But Trae Young DOES have these measurables and gifts...
6'2, 180lb PG who is knocked for lack of speed, quick burst, and length to defend.
Doncic is fukked, but Trae got it on lock.
Okay.
Trae will be better than Luka long term... Literally nobody believes this other than maybe you and 2 other people on this entire forum. And you have no evidence for this type of outrageous claim. It's you just making things up without anything to hang your hat on.
Easier to build around? Again, literally nobody believes this. Again, you have no evidence for this type of logic. It's just made up fantasy. Pretty much every team would rather build around a 6'7 position fluid SF who can play point guard than a 6'2, 180lb PG who doesn't shoot lights out or have the athleticism of a Wall or Westbrook or Fox.
And wtf is "prototype is higher" mean exactly? Let me guess, you just randomly attach some players' names to these guys and say THERE YOU GO, THAT'S THEIR CEILING!
Ahhh. Okay. So Trae's "prototype" is Steve Nash or Isaiah Thomas. Even though he plays nothing like them. And Nash was a member of the 50-40-90 club, which Trae probably will never be. There's no shame in that, as 99.99% of NBA players will never be in the 50-40-90 club. But that's his "prototype," according to you... Gotcha
I'm curious, what is Doncic's prototype?
When I mentioned old man flabby game like Harden, Pierce, or Ginobli for similarities in Doncic's play, you shot all those down.
So, again, who/what is Doncic's prototype then? Mario Hezonja? Larry Bird without the length? Luka is a gimped, knock-off version of a player and has severe deficiencies. But Trae Young is the full Nash or Thomas "prototype."
This is why I brought up Geno Smith/Tom Brady. You literally have no basis for the claims you make. You just flat out make shyt up. You fantasize and bend the truth for Trae, but then you're intellectually dishonest about Luka.
:lolwtf:
Luka is tied for 13th in the Association with 5.9 FTAs per game. He scores more PPG than Trae. He shoots a higher FG%, 3PT%, and consequentially, a higher eFG%.
And of course, the patented Eye Test. One guy takes over games and consistently has highlight reel moments. The other guy is a role player on his team, at best.
Stop perpetuating your predictions and "prototypes" as facts. They're not.
Trae Young is a fukking true PG. He is not suppose to be 7ft with a 7'4 wingspan. He has a 6'3 wingspan, Steph and CP3 has a 6'4 wingspan. Zeke had a 6'2 wingspan. Trae has good lateral quickness. He can stay in front of his man but most can't keep him in front of them. Trae issue on defense is mainly consistency, off the ball D, PnR D, you know, shyt that nikkas who never had to play D till this level struggle with but he's improving of late.
Trae got a quick burst and great quickness. Just about every NBA coach said it. shyt, hear Mr. Coach Carlisle on Trae Young.
How is it an outrageous claim? I explained to you in the last post why I think he has more potential. Because for his prototype, I see major athletic and physical limitations that I don't see from Trae for his position. It's that simple. I don't know how else to say it. Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't make it incorrect.
He's not even developed yet. He is still learning the pro game and improving. You don't understand what potential means is the issue. I mean, I could have said D. Fox would be much better than D. Mitchell and you would say, not possible. Look at what Mitch is doing. Well, a year later, it's looking like Fox is ahead and will never fall behind again. It's all about their prototype. For Luka's prototype, I see issues. I've explained my issues. Why do you keep running around my points and to point your when I clearly stated what I am talking about.
Luka is defined in the same categories with LeBron, Hedu, Lamar Odom, Larry Bird, and Pippen.
That's this:
The guy positionless basketball is named after basically: Can function as a ball handler, versatile defensively and does at least 2 of the following: quality spot up shooter, good vision, good rebounder OR
Category 1: Two-Way Primary Initiators (Prototype: LeBron James)
Category 10: Offensive Skilled Combo-Forwards (Prototype: Danilo Gallinari)
You don't know what prototype is?
There are varying types at each position
Point guard:
1: All about setting up teammates, running offense, maximizing his 5 man unit. Often great vision. Ex: Chris Paul, Ricky Rubio, Milos Teodosis
2: The score first guard who's biggest asset is his ability to score and how it opens up offense because he's such a threat. Some do it through their threat of their J(Steph Curry), others through slashing(Westbrook) and some as a hybrid(Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker).
3: The swiss army knife. Equally adept playing on or off the ball and doing a bunch of different things Ex: George Hill, Malcolm Brogdon, Kyle Lowry
4: The defensive oriented PG. Primarily a PG for defensive purposes with limitations in offensive skill set Ex: Pat Beverley, Shaun Livingston, Cory Joseph
SG:
1: The off ball shooting demon: Primary role is as a spot up threat and working off screens. Ex: JJ Redikk, Kyle Korver, Klay Thompson
2: The shot creator. Looking to get buckets for himself at his core Ex: Nick Young, DeMar DeRozan, Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford
3: The secondary ball handler: Guy who can serve as a de facto point guard and is a hybrid of 1 and 2 to some extent Examples: Austin Rivers, Victor Oladipo, Tyler Johnson
4: The versatile wing: Can guard 1-3 even 1-4 at times. Ex: Danny Green, Marcus Smart, Khris Middleton, Josh Richardson
5: 3 and D wing: Does those two thing specifically very well that's his greatest value. Ex: Wesley Matthews, Courtney Lee, E'Twaun Moore, Danny Green
Small Forward:
1: The guy positionless basketball is named after basically: Can function as a ball handler, versatile defensively and does at least 2 of the following: quality spot up shooter, good vision, good rebounder
Ex: LeBron, Giannis, Joe Ingles, Gordon Hayward, Jimmy Butler, Andre Iguodala
2: The defensive specialist: Biggest strength is to take on toughest opponent scoring responsibilities. Ex: Luc Richard Mbah Moute, Andre Roberson, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Tony Allen(if we count him as a 3)
3: 3 and D: Those two things specifically are what define his value
Ex: Jae Crowder, Trevor Ariza, Robert Covington
4: The Bucket getter: Specifically excels at ISO ball and just getting those shots for you in key moments
Ex: Harrison Barnes, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson(although he's kind of a 4 at this stage)
Power Forward:
1: The converted small forward: Once a 3 who just made the transition to a 4 pretty readily and naturally. Often versatile with a passable 3 pointer
Ex: Al Farouq Aminu, Thad Young, Marcus Morris(kind of he still plays some 3), Marvin Williams
2: The Small Ball 5: Tries to mimic prototype 1 for this in many ways and gives lineup flexibility. Often incredibly versatile players Ex: Draymond Green, Pat Patterson
3: High low facilitators: Guys who have significant value as passers you can funnel offense through Ex: Blake Griffin, Al Horford(when he was at the 4), Boris Diaw, Julius Randle, Kevin Love
4: Guys you want to play at the 5 more but cant really becuase of either defensive, rim protecting or rebounding issues
Ex: Myles Turner, Ryan Anderson, Frank Kaminsky, Blake Griffin, Zach Randolph
Center:
1: The Defensive Mobile Ace: Can switch on the perimeter comfortably and be very aggressive in pick and roll defense Ex: DeAndre Jordan, Nerlens Noel, Cody Zeller, Steven Adams
2: The Rim protector and rebounder: Best glued closer to the rim Ex: Hassan Whiteside, Rudy Gobert, Pau Gasol
4: The energy guy. Energizer bunny makes his living just out working people very often especially on the boards. All about the team willing to make sacrifices Ex: Robin Lopez, Bismack Biyomobo(at his peak level), Joakim Noah(at his peak)
5: Pick and pop guy. floor spacing big part of his value Ex: Meyers Leonard, Moe Speights, Frank Kaminsky
6: Offensive freak: Generational type talent you can build an offense around potentially Ex: Karl Anthony Towns, DeMarcus Cousins, Joel Embiid
7) The post up guy: Still makes a big part of his living in the post beating up smaller guys especially. Ex: Jonas Valanciunas, Al Jefferson, Jahil Okafor, Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe
OR
Lead Guards
Category 1: Generational Two-Way Scheme-Changers (Prototype: Chris Paul)
Category 2: Outlier Athleticism/Tools (Prototype: Russell Westbrook)
Category 3: Offensive Scheme-Changers (Prototype: Damian Lillard)
Category 4: Two-Way Skilled + Shooting Threats (Prototype: Kyle Lowry)
Category 5: Defensive Tools + Non-Shooters (Prototype: Ricky Rubio)
Category 6: Dribble-Drivers (Prototype: Goran Dragic)
Category 7: 3&D Plus Initiation (Prototype: George Hill)
Category 8: Creative Passers who can score at a high rate (Prototype: Zeke Thomas)
Category 8: Elite Playmakers (Prototype: Steve Nash)
Wings
Category 1: Two-Way Primary Initiators (Prototype: LeBron James)
Category 2: Primary Scorers/Self Creators (Prototype: Kevin Durant)
Category 3: Two-Way Swiss Army Knife Playmakers (Prototype: Gordon Hayward)
Category 4: 3&D Plus (Prototype: Klay Thompson)
Category 5: 3&D Versatile (Prototype: Jae Crowder)
Category 6: 3&D Perimeter/Point of Attack (Prototype: Danny Green)
Category 7: Two-Way Secondary Handlers (Prototype: Avery Bradley)
Category 8: Offensive/Scoring Secondary Handlers (Prototype: CJ McCollum)
Category 9: Defensive Versatile (Prototype: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)
Category 10: Offensive Skilled Combo-Forwards (Prototype: Danilo Gallinari)
Category 11: Wing Fours (Prototype: Harrison Barnes)
Category 12: 1 Position Defenders + 1 Skill Shooters (Prototype: JJ Redikk)
Fours
Category 1: Two-Way Playmakers (Prototype: Draymond Green)
Category 2: Offensive Playmakers (Prototype: Kevin Love)
Category 3: Skilled + Stretch (Prototype: Patrick Patterson)
Category 4: Face Up Handlers With Low Defense/Feel Floors (Prototype: Markieff Morris)
Category 5: Energy + Motor (Prototype: Kenneth Faried)
Fives
Category 1: Two-Way Playmakers (Prototype: Karl Towns)
Category 2: Outlier Athleticism/Tools (Prototype: Anthony Davis)
Category 3: Unicorns (Prototype: Kristaps Porzingis)
Category 4: Defense + Passing/Non-Scorers (Prototype: Joakim Noah)
Category 5: Defense + Energy/Lob Catchers (Prototype: Tristan Thompson)
Category 6: Traditional Offensive Bucket-Getters (Prototype: Brook Lopez)
I didn't shoot down none of those guys down. I just shot down the idea that he's like Harden athletically. Harden always had a lot more athleticism in terms of quickness and speed even at Artesia and ASU.
Your trolling at this point and grasping for straws. Geno comparison was made because Geno was an excellent intermediate passer. Now clearly I didn't see the tape to see that he had a slow mental clock, could only make one read, and just didn't have any talent outside of just throwing the football. I watched game highlights that season. That's why college football scouting is hard. I watched the same DX tape on Giannis and said, he can be special and watched the games. I saw his talent. shyt don't always translate. I don't even make assessments anymore unless I watched the games and watched the player in action. The whole youtube and message board opinions aren't good enough anymore with my take as an added plus. As I said, your trolling. I have said what my basis is for Trae and why I stated it. Why are you being so defiant?
"Luka is tied for 13th in the Association with 5.9 FTAs per game. He scores more PPG than Trae. He shoots a higher FG%, 3PT%, and consequentially, a higher eFG%."
Luka is better than Trae right now, I mean he is in the top 50 of my metrics and Trae is in the bottom 250 in the same metrics. There is a lot of data you can use to say Luka is better right now than Trae. No one is debating that at this point. Do you want a cookie?
"And of course, the patented Eye Test. One guy takes over games and consistently has highlight reel moments. The other guy is a role player on his team, at best."
The eye test is why I am saying what I am saying man. Damn, where have you been Codeine man? Come on son.
"Stop perpetuating your predictions and "prototypes" as facts."
I never said my opinions are facts. I've clearly stated them as opinions. As for prototypes I posted them.
Luka has the HARDEST prototype in the NBA to be great in my opinion. You have to be at an athletic level I don't see Luka being in.
Let's say Luka is a center. He doesn't have to be athletic at all to be elite. If he was 6'11 with his abilities and frame, he could be GOAT. But at his position which is a perimeter based position, tools and measurables matter. I just don't see them on Luka. That's my quip. Can you argue v. that? If you can't or you want to say, look at Harden, I will have to disagree. He is not anywhere near Harden's league athletically.
Now, I've said, Trae's prototype is Zeke and Steve Nash potentially. I've explained exactly why. What is so hard about this? It's not like I am saying there is a magic calculus formula to why I think Trae will have more impact and be a better player to build around over Luka than just simply breaking down of game tape. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand?
cause yall fukked up another draft pick
damnnn
