Official Succession Thread 🟠 Season 4 Currently Airing

[RickyGQ]

I mean, every NBA player got that dog in him, but not at the same level.

Jayson Tatum has enough dog in him to be a supermax player, but does he have the same level of dog in him as Jimmy Butler? No.

Embiid has more dog in him than people give him credit for, but he looks weak next to Jokic, who has even more dog in him.

Tom doesn't have Logan's level of tenacity, among other things. I don't want to hate because Tom is in a great position, career-wise and financially, but Tom is a white guy who cleans up nice and doesn't step on toes. That's enough to be a puppet CEO, but it's not like Logan grinding people up and actually creating the company that Tom's lucky enough to have survived within.

And the original point of that post is that millions ain't billions, and when it comes to getting in the room with POTUS, Tom can do that now, but Shiv will forever be able to do that.

I think something this show articulates well is that those billionaires are more luck than “dog”. Ebba made a point to say that Mattson is mostly their PR creation and he’s not all he’s cracked up to be. I don’t think lines like are an accident.

 

[No1]

Where in that post did I say Shiv was some maSter strategist? Quote me please. I straight up said she changed mind............so what are you goin on about? I didnt add in anything........what did I add? Rome's hesitation is up for interpretation

No one said you did say she was a master strategist. Let’s be adults and not pretend that everything someone says has to be a one for one reflection of what the previous person said. But that fits into how you’ve been going on. I don’t need to quote you - there’s something called inference. You implied it was anything more than a snap judgment and I said why it’s more likely that it was. Don’t be dense.

It's not ridiculous.
Mattson has proven to be able to make a billion dollar company............Kendall hasnt proven shyt. Kendall has also proven to be bullshyt(He is cooking numbers), eccentric and liable to get sued at some point with a dead body hanging over his head.

1. Going with Kendal all your shyt is locked in stock, aint no cash. So you risking everything on Kendall's shoulders. That stock price gonna go down as well, since Kendall isnt a good CEO.

2. Going with Mattson........everybody is cashing out at the premium Mattson offered, 192 a share. Either all of that is a cash settlement or 50/50 cash and stock in GoJo, at that premium price.

Mattison has proven to make a billionaire company the same way that Elizabeth Holmes did. What on earth are you talking about? That’s just high level bullshytting which Kendal is very good at except he actually knows how to dial back his bullshyt when there’s an issue. Mattison didn’t even want the India shyt out.

Going with Kendall all your shyt is not locked in stock. You can sell your shares to Kendall or someone else at any time. No one is forcing you to stay with the company. She could’ve cashed out and been rich and walked away to go be in politics but she didn’t because she wants to be in - despite being the least qualified of all the siblings. The only deals she ever closed were (A) already negotiated by her dad and she just kept it - Mattison or (B) by dangling the feminist card to women looking for a white woman face on the monster that is capitalism.

And no it was not 50-50 cash stock with Mattison, it was more stock than cash. Sure, you take the money but it’s equally likely that the stock won’t be worth shyt.

 

[No1]

I agree with people that Tom didn’t really win to a certain extent. nikka damn near sold his soul for that shyt. And he didn’t really look like some one who won anything. But he’s gonna finally get that money he’s always wanted for sure.

He’s working for a dude who told him that he can and wants to fukk his wife and that he’s going to be hated by america and blamed everything. But he sold his soul for money a long time ago.

 

[mastermind]

shiv surpassed skylar for most hated?

Not sure why. She didn’t do anything wrong. Her brothers did the same to her multiple times.

On top of that, Kendall was behaving just like their father but was too late in asserting his dominance.

As for Skylar, Walt was a drug dealer who destroyed their family, while she was pregnant.

 

[Silkk]

The way the series ended makes that scene in the kitchen that much more heartbreaking. For the first time the siblings were together not because of the business but a common trauma and emotional abuse they all shared. Not even Connor could share in that, we all thought he was the forgotten sibling but after watching that dinner video we saw even he had a personal relationship with his father the other three didn't have. It showed what the siblings could've had relationship wise if not for the business. A tragedy in every sense of the word.

I also believe at that moment of and the morning of, Shiv was 100% on board and voting no on the deal. I don't know if it was the realization of Ken being CEO or something Sandy said to her when they went to persuade them, or the image of Ken feet up in their fathers chair but going into the board meeting she was on board.

It wasn't the "Co-CEO" line about Kendall & Roman in the meeting? That's when it looked like she flipped to me.


I thought Kendall changed his mind and decided to keep Roman as Co-CEO after his breakdown which is what caused Shiv to flip hearing it out loud.

 

[Morethan1]

Just finished the last episode.

Is the security guard about to Air Kendall out?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

You implied it was anything more than a snap judgment and I said why it’s more likely that it was. Don’t be dense.

You are the one being dense. The only ppl who think Shiv NOT voting Ken was a "snap judgement" obviously wasnt paying attention to the show. Her siding with Ken in the first place was the snap judgment.

Mattison has proven to make a billionaire company the same way that Elizabeth Holmes did. What on earth are you talking about? That’s just high level bullshytting which Kendal is very good at except he actually knows how to dial back his bullshyt when there’s an issue. Mattison didn’t even want the India shyt out.

Kendall hasnt proven he can do anything.
This nikka knows how to dialback his bullshyt?

What has kendall's mastery of high level bullshyt gotten him? All his shyt is from Logan's foundation. He hasnt built anything.

Going with Kendall all your shyt is not locked in stock. You can sell your shares to Kendall or someone else at any time. No one is forcing you to stay with the company.

If all your shyt isnt in stock..........why would you need to sell your shares? Because it's locked into stock. Mattson is buying their shares in the company. You dont know what you are talking about.

And no it was not 50-50 cash stock with Mattison, it was more stock than cash. Sure, you take the money but it’s equally likely that the stock won’t be worth shyt.

No.....once again you are wrong........it was 50% in stock and 50 in cash. The stock is worth more with Mattson than with Kendal. Mattson is paying a premium for the stock.

Around 10s into this short clip he says 50% in stock.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

I think something this show articulates well is that those billionaires are more luck than “dog”. Ebba made a point to say that Mattson is mostly their PR creation and he’s not all he’s cracked up to be. I don’t think lines like are an accident.

This is a REALLY good point.

 

[RickyGQ]

Pat Riley is harsh, but he makes the people around him excel. Logan doesn't do that.

Riley is the rare guy who seems like it'd be hell to work for him, but also, you can't deny that he turns out competence and even excellence under his watch.

Actually, im gonna push back on that. Logan and Riley can only function around people they respect. This nikka traded a just past his prime Shaq like hours after they got into an argument cause he wouldn’t get in line. Only people who ever really succeeded in Miami all seem to be cut from a similar cloth.

Logan is the same. He respects people who got it out the mud like him. He’s an a$$hole, but we saw in that video he really trusted, respected and cared for his inner circle. I bet Logan dealing with his kids would be like if Riley ever had to deal with a player like Karl Anthony Towns or something.

 

[Black Excellence]

Not sure why. She didn’t do anything wrong. Her brothers did the same to her multiple times.

On top of that, Kendall was behaving just like their father but was too late in asserting his dominance.

As for Skylar, Walt was a drug dealer who destroyed their family, while she was pregnant.

You see it clear and unbiased

It needs to be stated one more time in here, you’re not supposed to like or root for any of characters. It’s why I’m puzzled at the whole team Kendall, team Tom, etc shyt in here.

Everything is right there. Going back since the first season, the first episode. All of them have severe trauma and use cynicism & sarcasm on each other to mask it. For gods sake, they treat every single conversation as a way to one up the other.

Regular, normal humans don’t act like that.

Forget unserious, they’re fukking insane people.

 

[RickyGQ]

This is a REALLY good point.

I’d take it a step further and say he probably never gets to where he is if he’s an American. Half of his lore was wrapped around this foreign intrigue to Logan and co.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

It needs to be stated one more time in here, you’re not supposed to like or root for any of characters. It’s why I’m puzzled at the whole team Kendall, team Tom, etc shyt in here.

People just having fun. Like team green vs team black for House of the Dragon.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

Actually, im gonna push back on that. Logan and Riley can only function around people they respect. This nikka traded a just past his prime Shaq like hours after they got into an argument cause he wouldn’t get in line. Only people who ever really succeeded in Miami all seem to be cut from a similar cloth.

Logan is the same. He respects people who got it out the mud like him. He’s an a$$hole, but we saw in that video he really trusted, respected and cared for his inner circle. I bet Logan dealing with his kids would be like if Riley ever had to deal with a player like Karl Anthony Towns or something.

I can see this, but Logan respects people who push back against him. That's why he got a smile on his face when Kendall flipped on him about the ships and that's why Tom, who is trying to come up, doesn't get Logan's love at all. Tom's too obsequious for that.

If Shaq shyt on Logan, Logan would respect him more. Riley respected Shaq less because he thought that Shaq pushing back meant that Shaq wasn't all about the team and the culture. Logan is less about the team and the culture and more about whether or not people have enough spine not to play Boar on the Floor.

 

[mastermind]

Roman is a pathetic boy who gets off on misery, no happy ending for him. He will be in the corner crying about his daddy for the rest of his life

Roman is gonna be a playboy who makes models dress like Estelle Getty from Golden Girls. He will be fine.

 

[RickyGQ]

I can see this, but Logan respects people who push back against him. That's why he got a smile on his face when Kendall flipped on him about the ships and that's why Tom, who is trying to come up, doesn't get Logan's love at all. Tom's too obsequious for that.

If Shaq shyt on Logan, Logan would respect him more. Riley respected Shaq less because he thought that Shaq pushing back meant that Shaq wasn't all about the team and the culture. Logan is less about the team and the culture and more about whether or not people have enough spine not to play Boar on the Floor.

Ok I can see that. Logan lived for the fight. The most alive we ever saw him was when people made a move against him and he got to fight back. My theory about him and Kendall’s relationship was that Kendall never fought to win. He fought for Logan’s approval and that bothered Logan so much. I think it was in season 3 after Kendall sold Logan down the river and Logan came to him and asked him what he wanted and Kendall gave the wrong answer. Logan couldn’t believe it. On some “you did all this for Daddy’s attention?!?”

Same shyt with the karaoke argument. They had him dead to rights and they asked for apologies and shyt. Billions of dollars at stake and they just wanted Daddy to be nice.

All this shyt was his fault though.