will be making hundreds of millions of dollars........that is B money, not C money. What are you talking about? Tom will be fine getting power by being a CEO.

Tom will be running the boat...........Mattson will just be telling him to take detours from time to time when it suits his need/image. Mattson doesnt know anything about American media, he will need to lean on Tom.

The same thing happens with Tom. Ford, Boeing, Yahoo, Microsoft - they'll bring him on to run things, right the ship

Roid basically said this exact thing........so what problem did you have with what he said?

True, I don't know why people are framing it like his life is over, he can easily pivot from this role

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

I'm feeling way more confident that Tom is actually not that happy as time passes and I reflect on the final. Look at this man's face:

That is a man who survived, got the crown, and still can't get his wife to actually hold his hand lovingly. Tom just wants someone to love his goofy ass, but he's stuck with Shiv since Shiv needs proximity to power and got him that CEO role by switching her vote. He knows that woman doesn't love him. She's popping his baby out and going back to having threesomes with strange men and women while Mattson pushes him around at work.

 

[Nero Christ]

Doubt they do but I hope a 4K complete boxset is released

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

We just gonna disagree on the Tom stuff. You the one that brought money into this like saying Tom only getting 10s of millions. Dude you were replying to just said Tom will be straight and can pivot from his current role. Tom will be making hundreds of millions of dollars........that is B money, not C money. What are you talking about? Tom will be fine getting power by being a CEO.

Tom will be running the boat...........Mattson will just be telling him to take detours from time to time when it suits his need/image. Mattson doesnt know anything about American media, he will need to lean on Tom.

Roid basically said this exact thing........so what problem did you have with what he said?

People are downplaying being essentially the CEO of Disney x Google lmao...or the CEO of aol time Warner in 98 was some consolation prize

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I'm feeling way more confident that Tom is actually not that happy as time passes and I reflect on the final. Look at this man's face:

That is a man who survived, got the crown, and still can't get his wife to actually hold his hand lovingly. Tom just wants someone to love his goofy ass, but he's stuck with Shiv since Shiv needs proximity to power and got him that CEO role by switching her vote. He knows that woman doesn't love him. She's popping his baby out and going back to having threesomes with strange men and women while Mattson pushes him around at work.

Yea, that's all he ever wanted was her love. I think he said as much when they argued outside the party.
Then Mattson talking shyt about wanting to fukk her

 

[EzekelRAGE]

People are downplaying being essentially the CEO of Disney x Google lmao...or the CEO of aol time Warner in 98 was some consolation prize

shyt is crazy. Tom is bascially one of the most powerful ppl in media and nikkas acting like he some peon. Disney is the perfect example, because Waystar has the cruiselines, the movie/tv business, and that's on top of ATN being the leading news company in America. Tom is over all of that. nikkas act like Mattson about to be interfering in all of that when most likely he wont.

 

[Tommy Fits]

The way the series ended makes that scene in the kitchen that much more heartbreaking. For the first time the siblings were together not because of the business but a common trauma and emotional abuse they all shared. Not even Connor could share in that, we all thought he was the forgotten sibling but after watching that dinner video we saw even he had a personal relationship with his father the other three didn't have. It showed what the siblings could've had relationship wise if not for the business. A tragedy in every sense of the word.

I also believe at that moment of and the morning of, Shiv was 100% on board and voting no on the deal. I don't know if it was the realization of Ken being CEO or something Sandy said to her when they went to persuade them, or the image of Ken feet up in their fathers chair but going into the board meeting she was on board.

 

[WIA20XX]

We just gonna disagree on the Tom stuff. You the one that brought money into this like saying Tom only getting 10s of millions. Dude you were replying to just said Tom will be straight and can pivot from his current role. Tom will be making hundreds of millions of dollars........that is B money. What are you talking about? Tom will be fine getting power by being a CEO.

Tom will be running the boat...........Mattson will just be telling him to take detours from time to time when it suits his need/image. Mattson doesnt know anything about American media, he will need to lean on Tom.

Roid basically said this exact thing........so what problem did you have with what he said?

I'm making this distinction.

Let's take Microsoft as an example.

CEO - Satya Nadella - His net worth is only worth a mere 280M.

That sounds like a lot of money. 1% of that and I'm chilling for the rest of my life...

But the founder, the one who picked him, is Bill Gates, who's worth 114.7B

Bill Gates is ownership, Nadella is merely management.

Nadella has multiple degrees, Billy dropped out of Harvard.
Nadella is probably smarter/IQ wise than Billy.

If Satya had that "dog in him", he woulda been made Bill Gates level paper.
He would have stayed in India and made that Ambani money.

But he don't have that dog in him, and neither does Tom.

They both seemingly want what the status, the power, and yes the money and that's why they played the game.
But they were playing the wrong game if that's what they wanted. (IMO)

In terms of power,

Within the Corporation - we already know what Matsson is gonna do, and what Tom's role is gonna be.

Outside of the Corporation - The President had Logan on speed dial, and Logan could make him wait.

With Shiv showing Matsson how to play the political game, Jimenez or whoever will be wringing Matsson not Tom.

Tom has neither real power inside the corporation or outside of it.

So Tom gets a hollow position, a comparative little bit of money, and a fancy title.

He might currently have the upper hand in his marriage, but Shiv's gonna go back to her old tricks.

In a sense, Tom got what he wanted, but it seems like he wanted even more than that.

The whole discussion with Greg and Connor shows that Tom understood the game he was in, and was trying to figure out how to get to the grown up table.

It's not clear that he did.

At least Little Finger was angling to be the force behind the throne, pull the strings.

Tom is a puppet.

 

[RickyGQ]

Im curious to her thought process and when she decided to not go with Kendall. Like she seemed with it 20mins before the meeting(When Ken sits down in the chair). She was smiling and shyt. In the meeting with Stewey she is making sure he is with it. Then she and stewey go to convince Sandy to flip. After that....Shiv seems more hesitate.........not smiling. I wonder what Sandy said to her. There's also a theory that when she saw Rome's stitches busted, she took note of it as well.

Also Shiv didnt yell he killed the waiter where other ppl could hear. Yall just making up shyt now to fit narratives
Kendall was the only one getting loud and shown yelling where the others could hear them before the scuffle. Matter of fact, Ken may have been the only person you heard in the conference room.

Sandy probably gave her the real, woman to woman. They’ve always had a bond in that sense if i remember correctly.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I'm making this distinction.

Let's take Microsoft as an example.

CEO - Satya Nadella - His net worth is only worth a mere 280M.

That sounds like a lot of money. 1% of that and I'm chilling for the rest of my life...

But the founder, the one who picked him, is Bill Gates, who's worth 114.7B

Bill Gates is ownership, Nadella is merely management.

Nadella has multiple degrees, Billy dropped out of Harvard.
Nadella is probably smarter/IQ wise than Billy.

If Satya had that "dog in him", he woulda been made Bill Gates level paper.
He would have stayed in India and made that Ambani money.

But he don't have that dog in him, and neither does Tom.

They both seemingly want what the status, the power, and yes the money and that's why they played the game.
But they were playing the wrong game if that's what they wanted. (IMO)

In terms of power,

Within the Corporation - we already know what Matsson is gonna do, and what Tom's role is gonna be.

Outside of the Corporation - The President had Logan on speed dial, and Logan could make him wait.

With Shiv showing Matsson how to play the political game, Jimenez or whoever will be wringing Matsson not Tom.

Tom has neither real power inside the corporation or outside of it.

So Tom gets a hollow position, a comparative little bit of money, and a fancy title.

He might currently have the upper hand in his marriage, but Shiv's gonna go back to her old tricks.

In a sense, Tom got what he wanted, but it seems like he wanted even more than that.

The whole discussion with Greg and Connor shows that Tom understood the game he was in, and was trying to figure out how to get to the grown up table.

It's not clear that he did.

At least Little Finger was angling to be the force behind the throne, pull the strings.

Tom is a puppet.

The bullshyt in this post is off the charts. If you're not bill gates you just don't got that dog huh

 

[RickyGQ]

This is bullshyt. You’re adding in shyt that isn’t in the story to make your stance more sound. You can 100 percent agree to something and then change your mind in the moment. These people have made gut decisions all series. Shiv hasn’t been some sort of master strategist.

And trusting Kendall with billions is a ridiculous way to frame it because otherwise you’re trusting Mattson who has already proven to be bullshyt and eccentric and liable to get sued at some point. Rome was hesitant not because of Kendall but because he doubted that he wanted any part of it. He doubted himself. Shiv did what she did in the most spiteful way possible. If it wasn’t in the moment she could’ve told him. And she didn’t. There was no need to blindside him. She didn’t suddenly start going though the options. She did it to spite and humiliate him and to secure herself some sort of power going forward via her connection to Tom. With Kendall in power, she and Roman become their uncle. She would rather the nominal influence of being Tom’s wife than being a sideline player.

Everybody and there momma has been calling Rome every version of weak since he tucked tail and ran behind his father back in season 1. But mention Shivs obvious flaws and we’re sexist.

And lmao at people making Shivs decision about money. She’s never had to worry about it her entire life and doesn’t even know how and suddenly, she can’t let Kendall be CEO cause she’s scared they’ll be poor.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I'm making this distinction.

Let's take Microsoft as an example.

CEO - Satya Nadella - His net worth is only worth a mere 280M.

That sounds like a lot of money. 1% of that and I'm chilling for the rest of my life...

But the founder, the one who picked him, is Bill Gates, who's worth 114.7B

Bill Gates is ownership, Nadella is merely management.

Horrible comparison. Disney would be better since they have media and shyt. Even with that example.......Satya is a powerful dude.
Having hundreds of millions of dollars is still "B money", you called it C money. "A money" would be the bill gates level.
I'll just repost what I posted above

shyt is crazy. Tom is bascially one of the most powerful ppl in media and nikkas acting like he some peon. Disney is the perfect example, because Waystar has the cruiselines, the movie/tv business, and that's on top of ATN being the leading news company in America. Tom is over all of that. nikkas act like Mattson about to be interfering in all of that when most likely he wont.

You attributing stuff to Tom that the show has never shown he has wanted. Where has it ever been brought up that Tom wanted to be on the power level of a bill gates or elon musk?
He perfectly content making hundreds of millions of dollars and being the head of the most powerful media company in America.
We not gonna agree on this.........so best to just drop it.

I also believe at that moment of and the morning of, Shiv was 100% on board and voting no on the deal. I don't know if it was the realization of Ken being CEO or something Sandy said to her when they went to persuade them, or the image of Ken feet up in their fathers chair but going into the board meeting she was on board.

Yep she was. It was the meeting with Sandy where she came out stonefaced, whole demeanor changed.

Sandy probably gave her the real, woman to woman. They’ve always had a bond in that sense if i remember correctly.

Yep. Made it clear it's best to wash hands of this situation and "get out".

The bullshyt in this post is off the charts. If you're not bill gates you just don't got that dog huh

shyt is crazy lmao. nikka acting like CEOs of billion dollar companies have no power and get no respect.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

shyt is crazy lmao. nikka acting like CEOs of billionaire companies have no power and get no respect.

Jamie Dimon - just don't got that dog in em
Steve Ballmer? - just a puppet
Tim Cook - billionaire, but he didn't make apple so he don't got that dog in em
Robert Iger? If he had that dog in him he would've made his own Disney. What a loser

 

[Tommy Fits]

As shytty as a person that Ken is, I feel bad for him. The only thing he was trained to do in this life he just lost. He lost the business, his siblings, and got put in his place that his kids aren't really his. All 3 now realize that they are nothing. In Roman's case he's finally free of the burden, in Shiv's case she finally realized taking a backseat to Tom is her best option. And Ken is left with nothing, just a broken shell of a man