The irony of a pandering comment os too much for me to handle so I will just laugh and go about my day
Official MCU Black Panther 2 Thread
@IVS I don't see what was funnyJust saw it, wow I don’t get the hate/critiques. That honestly might be the best marvel movie I saw, 3 hour run time and it didn’t drag on at all, fight scenes were dope! Namor was a fool, that special guest when shuri becomes the black panther was WOW. That death which starts the penultimate fight was, but I liked shuri as black panther in the end and liked how they used namor and the supporting characters to flesh the story out
Also the Chadwick beginning and end montage
Cat piss martini
Veteran
I forget that alot of you young men
are the same cats that love wrestling.
same cats screaming at the ring girl
for taking to long to get out the ring.
coli breh 1: fukk outta here whore!!!!!!
coli breh 2: facts breh.....bring on the wrestlers!!!!!
coli breh 1: red pill bytch!!!!......red pill!!!!!!!
coli breh 2: nobody wants to see that shyt!!!!
coli breh 1: were here for ripping muscles you c*nt!!!!
are the same cats that love wrestling.
same cats screaming at the ring girl
for taking to long to get out the ring.
coli breh 1: fukk outta here whore!!!!!!
coli breh 2: facts breh.....bring on the wrestlers!!!!!
coli breh 1: red pill bytch!!!!......red pill!!!!!!!
coli breh 2: nobody wants to see that shyt!!!!
coli breh 1: were here for ripping muscles you c*nt!!!!
Atsym Sknyfs
Superstar
They producer explained the different pronunciations was on purpose. It reflects how different cultures/dialects say the same word but pronounce it differently.
Just left. Good considering the circumstances. Didn't like the ending, and the shoehorning Latinos in looked like bullshyt to me. Missed the first 10 to 15 minutes, but I doubt that would change anything.
And Lupita looked amazing
the other option was japanese/asian ...
like he looks in the comics
First of Namor in the comics is the by-product of an Ship captain/Atlantean mother, so back in those days he would've been at the very least half white/half fantasy race. The way he is drawn, a lot of early comic book heroes and villain's were drawn like that, for example, golden age superman from the 1930s/40s cartoon. Making him latino I felt worked because of the connection culturally with how water is important to them in a mystic type of way (could've been native american too and that would've worked) I get the whole latino riding coattails of african americans (I'm looking at you Michelle and Gina Rodriguez) but I wouldn't call this movie an example of that.
Atsym Sknyfs
Superstar
T'challa wasnt there the entire time. Remember he got snapped. He was only there from after endgame until his death. It makes the most sense if He died before he found out and she told his mother (assuming the queens wasnt snapped). We know Shiri was snapped
They made them Latinos so they didn't have to use the tired trope of them being Atlantineans. It allows them to tap into a preexisting culture instead of making up a new one, and further confusing Namor with Aquaman.
etrofllenrod504
All Star
Weird I was telling my wife I thought it was a good movie. Prolly the best one MCU dropped this year but, I have zero interest to ever watch it again
Family Lives Matter
#FLM
I loved it and I'm a marvel hater 
Mid point lost me a little bit as wasn't a fan of iron heart but the first 40 mins were amazing and it had a solid landing
Mid point lost me a little bit as wasn't a fan of iron heart but the first 40 mins were amazing and it had a solid landing
That arguably makes it worse.
180 million for just the weekend or did open last Weds?
I'll check it out on Weds or Thurs...
I'll check it out on Weds or Thurs...
Khalil's_Black_Excellence
The King of Fighters
It really doesn't, considering you're taking issue with a drop in the water.
Kornball The Conqueror
Superstar
could be comparing total vs first weekend which makes no sense31% according to the The Hollywood Reporter
‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Box Office Records, Highlights and Takeaways
The Marvel Studios secured a record November opening at the domestic box office with $180 million, while launching to $330 million globally.www.hollywoodreporter.com
Her numbers are out of whack. The black demo for the first one was 37%
So slightly less whites and blacks but more latinos and asians
Family Lives Matter
#FLM
People arguing about the box office like they're making a single cent off it 
MischievousMonkey
Gor bu dëgër
Alright, just completed my second viewing. I'll be brief, sike.
The movie is exceptional. I choose my words carefully. Exceptional doesn't mean perfect. But among MCU movies in particular, this one, like its prequel and even moreso, represents an exception. It is much deeper and more grounded in several ways: its plot, its theme and the cultures it calls on the screen all add many layers to a flick that becomes much more than a regular superhero movie.
The way they integrated the real-life passing of Chadwick Boseman in the movie's main narrative was genius. Not only was it executed tastefully and in a manner that felt genuine and non-exploitative, that decision opened doors to deal with the theme of grief that I've never seen in cinema before. The actors grieve and it informs their performance (all amazing), and you as a viewer lowkey grieve too, because even though you didn't know the man, you know of him what he gave to you as his audience throughout his career and as a Black Panther. So the experience ends up being communal, inside the theatre room and through the screen as well, in a way I've never experienced before. That's why you can hear a pin drop in the room when the silent Marvel title card comes on. That's part of why this movie is not only exceptional among MCU movies, but among all other movies as well. What other movie dealt with such a loss in this manner, enriching itself like this in the process? I don't know any.
The story is excellent and well-written, and its relationship with the characters is strong. There were a lot of ideas I liked, especially when it comes to Shuri, who got through tremendous character development and became one of the most interesting in the MCU for me who didn't care much about her at all.
The scope of the movie expands considerably, horizontally and vertically, as the weight of T'Challa's hard decision to reveal Wakanda to the world in the prequel brings in many new entities, known and unknown. The geopolitical aspects were among my favorite narrative threads. The prequel also dealt with geopolitics but it focused more on the dilemma between self-preservation/hostility and openness/partnership, on an international scale. It was no question that Wakanda had the vibranium and the strength, it was moreso about how it should use it and the place the country should hold in the global world. This one is about resources and the consequences of having them for vulnerable nations. Here again, real-world situations echo throughout the plot as nations agressively compete for vibranium and try to take advantage of the Black Panther's death to get a leg up in the race. The snide French attack on Wakanda's advanced outpost in Mali was chef's kiss parallelism 
Same thing for the US scouring the deep waters for vibranium and preparing sneaky destabilization plans for Wakanda.
It's in this context, in addition to the historical weight of the politics and human behaviors he witnessed for like 500 years, that Namor really shines.
All this smoothie of real-life and fictional historical and modern day events that are intertwined with each other and inform the characters' beliefs and actions could have not been achieved if Coogler did not have what I think is the 2nd genius idea of this movie, rooting Namor and his people in Ancient Mayan civilization. It brought so much to the movie. Not only it gave a unique spin to something we've seen numerous times and not too long ago in Aquaman, it wasn't here just to be pretty. It strengthened the plot and the themes of the movie tremendously, while adding yet another cultural layer to a movie that already had several. The balancing act was successful too because Wakanda wasn't in the background. We've seen even more of it, which was my sole expectation, and what they showed was dope. Between the water drums that acted as a coded padlock for the gates, the AI named GRIOT, the drippy asf River Tribe pulling up to the UN with the single synthetic braid, the Wakandan first-aiders units in their yellow suits and kufis, the Royal Ship that looks like a giant floating African mask seen from below (the scene where it pulls Chadwick's coffin and glides away at the beginning stunned me), Wakandan funeral rites, their scientific dress and tools, the different designs for their military aircrafts, fire, fire, fire. To me, it's the other thing that propels these movies above the rest, their take on different real cultures mixed with fantasy elements is something that you rarely see on screen but looks so dope and fresh it can only help expand your mind, especially as a fellow artist.
In terms of action and visuals, the movie really stepped up compared to the first one. Many more action scenes with much better choreographies. The fight between Okoye and the Talochian squad on the bridge was fire. That slowmo when a water bomb sent Okoye's car and Shuri flying was
The way Namor moved was great too. He didn't fly à la Superman, he looked like he was rollerskating in the air and attacking like an insect, almost. The CGI was solid most of the time and in line with what the MCU does these days. There were a couple of moments where you could feel the green screen presence, but not anymore than in other Marvel stuff. The direction was great and Ryan Coogler did his famous one-take scene just as smoothly as ever. I would even say he adventured into some horror during the introduction of the Talochians, and it worked. The sudden disappearance of the diver under water, the heads floating in formation on the surface... Even the siren song's effect was chilling, and seeing all those people kill themselves and fall down in the black depths, just lit up by the moonlight This arc we're in of Black folks doing horror is dope.
I briefly touched on the actors' performances but I'll come back to it again: they were stellar. The throne scene was
Angela Basset reminded me of the mom that ethers you by spitting facts on facts on facts, to the point you can't even say nothing of substance and just have to take it (loved the fact she brought up her siding with Killmonger, showing it wasn't just forgotten and left scars, especially with T'Challa's passing). Danai Gurira in that scene (and in general) was amazing too. Letitia Wright stepped up to the occasion and was great. When Shuri got mad at M'Baku and told her she wanted Namor dead and he was about to help with no discussion 
Winston Duke was just as excellent as in the first one and showed even more nuance with his character. I thought it was my first time seeing Dominique Thorne but afterwards I realized she was in Judas and the Black Messiah, another role she killed, so I'm not surprised she was great here too. Tenoch De La Huerta, Lupita Nyong'o, fantastic as well. Solid performances all around.
The score was good too. It didn't leave me as strong an impression as in the prequel, even though I liked how they integrated the background music from the movie's playlist into some scenes.
I found some parts meh. Not bad, but meh. I was very curious about Riri Williams and I still am, but the segment around her in Boston felt like it could have been executed better, imho. I think the jokes just missed me and even if it helped display her personality which I like, I wish it gave more of her normal non-agitated self to us, which the rest of the movie fortunately did. Didn't like the trope of the "spelling out equation and theorems' names to show you I'm smart" neither. I tolerate it for Peter Parker, but I guess it's because they execute it better at this point by at least giving it an interesting outcome in the form of a joke or an unexpected action scene. Just a detail but hey.
CIA Colonizer Ross parts were aight too. He was necessary to the narrative and didn't take away from it, but didn't add much neither. The ex-wife did nothing for me but I don't know her character. Does she appear in some Disney+ series I skipped?
Last part that I found was below the rest was the inclusion of Aneka. I get it, Disney has an explicit agenda to include LGBT+ characters in its products. But that last scene kiss shyt gotta stop. She was almost totally absent from the movie besides two brief fights and her being in the aircraft with Shuri when Namor attacks Wakanda (in such way I couldn't even tell what she was doing in there. Was she piloting? Shooting? Or was that Shuri?). I don't have an issue with her forming a couple with Ayo (ironic name in this situation
), it makes sense (we all know how it goes down in female sports, imagine an all-female warrior unit) but damn, give them more to work with if you want this to come off as genuine.
I think I'll cut it here, I have many other thoughts but I don't want to be too wordy.
Also probably gonna be my last post, at least for a while, because for as many cool folks there definitely are on this forum, there are almost as many people stuck on stupid and just weirdo shyt in general, and sometimes it looks like the patients are running the asylum. I started posting here hoping to avoid the weird internet politics festering a little bit everywhere only to find them simmering here too, even, or especially, when it comes to race. The fact that this movie brings out so much insecurity and insane takes out of this forum shows, among many other topics, that I was misguided thinking it would be different in the first place.
The movie is exceptional. I choose my words carefully. Exceptional doesn't mean perfect. But among MCU movies in particular, this one, like its prequel and even moreso, represents an exception. It is much deeper and more grounded in several ways: its plot, its theme and the cultures it calls on the screen all add many layers to a flick that becomes much more than a regular superhero movie.
The way they integrated the real-life passing of Chadwick Boseman in the movie's main narrative was genius. Not only was it executed tastefully and in a manner that felt genuine and non-exploitative, that decision opened doors to deal with the theme of grief that I've never seen in cinema before. The actors grieve and it informs their performance (all amazing), and you as a viewer lowkey grieve too, because even though you didn't know the man, you know of him what he gave to you as his audience throughout his career and as a Black Panther. So the experience ends up being communal, inside the theatre room and through the screen as well, in a way I've never experienced before. That's why you can hear a pin drop in the room when the silent Marvel title card comes on. That's part of why this movie is not only exceptional among MCU movies, but among all other movies as well. What other movie dealt with such a loss in this manner, enriching itself like this in the process? I don't know any.
The story is excellent and well-written, and its relationship with the characters is strong. There were a lot of ideas I liked, especially when it comes to Shuri, who got through tremendous character development and became one of the most interesting in the MCU for me who didn't care much about her at all.
One of them is the back door for anger and bloodthirst they created in her character really helped in differentiating her from those that preceded her, and allowed, in a way, to let part of Killmonger live through her in those emotions that mirror his. Same thing for T'Challa and forgiveness. I wonder if they'll explore that aspect of her (angry, vengeful) in later movies.
Same thing for the US scouring the deep waters for vibranium and preparing sneaky destabilization plans for Wakanda.But T'Challa's decision did not have only negative impacts. A Wakandan teaches children in Haïti how to use their own resources to grow food. Wakanda puts itself on the line to protect a young African American scientist, whereas it would have hung her out to dry or even killed her before and even Killmonger recognizes it.
His motives and understanding of the situations presented to him make perfect sense. His ancestors were killed, displaced, forced into servitude when the colonizers laid their eyes on their lands and resources, so he's terrified of Talokan and its vibranium being discovered in this day and age (plus it's not like his people can even blend in with those on the surface). So he's more than happy to live hidden in a country no one knows about, like Wakanda before. But T'Challa's decision to reveal the country changed the whole game and sent the entire world at his door. Now they got machines that detect vibranium under water. So he knows it's only a matter of time before Christo Colombus episode 2.
I already talked about Shuri's decision to spare Namor here:
But I want to add that you can see her keen political instinct even before. When she talks with Namor, she is firm in her decision that she can't stand for Namor killing Riri; but she also offers another peaceful alternative (that Namor then twists into an alliance to get into war).
When Nakia comes to rescue her, she understands immediately that killing Namor's people in a sneak attack will mean war, even though she fails to save the guard.
That has nothing to do with forgiveness imo. That was the best strategic move for Wakanda.
She proved that her side was much better during battle and burned dude to a crisp. She kills him, and like M'Baku said, they get stuck in a drawn-out war with an unknown nation so familiar with vibranium that they can create suns under water. WHILE other countries all over the world try to attack them because they know they're weak at the moment. With her knowing she doesn't have much fighting experience yet.
Killing him would have felt good but would have been stupid asf, and no competent leader would have done this.
On the other hand, she whoops him and forces him to yield, and that allows time for Wakanda to heal their wounds, step up their game and create a new potential ally if shyt turns sour when it comes to other forces. Not only can they boast a victory and moral superiority over Talokan, they can threaten them to do whatever they want because Talokan, contrarily to Wakanda everybody knows about, is scared asf to be discovered.
Shuri overall felt like the best strategist we've seen as a Black Panther (compared to T'Challa's pops, T'Challa and Killmonger)She can't fight yet but her smarts are up there. She figured out her enemy's weakness after one battle. Her plan to attract Namor, isolate him and dry him out, while preventing his crew from bringing in reinforcements with the submarine sonic disruptor was smart asf and worked. I know some folks said it was stupid to fight dude in the water but it was key to bringing him out. He never expected that and would have never stepped out in other conditions, plus she had countermeasures prepared. When she realized she couldn't whoop him in an enclosed space she thought about bringing him in the desert immediately. The way she used the reactor from the broken ship to put him on fire was great too.
I was impressed.
When Nakia comes to rescue her, she understands immediately that killing Namor's people in a sneak attack will mean war, even though she fails to save the guard.
All this smoothie of real-life and fictional historical and modern day events that are intertwined with each other and inform the characters' beliefs and actions could have not been achieved if Coogler did not have what I think is the 2nd genius idea of this movie, rooting Namor and his people in Ancient Mayan civilization. It brought so much to the movie. Not only it gave a unique spin to something we've seen numerous times and not too long ago in Aquaman, it wasn't here just to be pretty. It strengthened the plot and the themes of the movie tremendously, while adding yet another cultural layer to a movie that already had several. The balancing act was successful too because Wakanda wasn't in the background. We've seen even more of it, which was my sole expectation, and what they showed was dope. Between the water drums that acted as a coded padlock for the gates, the AI named GRIOT, the drippy asf River Tribe pulling up to the UN with the single synthetic braid, the Wakandan first-aiders units in their yellow suits and kufis, the Royal Ship that looks like a giant floating African mask seen from below (the scene where it pulls Chadwick's coffin and glides away at the beginning stunned me), Wakandan funeral rites, their scientific dress and tools, the different designs for their military aircrafts, fire, fire, fire. To me, it's the other thing that propels these movies above the rest, their take on different real cultures mixed with fantasy elements is something that you rarely see on screen but looks so dope and fresh it can only help expand your mind, especially as a fellow artist.
In terms of action and visuals, the movie really stepped up compared to the first one. Many more action scenes with much better choreographies. The fight between Okoye and the Talochian squad on the bridge was fire. That slowmo when a water bomb sent Okoye's car and Shuri flying was
The way Namor moved was great too. He didn't fly à la Superman, he looked like he was rollerskating in the air and attacking like an insect, almost. The CGI was solid most of the time and in line with what the MCU does these days. There were a couple of moments where you could feel the green screen presence, but not anymore than in other Marvel stuff. The direction was great and Ryan Coogler did his famous one-take scene just as smoothly as ever. I would even say he adventured into some horror during the introduction of the Talochians, and it worked. The sudden disappearance of the diver under water, the heads floating in formation on the surface... Even the siren song's effect was chilling, and seeing all those people kill themselves and fall down in the black depths, just lit up by the moonlight This arc we're in of Black folks doing horror is dope.I briefly touched on the actors' performances but I'll come back to it again: they were stellar. The throne scene was
Angela Basset reminded me of the mom that ethers you by spitting facts on facts on facts, to the point you can't even say nothing of substance and just have to take it (loved the fact she brought up her siding with Killmonger, showing it wasn't just forgotten and left scars, especially with T'Challa's passing). Danai Gurira in that scene (and in general) was amazing too. Letitia Wright stepped up to the occasion and was great. When Shuri got mad at M'Baku and told her she wanted Namor dead and he was about to help with no discussion Winston Duke was just as excellent as in the first one and showed even more nuance with his character. I thought it was my first time seeing Dominique Thorne but afterwards I realized she was in Judas and the Black Messiah, another role she killed, so I'm not surprised she was great here too. Tenoch De La Huerta, Lupita Nyong'o, fantastic as well. Solid performances all around.The score was good too. It didn't leave me as strong an impression as in the prequel, even though I liked how they integrated the background music from the movie's playlist into some scenes.
I found some parts meh. Not bad, but meh. I was very curious about Riri Williams and I still am, but the segment around her in Boston felt like it could have been executed better, imho. I think the jokes just missed me and even if it helped display her personality which I like, I wish it gave more of her normal non-agitated self to us, which the rest of the movie fortunately did. Didn't like the trope of the "spelling out equation and theorems' names to show you I'm smart" neither. I tolerate it for Peter Parker, but I guess it's because they execute it better at this point by at least giving it an interesting outcome in the form of a joke or an unexpected action scene. Just a detail but hey.
CIA Colonizer Ross parts were aight too. He was necessary to the narrative and didn't take away from it, but didn't add much neither. The ex-wife did nothing for me but I don't know her character. Does she appear in some Disney+ series I skipped?
Last part that I found was below the rest was the inclusion of Aneka. I get it, Disney has an explicit agenda to include LGBT+ characters in its products. But that last scene kiss shyt gotta stop. She was almost totally absent from the movie besides two brief fights and her being in the aircraft with Shuri when Namor attacks Wakanda (in such way I couldn't even tell what she was doing in there. Was she piloting? Shooting? Or was that Shuri?). I don't have an issue with her forming a couple with Ayo (ironic name in this situation
), it makes sense (we all know how it goes down in female sports, imagine an all-female warrior unit) but damn, give them more to work with if you want this to come off as genuine.I think I'll cut it here, I have many other thoughts but I don't want to be too wordy.
Also probably gonna be my last post, at least for a while, because for as many cool folks there definitely are on this forum, there are almost as many people stuck on stupid and just weirdo shyt in general, and sometimes it looks like the patients are running the asylum. I started posting here hoping to avoid the weird internet politics festering a little bit everywhere only to find them simmering here too, even, or especially, when it comes to race. The fact that this movie brings out so much insecurity and insane takes out of this forum shows, among many other topics, that I was misguided thinking it would be different in the first place.
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