Official Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings Thread

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

F9 was supposed to be billon box office pre Covid. It did great in this environment (and had a China release and no streaming) , but is still a flop by pre covid standards.

Spider-Man doesn’t even have a trailer out at this point so that should tell how favorable this environment is.

Post COVID-19 standards I'd call that a success especially considering the fact that it didn't have streaming to rely on to help bump up the numbers. We're really going to have to change the terms of the meaning of the word "flop" because the days of billion dollar movies are over for the foreseeable future. That's why streaming is going to have to come into play to help with the numbers even if actors aren't a fan of it.

 

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It's coming to China, but it's just a matter of when and will the film still have any traction with the fans there once it's released. People keep bringing up Spiderman, when he will be just fine box office wise because of the hype and star power of the character. This movie nor The Eternals just doesn't have that and is depending on loyalty to the Marvel brand to drive people to watch it.

largely true but the Eternals does have star power and a named director on board.

the 2021 message to the MCU is clear: get Will Smith signed up.

 

[BillBanneker]

Post COVID-19 standards I'd call that a success especially considering the fact that it didn't have streaming to rely on to help bump up the numbers. We're really going to have to change the terms of the meaning of the word "flop" because the days of billion dollar movies are over for the foreseeable future. That's why streaming is going to have to come into play to help with the numbers even if actors aren't a fan of it.

That’s why I said pre covid. None of these movies were made based on a post covid budget.

Hobbs and Shaw made 760 million pre covid.

Fast 7 & 8 made 1.5 and 1.2 billion at the box office pre covid

And Spider-Man still doesn’t have even a trailer considering it’s a film with star power.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

largely true but the Eternals does have star power and a named director on board.

the 2021 message to the MCU is clear: get Will Smith signed up.

It has star power, but that necessarily equal box office draw as Scarlett Jo just showed you. Remember, Angelina Jolie's last big name film did worse than its predecessor.

I would have moved those two movies to Disney Plus shows or made them later films in Phase 4 instead of the first two considering the fact that they just aren't well known Marvel properties. Them moving their well known Marvel properties to Disney Plus has worked wonders for their subscriber numbers, but it's also created a problem where their theater numbers are going to struggle because of lack of familiarity with the characters.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

That’s why I said pre covid. None of these movies were made based on a post covid budget.

Hobbs and Shaw made 760 million pre covid.

Fast 7 & 8 made 1.5 and 1.2 billion at the box office pre covid

And Spider-Man still doesn’t have even a trailer considering it’s a film with star power.

Movie companies have tempered their expectations of box office performances because of COVID-19 pandemic. Those Shang Chi numbers are more than likely going to come in below Disney's post COVID-19 box office estimates. The fact that those toys are on clearance should tell you all you need to know that no one cares about the movie or that particular Marvel product.

You can argue it all you want, but that's not going to change that concept. They fukked up by not introducing the character beforehand and instead depending on Marvel loyalty to drive people to the theaters. Whether the movie succeeded or not, was mainly going to come from the Chinese audience and box office.

 

[BillBanneker]

Movie companies have tempered their expectations of box office performances because of COVID-19 pandemic. Those Shang Chi numbers are more than likely going to come in below Disney's post COVID-19 box office estimates. The fact that those toys are on clearance should tell you all you need to know that no one cares about the movie or that particular Marvel product.

You can argue it all you want, but that's not going to change that concept. They fukked up by not introducing the character beforehand and instead depending on Marvel loyalty to drive people to the theaters. Whether the movie succeeded or not, was mainly going to come from the Chinese audience and box office.

You’re going in circles with this. Covid is the biggest impediment for Shang Chi, if he was introduced earlier, but the solo film still comes out while a Covid variant is raging worldwide then the box office is going to be depressed regardless.

There’s still no Spider-Man trailer or updated release date for that exact reason.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

You’re going in circles with this. Covid is the biggest impediment for Shang Chi, if he was introduced earlier, but the solo film still comes out while a Covid variant is raging worldwide then the box office is going to be depressed regardless.

There’s still no Spider-Man trailer or updated release date for that exact reason.

Breh

It's going to be a long while before box office numbers go back to pre-COVID levels, so it's only going to be so long you can delay a movie and they will still come in below pre-COVID expectations. That's a fact and a lot of those future releases are going to have to come to that realization as well.

Disney came to that realization that the China market just wasn't going to be there for this film and is essentially chalking it up as an L at this point. Not to mention, those toys are taking up shelf space from products that would actually move units and make money.

 

[BillBanneker]

Breh

It's going to be a long while before box office numbers go back to pre-COVID levels, so it's only going to be so long you can delay a movie and they will still come in below pre-COVID expectations. That's a fact and a lot of those future releases are going to have to come to that realization as well.

But you were just saying that a High IP film with star power should do fine? So which is it?

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

But you were just saying that a High IP film with star power should do fine? So which is it?

Spiderman would do just fine in theaters current-covid compared to other films. Doesn't mean it would hit pre-covid levels, but it would do just fine to satisfy movie companies and their tempered expectations. That's why I used the example of F9 even as it didn't hit pre-covid expectations.

Have you never heard of the term revised estimates? That is something that a lot of companies have had to do due to covid. Those previous pre-covid estimates don't mean shyt anymore as they obviously aren't going to be met.

 

[BillBanneker]

Spiderman would do just fine in theaters current-covid compared to other films. Doesn't mean it would hit pre-covid levels, but it would do just fine to satisfy movie companies and their tempered expectations. That's why I used the example of F9 even as it didn't hit pre-covid expectations.

Have you never heard of the term revised estimates?

Sony obviously doesn’t think so. Your whole idea of “doing well” is misguided since the studios are maximize box office and doing just fine in your opinion still is terrible for them, just cause they write it off doesn’t indicate it’s good thing.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Sony obviously doesn’t think so. Your whole idea of “doing well” is misguided since the studios are maximize box office and doing just fine in your opinion still is terrible for them, just cause they write it off doesn’t indicate it’s good thing.

If Sony wants that film to hit previous COVID levels and projections, then they better be prepared to delay that film until at least late next year as Delta isn't going anywhere anytime soon especially with the winter months coming up.

Spiderman toys will move units regardless of when the film will be released, so they won't end up in batches on clearance like this film. So they have that luxury of still letting those toys hit the shelves as it's a strong IP compared to a property like Shang-Chi where people barely know of the character.

Besides, a trailer hasn't been released for the film yet because they're still in the process of actually filming it per the set photos posted a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Family Lives Matter]

I have zero interest in this and the main actor trying to act like the chinese is some under represented oppressed group just irks me more if I'm honest

 

[KillbertArenas]

You’re going in circles with this. Covid is the biggest impediment for Shang Chi, if he was introduced earlier, but the solo film still comes out while a Covid variant is raging worldwide then the box office is going to be depressed regardless.

There’s still no Spider-Man trailer or updated release date for that exact reason.

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[CHICAGO]

I LOVE THE WAY THEY
CALL THIS DUDE
"A MARVEL LEGEND"
IN THE COMMERCIAL
LIKE THATS SUPPOSED TO THE
MAKE CASUAL VIEWER GO


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[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

I LOVE THE WAY THEY
CALL THIS DUDE
"A MARVEL LEGEND"
IN THE COMMERCIAL
LIKE THATS SUPPOSED TO THE
MAKE CASUAL VIEWER GO


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Basically we are in uncharted territory with marvel. It will always be that way. The people who been rocking since 2008, and casuals.

A lot of day one people have fell back or moved on. Casuals are just that. Casuals.