Official Loki Thread

[Mission249]

From what theyve already established in ep. 1 there's no reason to really care about any MCU characters. Whatever they do is because it was predestined...not their choice...their character...their heroism. If Tony didn't send the nuke into space in Avengers he would have been melted...if he decided to not pursue the time heist and stay with his family he would have been melted...if Sam decided to listen to Isaiah and not become CA he would have been melted...hell, if the American government treated Isaiah like the hero he was they would have been melted...etc. etc.

Wait, what? I thought they only "melted" the people who try to go into the past and change things on the particular, "sacred" timeline.
And that the Avengers got a big exception for reasons not yet fully explained - probably cause Thanos was doing too much damage.

 

[Shogun]

Wait, what? I thought they only "melted" the people who try to go into the past and change things on the particular, "sacred" timeline.
And that the Avengers got a big exception for reasons not yet fully explained - probably cause Thanos was doing too much damage.

If you’re late for work and lizard aliens didn’t want you to...you get melted.

 

[The Mad Titan]

"Stop questioning and consume" is the new MCU/Disney motto.

From what theyve already established in ep. 1 there's no reason to really care about any MCU characters. Whatever they do is because it was predestined...not their choice...their character...their heroism. Just the will of space lizards. If Tony didn't send the nuke into space in Avengers he would have been melted...if he decided to not pursue the time heist and stay with his family he would have been melted...if Sam decided to listen to Isaiah and not become CA he would have been melted...hell, if the American government treated Isaiah like the hero he was they would have been melted...etc. etc.

Only way to defend this is to predict that Marvel is trolling....that they're going to eventually get to a "lol jk" point and that would somehow be quality story-telling.

It looks cool though...the sets and costumes. And all those jokes....how could you not love it? Just turn your brain off and consume.

What if I told you that's exactly how it been presented in the comics as well, a cosmic high power making sure things happen over all as they are suppose too (in there eyes) to make sure the multiverse doesn't get wiped out or endangered.

It's really interesting how people take this, it's usually either

a) this is trash so nothing matters if it's predestine
b) what's the next level to all this

Shattering peoples illusion of free will really turns people off to story points. Where as it was no problem as long as they are living in the moment, but once made aware of a "greater purpose" that they are just a part of and can't really effect or change... man people get salty.

Even if it's just entertainment.

Yes everything that happen was suppose to happen according to the TVA, but its technically not predetermined The TVA just try to make sure things don't get out of control as they see it, and as you can see loki getting the tesseract causes a potential cosmic level threat in there eyes, every choice you makes has outcomes that the tva won't care about unless one of those outcomes ends up breaking something they feel shouldn't be broken.

And apparently the Thanos level event was suppose to happen from what I can tell, and loki actions are a catalyst for that... so more than anything they need him to do what he does so infinity war happens.


The potential of this show is actually super huge.

 

[Devilinurear]

This was actually a kind of a some what recent revelation the comics that the gems don't work outside of there universe and are basically colorful rocks.

It was a very nice nod to the comics and plot point.

Naw not recent it happened in jla vs avengers when darkseid got the infinity gems he noted they didn't work outside there universe.

 

[The Mad Titan]

Naw not recent it happened in jla vs avengers when darkseid got the infinity gems he noted they didn't work outside there universe.

lol yeah technically that would have been the 1st "hint" at it. But you know "canon" and all that.

 

[Xavier]

The existential crisis Loki had when he saw the damn Infinity Stones stashed away like used goods in a junk drawer was the top scene for me

Imagine being Thanos and saw the objects where you wiped out half of civilizations, and had to sacrifice your own daughter to get them — being used as paper weights by a bunch of help desk nikkas I’d breakdown worst than Leo in Shutter Island

 

[Shogun]

What if I told you that's exactly how it been presented in the comics as well, a cosmic high power making sure things happen over all as they are suppose too (in there eyes) to make sure the multiverse doesn't get wiped out or endangered.

It's really interesting how people take this, it's usually either

a) this is trash so nothing matters if it's predestine
b) what's the next level to all this

Shattering peoples illusion of free will really turns people off to story points. Where as it was no problem as long as they are living in the moment, but once made aware of a "greater purpose" that they are just a part of and can't really effect or change... man people get salty.

Even if it's just entertainment.

Yes everything that happen was suppose to happen according to the TVA, but its technically not predetermined The TVA just try to make sure things don't get out of control as they see it, and as you can see loki getting the tesseract causes a potential cosmic level threat in there eyes, every choice you makes has outcomes that the tva won't care about unless one of those outcomes ends up breaking something they feel shouldn't be broken.

And apparently the Thanos level event was suppose to happen from what I can tell, and loki actions are a catalyst for that... so more than anything they need him to do what he does so infinity war happens.


The potential of this show is actually super huge.

I would tell you there’s a reason why the comic industry had been on life support for decades prior to the MCU.

 

[null]

If you’re late for work and lizard aliens didn’t want you to...you get melted.

i think it works like this:

you the "variant" gets "melted"

you the "non-variant" continues on the sacred timeline (mostly)

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also it is not predestination. it is pre-knowledge of what "happens" happens all the time. "all the time" because the TVA stand outside of time (our time-flow).

don't think 10th dimensionally brehs



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many worlds

 

[The Mad Titan]

I would tell you there’s a reason why the comic industry had been on life support for decades prior to the MCU.

Yet the MCU is built on the comic book industry stories.

comics are just a dying medium, much like books to a certain extent, if you don't have a comic book store in your local area good luck. And even getting comics online weekly is mad convoluted and annoying and cost wayyy to much plus the matter of taking up actual physical space you almost need climate control storage just to collect.

 

[Shogun]

Yet the MCU is built on the comic book industry stories.

comics are just a dying medium, much like books to a certain extent, if you don't have a comic book store in your local area good luck. And even getting comics online weekly is mad convoluted and annoying and cost wayyy to much plus the matter of taking up actual physical space you almost need climate control storage just to collect.

There’s a difference between removing all agency from every character in a film franchise, and in a an expansive, convoluted comic universe where often the art was drawn first and writers had to come in after the fact and write some sort of plot around it.

 

[null]

There’s a difference between removing all agency from every character in a film franchise, and in a an expansive, convoluted comic universe where often the art was drawn first and writers had to come in after the fact and write some sort of plot around it.

agency is NOT removed.

if you decide to go left (rather than right as per the sacred timeline) and that becomes a nexus event then two timelines exist..

one where you go left and one where you go right.

also there is more than one timeline as that is the point of the show.

see those red horizontal lines.

pre-determinism vs pre-knowledge.

 

[The Mad Titan]

There’s a difference between removing all agency from every character in a film franchise, and in a an expansive, convoluted comic universe where often the art was drawn first and writers had to come in after the fact and write some sort of plot around it.

As soon as these stories drift to far from comic book stories or ties they are going to become irrelevant and quick.

Fortunately there is a ton of material to work with.

 

[NobodyReally]

Rewatching the first Thor after seeing the first episode of Loki. I never understood why people didn't like the first Thor movie. It's really underrated in my opinion. Anthony Hopkins owns every scene he's in. Anyway, after seeing Loki, seeing the scenes with a young Loki is kinda heartbreaking. He has so much hope & innocence when he looks to his brother, of course, that's before he finds out he's different and adopted.

 

[Shogun]

agency is NOT removed.

if you decide to go left (rather than right as per the sacred timeline) and that becomes a nexus event then two timelines exist..

one where you go left and one where you go right.

also there is more than one timeline as that is the point of the show.

see those red horizontal lines.

pre-determinism vs pre-knowledge.

Maybe we understand “pruning” timelines differently.

And, if agency isn’t removed what is Loki guilty of exactly? Everything we know about
him suggests that he would pick up the Tesseract every time in the situation. That’s what his agency leads him to. Always. And, because of that, he’s declared guilty and was about to get melted.

 

[null]

Maybe we understand “pruning” timelines differently.

And, if agency isn’t removed what is Loki guilty of exactly? Everything we know about
him suggests that he would pick up the Tesseract every time in the situation. That’s what his agency leads him to. Always. And, because of that, he’s declared guilty and was about to get melted.

there is a loki that didn't pick it up.

loki A (didn't pick up) and loki B (picked up)

loki A is pruned (well taken to the TVA)

loki B is not pruned.

the existence of loki B is why loki A cannot go back to that timeline - as there was already a loki living his life (well until thanos killed him).

how can agency be removed when both things happened?

"That’s what his agency leads him to. Always." shows that you do not understand how this works .

in the "original" Avengers 2012 the "endgame avengers" were (always) running around in the background, we just didn't see them. those events (including NOT picking up the tesseract) are in the past of the Loki who got imprisoned in Asgard, who was in Ragnarok and who got killed by Thanos.

if you stopped and asked the Loki in Ragnarok or Endgame why he didn't pick up the Tesseract in Avengers 2012 tower after he lost the chitauri battle he would know about it and would explain why because it is part of his past.

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also finally you are taking the TVA messaging as dogma.

the threat of the other loki/mystery person shows that it is possible to maintain alternative timelines (and hence actions).

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also it is not predestination. it is pre-knowledge of what "happens" happens all the time (as morbius put it) i.e. what is happening right now at every "now" instance (from the TVA/time agnostic pov). "all the time" because the TVA stand outside of time (our time-flow).

don't think 10th dimensionally brehs

and as usual brehs avoid learning but keep talking. watch the videos.



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many worlds



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and ...

clearly there are pan-time beings who can mess with the flow of events in exotic ways. Kang being one example. The mysterious figure messing with the TVA potentially being another. so that factor will be thrown into the mix later.