Official Luka Doncic Will Be A Bust Thread

[Reid2Achieve]

Who didn't want to stay in Atlanta

We got a top 5 pick anyway, we combine that with the luka pick, we possibly get Zion, what is better than that?

Knowing the Hawks they would get the #1 pick and draft RJ Barrett instead of Zion


I’m legit angry at that organization because I live in Atlanta and occasionally go to Hawks games and wanted Chris Paul, wanted Mike Conley (Horford turned out good, admittedly), wanted Luka Doncic, etc they just never draft the obvious star in front of them. Who was the last star the Hawks drafted outside of Al Horford?

 

[#1 pick]

If luka can't get you to the playoffs, then its a better pick for the hawks, we don't give a shyt, that is y'all problem, as long as y'all don't fall to bottom 5(lottery withstanding), that is our pick

Luka is not easy to build around. Trae is a lot easier. We know we need high level 3 and D wings. We know we need stud active bigs. We got one in Collins but we are lacking one at center.

What I want is obviously Zion but if we Reddish or R.J. and another wing like Culver or Okpala or Little. Then sign a center like Vonleh, Vecevic or Cousins depending how he plays with GS and fit. We would be good. We are in a good position. Got the most important position on lock for the future. Just continue to build.

Dallas got a lot of cap space but who will they sign with it? They should resign their players but are they good enough for the long run. I do believe you can build a contender around Doncic like Jokic but Denver had years of tanking to get guys in the draft. Dallas is going to fight an uphill battle. They did it with Dirk but this ain't the same NBA. They are not in a good position to me. LAC is in a better position long term. So is many teams in the West. I see Dallas in a better position than NO or Minny but they aren't close to contender and they are not close to rebuilding either. If anything, this would have been a good rebuilding draft to add another player next to Luka.

I just like our position. Now obviously where we land in the draft matters. Getting one of the Duke three matters. Dallas getting a lottery pick for us matters. But we are in a good position. We got room for a max contract and we got good young players. I like our position long term. I feel that Dallas fans should like there too. You got a franchise player in Luka. That's 50% of the puzzle.

 

[#1 pick]

His experience is an advantage, yes, but he can still refine his game by improving everything including his body/conditioning and increasing his usage.

A ceiling of a playmaking Melo is basically Larry Bird btw...

His experience is a massive advantage. No rookie we have seen since Duncan has been this NBA ready to help you win right now. Not one player.

 

[#1 pick]

His experience is an advantage, yes, but he can still refine his game by improving everything including his body/conditioning and increasing his usage.

A ceiling of a playmaking Melo is basically Larry Bird btw...

He doesn't have Melo scoring ceiling. His ceiling is being what Kobe is to MJ but to Bird. He has the skills but he doesn't have the 6'11 height Bird had. He doesn't have the speed or length Bird had. Just doesn't have the physical tools. Same for Kobe in comparison to MJ. MJ had the hands, length and physical advantages Kobe just never had. Kobe might have been more skilled but he didn't have those advantages and showed in his analytics.

Luka is special, no doubt about it. But he's not Bron or nothing close to Bron. Bron really didn't know how to play pro ball as a rookie. He was playing off of his God driven abilities and had to learn how to be a pro. Luka been a pro since 2015. Not the same.

 

[jwinfield]

@jwinfield

He is being condescending.

He is one of the leaders of the Luka is going to be a bust gang.

Read thru the thread breh.

I know he is, that's why I had the

Oh, is he Ben Simmons? they complaining about him too

 

[Reid2Achieve]

He doesn't have Melo scoring ceiling. His ceiling is being what Kobe is to MJ but to Bird. He has the skills but he doesn't have the 6'11 height Bird had. He doesn't have the speed or length Bird had. Just doesn't have the physical tools. Same for Kobe in comparison to MJ. MJ had the hands, length and physical advantages Kobe just never had. Kobe might have been more skilled but he didn't have those advantages and showed in his analytics.

Luka is special, no doubt about it. But he's not Bron or nothing close to Bron. Bron really didn't know how to play pro ball as a rookie. He was playing off of his God driven abilities and had to learn how to be a pro. Luka been a pro since 2015. Not the same.

Ok, so do you think it is out of the question for Luka to be averaging 24 pts 7 rebs and 7 assists on 48/36/80 shooting splits in 2-3 years? He’s been basically putting that up in the last 7 or so games...

Sooo imagine if the Hawks had that... they would have a special marquee player with charisma/swagger to put butts in seats and likely another high lottery pick player or two because the rest of the team is stripped down.

The whole point of drafting in the lottery is getting the chance of that type of player. That is literally Hinkie’s “Process”, getting the most chances at landing superstars. I get that the Hawks are trying to play the long game and plan on tanking for a couple years but this past draft will probably ultimately get the GM fired.

 

[#1 pick]

Ok, so do you think it is out of the question for Luka to be averaging 24 pts 7 rebs and 7 assists on 48/36/80 shooting splits in 2-3 years? He’s been basically putting that up in the last 7 or so games...

Sooo imagine if the Hawks had that... they would have a special marquee player with charisma/swagger to put butts in seats and likely another high lottery pick player or two because the rest of the team is stripped down.

The whole point of drafting in the lottery is getting the chance of that type of player. That is literally Hinkie’s “Process”, getting the most chances at landing superstars. I get that the Hawks are trying to play the long game and plan on tanking for a couple years but this past draft will probably ultimately get the GM fired.

Its possible in two years he could have those splits and its possible in four years as well. He is highly polished. His shooting isn't that great and I really think he will struggle the minute teams adjust to his game.

We got Trae. We feel great about him. His 19/9/3.5 per36 is elite for a rookie true PG.

CP3 - 16/8/5
Stockton - 11/10/2.5
Kidd - 12.5/8.4/5.8
Payton - 9.4/8.5/4
Curry- 17.4/6/4.4
Nash- 11.2/7.3/3
Zeke- 18.1/8.4/3.1

Trae is putting up some of the best rookie PG raw numbers we have seen. Now clearly he is raw and has a lot to work on but Trae is an elite talent. He might be below average as a starter at this stage but his potential is sky high.

Doncic ain't bringing fans into Atlanta like that. He is not the type of player fans like here.

 

[#1 pick]

Knowing the Hawks they would get the #1 pick and draft RJ Barrett instead of Zion


I’m legit angry at that organization because I live in Atlanta and occasionally go to Hawks games and wanted Chris Paul, wanted Mike Conley (Horford turned out good, admittedly), wanted Luka Doncic, etc they just never draft the obvious star in front of them. Who was the last star the Hawks drafted outside of Al Horford?

Different ownership group. They should have drafted Deron or Paul

 

[Reid2Achieve]

Its possible in two years he could have those splits and its possible in four years as well. He is highly polished. His shooting isn't that great and I really think he will struggle the minute teams adjust to his game.

We got Trae. We feel great about him. His 19/9/3.5 per36 is elite for a rookie true PG.

CP3 - 16/8/5
Stockton - 11/10/2.5
Kidd - 12.5/8.4/5.8
Payton - 9.4/8.5/4
Curry- 17.4/6/4.4
Nash- 11.2/7.3/3
Zeke- 18.1/8.4/3.1

Trae is putting up some of the best rookie PG raw numbers we have seen. Now clearly he is raw and has a lot to work on but Trae is an elite talent. He might be below average as a starter at this stage but his potential is sky high.

Doncic ain't bringing fans into Atlanta like that. He is not the type of player fans like here.

Luka’s shooting isn’t that great? At least it’s passable... what is Trae shooting?? Both can obviously improve their shooting but I don’t see anything on the court that Trae can do now or in the future that Luka can’t. And I like Trae and what he can be if he can start at least hitting open shots and get a grown man’s body.

And for your last point, idk about that. Atlanta sports fans rally around superstars no matter the race and Luka has a lot of charisma and sauce to his game. Besides, I think you’re underestimating how many white Hawks fans there are. Freaking Kyle Korver was treated like a star here.

 

[#1 pick]

Luka’s shooting isn’t that great? At least it’s passable... what is Trae shooting?? Both can obviously improve their shooting but I don’t see anything on the court that Trae can do now or in the future that Luka can’t. And I like Trae and what he can be if he can start at least hitting open shots and get a grown man’s body.

And for your last point, idk about that. Atlanta sports fans rally around superstars no matter the race and Luka has a lot of charisma and sauce to his game. Besides, I think you’re underestimating how many white Hawks fans there are. Freaking Kyle Korver was treated like a star here.

It's not, it's a lot like Donovan Mitchell where he is making threes from range when his form or stroke looks average at best. Doesn't have a quick release but his threat to pass and his ball handling plus using his size is buying time. I honestly believe like Mitchell last year, he just doesn't have a scouting report for this level and he is catching players by surprise.

We all know Trae needs to go back to the drawing board with his shooting from the hip form. His stroke is nice but how he gets there is a massive problem. He got away with it in HS but at OU he didn't get away with it and he damn sure ain't getting away with it in the NBA. This is one area where Luka clearly has an advantage over Young but to say Luka is this 36% shooter from three, I don't buy it. He isn't a sharpshooter. I can see his percentage decrease but he does have a butter mid range that's tremendously for his stage.

Korver wasn't treated like no star. He was a fan favorite. A star is Nique or Vick. Not the way we treated Korver or even Chipper.

 

[daemonova]

It's not, it's a lot like Donovan Mitchell where he is making threes from range when his form or stroke looks average at best. Doesn't have a quick release but his threat to pass and his ball handling plus using his size is buying time. I honestly believe like Mitchell last year, he just doesn't have a scouting report for this level and he is catching players by surprise.

We all know Trae needs to go back to the drawing board with his shooting from the hip form. His stroke is nice but how he gets there is a massive problem. He got away with it in HS but at OU he didn't get away with it and he damn sure ain't getting away with it in the NBA. This is one area where Luka clearly has an advantage over Young but to say Luka is this 36% shooter from three, I don't buy it. He isn't a sharpshooter. I can see his percentage decrease but he does have a butter mid range that's tremendously for his stage.

Korver wasn't treated like no star. He was a fan favorite. A star is Nique or Vick. Not the way we treated Korver or even Chipper.

If chipper was so beloved, braves would have never left for Cobb county

 

[Codeine Bryant]

@Squirrel from Meteor Man went from trashposting nonstop about Luka being a soft Eurocac bust to.....

Trashposting that if he doesn't lead this Mavs team to a top 4 seed in the West and isn't the next LeBron James, he's...... a bust?

I'm both and at the same time.

Go from calling an NBA player a BUST to holding him to LeBron standards in the same thread brehs.

@Squirrel from Meteor Man bout to run in here with the Juelzing talmbout "nah but YOU guys said he's the next LeBron so keep that same energy!!!" and be completely unable to find a single post by any of us that says "Luka is the next LeBron."

He's putting up NUMBERS that are comparable to rookie greats (like LeBron) and it brings out the emotional female tendencies in dude. Guy has objective data infuriating him during the holidays.

He takes talking points from ESPN heads and gets at us because of what THEY said. Pathetic.

Anxiously awaiting a subpar Luka game to come in here and puff his chest out like this entire thread isn't based around laughing at his dumbass at this point.

@Gil Scott-Heroin look at this clown

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Also, at Hawks fans PRAYING that Luka has already peaked.

Probably donating RACKS to their local churches hoping he doesn't get in shape and work on his craft and become an even better player than he is right now.

This thread is just all sorts of wishful thinking.

Guys with flabby bodies and old man game with lack of quick burst like Ginobli, Pierce, and Harden were able to be offensively gifted players for well over a decade PLUS and all considered ELITE players.

But Luka won't be able to get by. Even though he's more than getting by right now. And he won't improve. And he's already kind of sort of possibly hopefully peaked at the age of 19.

Got it.

Trae Young ROY

 

[#1 pick]

Harden is a tremendous athlete. Extremely quick first step, extremely long arms for position, elite body control and was always a sharp shooter dating back to HS. That's not saying Luka doesn't have the body control, handles or skills but he isn't a sharpshooter, isn't fast like Harden is, and his first step is just average for size and position.

Luka is an average athlete. He is more athletic than Jared Dudley but his athleticism is similar to Bird's, just nowhere near as tall or long.

Ginobli and Pierce weren't superstars. Which is the entire point. Bird is his best reference but he's not the height of length Larry was. He isn't 6'11 with a 7'1 wingspan. He isn't as fast on the open court. He is a 3 in an undersized 4 body. He is special yes, but can he be a superstar, idk and I don't think so. I actually like Doncic.

Trae got everything he need potentially to become an elite offensive player. He just needs change his shooting form, become at least decent off the ball and become a lot more consistent on both sides of the court. He needs to take every possession seriously which Luka does at a NBA vet level as a rookie.

 

[42 Monks]

i don't even know what to say anymore