I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong, I'm saying in general there aren't discussions just pissing contests that turn into pissing and moaning contests. The whole marvel vs dc shyt is for the birds because it devolves into that shyt rather than cats who are intelligent, as seen in other threads, having intelligent discussions. Like
@O.T.I.S. said, this is what happened to the Arcadium and why it stopped being any good. They had to clean house for that shyt to get back to even being a reasonable place