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Oversimplification of WandaVision and jumping to conclusions regarding Loki so I will disagree with both.
Un-simplify it for me...seeing you justify slavery will be more entertaining than anything these shows have offered up.

And, jumping to no conclusions. All actions that have taken place.
 

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That's not an oversimplification

That's exactly what happened bruh:mjlol:
Un-simplify it for me...seeing you justify slavery will be more entertaining than anything these shows have offered up.

And, jumping to no conclusions. All actions that have taken place.
SWORD weren't just trying to stop her. They were trying to use her and Vision's dead machinery to make weapons. There intentions were intentionally nafarious.
Wanda's enslavement of Westwiew was involuntary and not intentional. She didn't do it on purpose, she broke down and didn't even remember setting up the hex. Like Agatha said it was 'magic on autopilot'. She didn't even try to do it.
 

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SWORD weren't just trying to stop her. They were trying to use her and Vision's dead machinery to make weapons. There intentions were intentionally nafarious.
Wanda's enslavement of Westwiew was involuntary and not intentional. She didn't do it on purpose, she broke down and didn't even remember setting up the hex. Like Agatha said it was 'magic on autopilot'. She didn't even try to do it.
And, once she realized what she had done?

Surely we can agree Monica is pro-slavery, yes?

Also, should a defense dept. agency specializing in sentient weapons not be making sentient weapons? Their specific job and purpose that the government established them for is nefarious? That’s your defense?
 
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And, once she realized what she had done?

Surely we can agree Monica is pro-slavery, yes?

Also, should a defense dept. agency specializing in sentient weapons not be making sentient weapons? Their specific job and purpose that the government established them for is nefarious? That’s your defense?
She tried to save her kids and got into a fight with Agatha.
Monica is about being effective. Seeing the power displayed you can't check Wanda you have to negotiate with her. Being all adversarial with her is a dangerous game.
Should there even be such a US department? Playing with tech you don't completely understand is dangerous. And should they be manipulating Wanda to that end? I don't think so.
 

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She tried to save her kids and got into a fight with Agatha.
Monica is about being effective. Seeing the power displayed you can't check Wanda you have to negotiate with her. Being all adversarial with her is a dangerous game.
Should there even be such a US department? Playing with tech you don't completely understand is dangerous. And should they be manipulating Wanda to that end? I don't think so.
He’s literally using this power you call nefarious to stop slavery while you do everything you can to defend the one using the same power to have slaves.
 

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He’s literally using this power you call nefarious to stop slavery while you do everything you can to defend the one using the same power to have slaves.
I said Heyward's intentions were nefarious not the power. His main objective wasn't to free the townspeople of Westview it was to manipulate Wanda to his ends.
 

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I said Heyward's intentions were nefarious not the power. His main objective wasn't to free the townspeople of Westview it was to manipulate Wanda to his ends.
And what were his ends?
Perhaps to be able to combat people like Wanda who have the power to accidentally enslave thousands?
As the director of Sword is that not his exact purpose?
 

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And what were his ends?
SWORD weren't just trying to stop her. They were trying to use her and Vision's dead machinery to make weapons. There intentions were intentionally nafarious.
Wanda's enslavement of Westwiew was involuntary and not intentional. She didn't do it on purpose, she broke down and didn't even remember setting up the hex. Like Agatha said it was 'magic on autopilot'. She didn't even try to do it.
:unimpressed:
 

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Right. And you don’t think, in a post Infinity War/End Game world there should be a government agency trying to make better weapons?

In a world where someone like Wanda can enslave thousands on a whim....the government should become pacifists in your opinion?
 

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Right. And you don’t think, in a post Infinity War/End Game world there should be a government agency trying to make better weapons?

In a world where someone like Wanda can enslave thousands on a whim....the government should become pacifists in your opinion?
No but when you are experimenting and researching something and need or use human subjects to do so you need the humans' you are using consent. Otherwise what you are doing is unethical aka bad. lol
 

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No but when you are experimenting and researching something and need or use human subjects to do so you need the humans' you are using consent. Otherwise what you are doing is unethical aka bad. lol
Sounds like logic a sane person would be applying tenfold to Wanda.... :francis:

You seem more upset about the consent of the slave owner being violated than the consent of thousands in Westview.
 

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SWORD weren't just trying to stop her. They were trying to use her and Vision's dead machinery to make weapons. There intentions were intentionally nafarious.
Wanda's enslavement of Westwiew was involuntary and not intentional. She didn't do it on purpose, she broke down and didn't even remember setting up the hex. Like Agatha said it was 'magic on autopilot'. She didn't even try to do it.

She walked out the hex. Told them to leave her alone then walked back in and started playing her part again.

She told the boys to stay away from Ellis Ave. meaning she knows what happens if they cross over or at least what they were.

It started by accident but she figured out and kept it going by episode 5. She only stopped when it all was coming apart at the seams. Not because she realizes it was wrong.
 

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Sounds like logic a sane person would be applying tenfold to Wanda.... :francis:

You seem more upset about the consent of the slave owner being violated than the consent of thousands in Westview.
No I have a more nuanced understanding. One was a premeditated nefarious action. The other was a spontaneous involuntary reaction to being overcome with grief/trauma.
 
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