Official Loki Thread

[Shogun]

there is a loki that didn't pick it up.

loki A (didn't pick up) and loki B (picked up)

loki A is pruned (well taken to the TVA)

loki B is not pruned.

the existence of loki B is why loki A cannot go back to that timeline - as there was already a loki living his life (well until thanos killed him).

how can agency be removed when both things happened?

"That’s what his agency leads him to. Always." shows that you do not understand how this works .

in the "original" Avengers 2012 the "endgame avengers" were (always) running around in the background, we just didn't see them. those events (including NOT picking up the tesseract) are in the past of the Loki who got imprisoned in Asgard, who was in Ragnarok and who got killed by Thanos.

if you stopped and asked the Loki in Ragnarok or Endgame why he didn't pick up the Tesseract in Avengers 2012 tower after he lost the chitauri battle he would know about it and would explain why because it is part of his past.

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also finally you are taking the TVA messaging as dogma.

the threat of the other loki/mystery person shows that it is possible to maintain alternative timelines (and hence actions).

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also it is not predestination. it is pre-knowledge of what "happens" happens all the time (as morbius put it) i.e. what is happening right now at every "now" instance (from the TVA/time agnostic pov). "all the time" because the TVA stand outside of time (our time-flow).

don't think 10th dimensionally brehs

and as usual brehs avoid learning but keep talking. watch the videos.



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many worlds



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and ...

clearly there are pan-time beings who can mess with the flow of events in exotic ways. Kang being one example. The mysterious figure messing with the TVA potentially being another. so that factor will be thrown into the mix later.

 

[The_Sheff]

I find it extremely hilarious that having timeline police has made a breh in here retroactively dislike 20+ prior films. There have been these over-watching beings in comics from before most of us were born. Since Marvel is going cosmic, if this level of being has you sour you need to just bow out now because the universe is not going to get smaller from here on out.

Hell at least get the whole story here before pissing your panties. Since we already know Marvel is going multiverse in at least 2 films set to release it’s safe to say this single timeline shyt is not gonna last for long.

 

[null]

brehs going full-thecoli up in here

maybe marval should have kept it simple. 1 bad guy. bang. punch. fight. winner.

 

[Makavalli]

What if I told you that's exactly how it been presented in the comics as well, a cosmic high power making sure things happen over all as they are suppose too (in there eyes) to make sure the multiverse doesn't get wiped out or endangered.

It's really interesting how people take this, it's usually either

a) this is trash so nothing matters if it's predestine
b) what's the next level to all this

Shattering peoples illusion of free will really turns people off to story points. Where as it was no problem as long as they are living in the moment, but once made aware of a "greater purpose" that they are just a part of and can't really effect or change... man people get salty.

Even if it's just entertainment.

Yes everything that happen was suppose to happen according to the TVA, but its technically not predetermined The TVA just try to make sure things don't get out of control as they see it, and as you can see loki getting the tesseract causes a potential cosmic level threat in there eyes, every choice you makes has outcomes that the tva won't care about unless one of those outcomes ends up breaking something they feel shouldn't be broken.

And apparently the Thanos level event was suppose to happen from what I can tell, and loki actions are a catalyst for that... so more than anything they need him to do what he does so infinity war happens.


The potential of this show is actually super huge.

Spot on bruh. Makes what Thanos said about him being inevitable even more scary. Loki’s whole glorious purpose is to be a jobber for super heroes so u know he is not
Going to accept that. Looks like he will be the villain or cause of Dr strange 2

 

[The_Sheff]

Spot on bruh. Makes what Thanos said about him being inevitable even more scary. Loki’s whole glorious purpose is to be a jobber for super heroes so u know he is not
Going to accept that. Looks like he will be the villain or cause of Dr strange 2

Told Loki he the Brooklyn Brawler of this shyt.

 

[Shogun]

brehs going full-thecoli up in here

maybe marval should have kept it simple. 1 bad guy. bang. punch. fight. winner.

Hiddleston agrees with me...because it’s what the script establishes. None of your ranting and YouTube nonsense will change that.

. “Can we trust the TVA? They have defined themselves as benevolent guardians of a tidy timeline,” he tells Inverse. “And if ever there's a branch that they think isn't quite right they could prune it. But is that also taking people's choice and agency away. Who gets to make those determinations?”

'Loki' is changing the MCU forever in one huge metaphysical way

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Have a bunch of infinity stones just chilling in a drawer brehs

 

[null]

Hiddleston agrees with me...because it’s what the script establishes. None of your ranting and YouTube nonsense will change that.

'Loki' is changing the MCU forever in one huge metaphysical way

Loki is asking a question e-grow. A mf question. "questions" like you skipped at school.

“Can we trust the TVA? They have defined themselves as benevolent guardians of a tidy timeline,” he tells Inverse. “And if ever there's a branch that they think isn't quite right they could prune it. But is that [question!!!] also taking people's choice and agency away. Who gets to make those determinations?”

he said "is that" NOT "that is" e-grow .

The answer to that question could be "yes" or could be "no".

be unable to even (even) EVEN EVEN recognise questions brehs


and ..

"quantum physics" is "youtube nonsense"



full-coli

stick to

 

[Shogun]

Loki is asking a question e-grow. A mf question. "questions" like you skipped at school.



he said "is that" NOT "that is" e-grow .

The answer to that question could be "yes" or could be "no".

be unable to even (even) EVEN EVEN recognise questions brehs


and ..

"quantum physics" is "youtube nonsense"



full-coli

stick to

Oh...you’re a crazy person. I didn’t realize breh, my bad.

 

[null]

Oh...you’re a crazy person. I didn’t realize breh, my bad.

nah breh you are stupid.

this show is too complicated for you. it's pitched at teens (who can somehow understand it) and yet coli brehs are sitting around all

confused out of their minds.

it could be as simple as a game of tic-tac-toe and still some brehs on here would not understand

 

[Kooley_High]

What if I told you that's exactly how it been presented in the comics as well, a cosmic high power making sure things happen over all as they are suppose too (in there eyes) to make sure the multiverse doesn't get wiped out or endangered.

It's really interesting how people take this, it's usually either

a) this is trash so nothing matters if it's predestine
b) what's the next level to all this

Shattering peoples illusion of free will really turns people off to story points. Where as it was no problem as long as they are living in the moment, but once made aware of a "greater purpose" that they are just a part of and can't really effect or change... man people get salty.

Even if it's just entertainment.

Yes everything that happen was suppose to happen according to the TVA, but its technically not predetermined The TVA just try to make sure things don't get out of control as they see it, and as you can see loki getting the tesseract causes a potential cosmic level threat in there eyes, every choice you makes has outcomes that the tva won't care about unless one of those outcomes ends up breaking something they feel shouldn't be broken.

And apparently the Thanos level event was suppose to happen from what I can tell, and loki actions are a catalyst for that... so more than anything they need him to do what he does so infinity war happens.


The potential of this show is actually super huge.

Its turns people off because its just lazy writing. Having an engaging story spread out over 10 plus years only to find out that every character decision didnt even matter is a big let down. All those emotional moments that they tried to have, dont hold weight anymore. Hell, Doctor Strange’s revelation to Tony in Infinity War that theres only one possible outcome out of thousands is pointless now. There was only one outcome!

Having omnipotent entities in a story makes it less interesting. Basically unless something happens to the TVA, we know the outcome of everything is going be “OK”

 

[chico25]

"Stop questioning and consume" is the new MCU/Disney motto.

From what theyve already established in ep. 1 there's no reason to really care about any MCU characters. Whatever they do is because it was predestined...not their choice...their character...their heroism. Just the will of space lizards. If Tony didn't send the nuke into space in Avengers he would have been melted...if he decided to not pursue the time heist and stay with his family he would have been melted...if Sam decided to listen to Isaiah and not become CA he would have been melted...hell, if the American government treated Isaiah like the hero he was they would have been melted...etc. etc.

Only way to defend this is to predict that Marvel is trolling....that they're going to eventually get to a "lol jk" point and that would somehow be quality story-telling.

It looks cool though...the sets and costumes. And all those jokes....how could you not love it? Just turn your brain off and consume.

The character's actions were always pre-determined by the writers. The "writers" now exist in the story and have enforcement of the story they have written. We are now seeing the story of how they keep their story on track. These fictional characters have no more or less agency than they ever had, which is none, because they are fictional.

You don't like being reminded of the fact that we are watching a story being told with a set ending in mind. Over the course of the show it will probably be revealed that the characters have more in story agency than the first episode would have us believe but they have to set up the purpose of the TVA for the story that the actual writers are telling.

 

[The Mad Titan]

Its turns people off because its just lazy writing. Having an engaging story spread out over 10 plus years only to find out that every character decision didnt even matter is a big let down. All those emotional moments that they tried to have, dont hold weight anymore. Hell, Doctor Strange’s revelation to Tony in Infinity War that theres only one possible outcome out of thousands is pointless now. There was only one outcome!

Having omnipotent entities in a story makes it less interesting. Basically unless something happens to the TVA, we know the outcome of everything is going be “OK”

I'm legitimately confused. How does everything you do not matter all of a sudden if you aren't allow to do "certain" things? If someone tells you, you can't leave the US does your whole life not matter all of a sudden because you have restrictions but on you? All of a sudden is your whole life being controlled down to the T and not worth living?

This is a thing in the marvel comic universe, there are watchers and people who bend and mess with time and people to fit there need. That doesn't make the events that take place pointless all of a sudden.

As far as Strange seeing millions of possibilities and the one that he manipulated to happen with the time stone is exactly what the TVA is doing on a larger scale. Do all the events that lead up to what happen with strange all of a sudden not matter? Strange very well could be aware of the tva and all this is taken into account and thats why of all the possibilities he saw this one was the only safe bet.

Like I said the potential impact of this show is HUGE. More so than wandavision, people were so hype by multiverse stuff and here we are ep1 with multiverse events happening and people are like wait destiny? "This sucks" idk if people are just glossing over things or what...

There are more than just the TVA when it comes to agents of time also... but I'll leave it at that for potential spoilers.

 

[Shogun]

The character's actions were always pre-determined by the writers. The "writers" now exist in the story and have enforcement of the story they have written. We are now seeing the story of how they keep their story on track. These fictional characters have no more or less agency than they ever had, which is none, because they are fictional.

You don't like being reminded of the fact that we are watching a story being told with a set ending in mind. Over the course of the show it will probably be revealed that the characters have more in story agency than the first episode would have us believe but they have to set up the purpose of the TVA for the story that the actual writers are telling.

Fictional characters are allowed to have agency in their fictional universe. MCU characters no longer do...aside from the space lizards, of course. It’s not a huge deal, just weird that the mcu fan boys refuse to acknowledge what the script flat out declared.

Of course it could be more phase 4 trolling which, if it is, would be worse in terms of story telling.

 

[null]

I'm legitimately confused. How does everything you do not matter all of a sudden if you aren't allow to do "certain" things? If someone tells you, you can't leave the US does your whole life not matter all of a sudden?

This is a thing in the marvel comic universe, there are watchers and people who bend and mess with time and people to fit there need. That doesn't make the events that take place pointless all of a sudden.

As far as Strange seeing millions of possibilities and the one that he manipulated to happen with the time stone is exactly what the TVA is doing on a larger scale. Do all the events that lead up to what happen with strange all of a sudden not matter? Strange very well could be aware of the tva and all this is taken into account and thats why of all the possibilities he saw this one was the only safe bet.

Like I said the potential impact of this show is HUGE. More so than wandavision, people were so hype by multiverse stuff and here we are ep1 with multiverse events happening and people are like wait destiny? "This sucks" idk if people are just glossing over things or what...

There are more than just the TVA when it comes to agents of time also... but I'll leave it at that for potential spoilers.

man oh man ..

the time keepers (the one who survives concept) are at the end of time.

they are looking back at things that have already happened.

they are not causing those things to happen ... (mainly which is where the threat and manipulation comes in).

i am not sure how that stops free will.

anyone at anytime in the MCU is free to do anything they want.

and the people in the "sacred timeline" all made their actions willingly, using their free will.

when loki ( who was killed by thanos) looked back on his life ~every choice in his life was his decision.

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NB. these mechanisms allow for people to manipulate and that will be the threat. so for example hidden-antagonist is not playing by these rules. multiverses-fighting is not playing by these rules. the TVA injecting loki into a timeline is not playing by these rules (but they have an emergency situation). etc. there will be times when you can bend the rules and there will be times when they can be broken, like in the matrix.

the TVA aren't god.