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this made me want to rewatch taxi driver
Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)
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CreepyMcCreeperson
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they been saying the Joker and the upcoming Batman movie are set in separate universe for a hot minute. Plus Joker would be in his mid 50s early 60s if they did
Keaton and Nicholson looked about 20 years apart in the first Tim Burton Batman. But this joker was clearly 40-42 ish, and Bruce was around 8-10.
The only way it could be in the same universe, and I would hate it if they did this, would be if they went off the 3 Jokers theory. But I hope they don't because this needs to be it's own separate thing.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
I don't view this as something in the DCEU, this is a standalone, so I doN't have problem with the age gap between Bruce and Joker and all that...
Bruce and his family are probably only in it because of push from producers or if not then it wasn't necessary at all.
Bruce and his family are probably only in it because of push from producers or if not then it wasn't necessary at all.
to pretty much all this.First off "Arthur is an anti-hero" is....a wild take. Wild as fukk.
Saying "they don't deserve to die but he deserved to get revenge" completely ignores the fact that they did in fact die.
Most of them for little to no reason.
Stab your former co-worker to death with scissors and be an anti-hero, brehs.
Kill a nurse for literally no reason and be an anti-hero, brehs.
And I'm
at "if this was any other film, we'd be rooting for him". Who is we? Refer to the two sentences above. The only somewhat justifiable killing was the three guys on the train. After that anybody siding with Arthur gotta be a lunatic. Which brings me to my next point....Saying "to the protesters, Joker is a hero" is meaningless because it assumes the protesters are good people.
There's several terrible people through out history that equally depraved people consider heroes....it don't mean they're actually heroes, though.
And
at "protesters". Let's not sit here and act like this was Occupy Wall Street. They were savages out killing people and burning down the city....inspired by Joker shooting a man in the face on live TV. So....yeah. Them propping up Joker as some sort of icon speaks more to how terrible they are, than him being a hero.
Fred.
so is arthur fleck an important name in the joker mythos?
I sorta knew about his other aliases from past cartoons and stuff, but don't think I ever heard Arthur Fleck
I sorta knew about his other aliases from past cartoons and stuff, but don't think I ever heard Arthur Fleck
I just loved how they showed him so" off key"
Laughing at the build up of jokes instead of the punchline
When he was in the audience and he spoke about looking after his mother etc , they all laughed at him
Even though that scene was in his head( if I remember correctly), he knew how the world " worked" , he knew how people simply wont" understand" him
Fantastic breakdown of such an iconic character
Laughing at the build up of jokes instead of the punchline
When he was in the audience and he spoke about looking after his mother etc , they all laughed at him
Even though that scene was in his head( if I remember correctly), he knew how the world " worked" , he knew how people simply wont" understand" him
Fantastic breakdown of such an iconic character
Anyway, this was a god damn fine movie.
As far as the whole Ledger vs Phoenix debate....I'll say this:
I'm 100% sure Phoenix could carry a Batman vs Joker movie....I'm not sure if Ledger could do the origin as well as Phoenix did, though.
Make of that what you will.
And a whole gang of people gotta hold the L for running that incel shyt into the ground....when the movie had nothing to do with that.
Dude was out there killing people waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the whole Zazie Beetz twist.
And another at people talking about "well, if you remove a few references this could be a random movie they shoe horned comic references into."
Man....what?
That's like saying "The Dark Knight" is just a Michael Mann knock off if you remove Batman and The Joker. Hell, there's probably more comic references in this movie, than "TDK".
Fred.
As far as the whole Ledger vs Phoenix debate....I'll say this:
I'm 100% sure Phoenix could carry a Batman vs Joker movie....I'm not sure if Ledger could do the origin as well as Phoenix did, though.
Make of that what you will.
And a whole gang of people gotta hold the L for running that incel shyt into the ground....when the movie had nothing to do with that.
Dude was out there killing people waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the whole Zazie Beetz twist.
And another
at people talking about "well, if you remove a few references this could be a random movie they shoe horned comic references into."Man....what?
That's like saying "The Dark Knight" is just a Michael Mann knock off if you remove Batman and The Joker. Hell, there's probably more comic references in this movie, than "TDK".
Fred.
Actually the Joker in this movie is supposed to be around 30. Arthur’s mother says in the movie she worked for Thomas Wayne 30 years ago, the time she supposedly was impregnated by him. It could be argued the stress and prescription meds prematurely aged him.
his laugh in this could give mark hamil a run for his money
I wouldn't mind if he started doing the VO for future DC Animated joints
I wouldn't mind if he started doing the VO for future DC Animated joints
Oh and at whoever said they can't see this Joker going up against Batman.
Dude had the whole city behind him by the time the movie ended, he could definitely go toe-to-toe (not fighting, I mean as far as being a threat) with Batman.
It's a moot point though because this is a one off.
Fred.
at whoever said they can't see this Joker going up against Batman.Dude had the whole city behind him by the time the movie ended, he could definitely go toe-to-toe (not fighting, I mean as far as being a threat) with Batman.
It's a moot point though because this is a one off.
Fred.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
I mean, how many comic book movies in existence have this detailed character review? A lot of people hate DC and WB and anything that aint MCU related just because......from this day forward, every single comic book movie WILL BE COMPARED TO "JOKER". Thats the reality of it.
If You dont like that, let Marvel make an R Rated Doom or a good Punisher film with the best directors and actors in Hollywood's existence.
I dont understand why people downplay this film for what it is
Blame Todd Phillips for directing it.
it is vertigo batman on the cw with wb big filmhouse money.
it is the same hack rag bullshyt.
that jae Lee and Quesada did to ruin marvel.
Which is why marvel does not own themselves as well.
Only in this case both marvel and dc do not own themselves.
including the fact.
as long as we have been alive.
dc and wb have never had anything concurrently good,.....EVER.
this is more wb semantics spun into bullshyt.
plus, it also flirts on the same line.
that destroyed comics and is also currently and concurrently destroying comics.
as an industry as a whole as well.
which has nuffin to do with the internet.
it is because hacks wanna bring their non-editorialized style takes.
on material that does not need another style take.
the story needs to be told how it was Intended.
after the formation of the fukk'n comic code as well.
not by sheltered ass hacks.
who we can tell never left the house.
not once in their childhood.
plus probably never went and bought, owned and sold any great hero's or action figures for real. Let alone comics.
anyone who says this is a good movie by Batman standards is a lie.
Plus is a casual and never collected and never made revenue off of actual comics.
Let alone never was actually trained by professionals as well.
this is the type of shyt they teach.
as complete no-no's.
of what not to do period in concurrent storytelling.
That even in an elseworld style mag.
the story is still told as a revenue grab ideal and still told with the editor warning.
about Pandora's box being opened.
I can tell anyone who does not know any background to writing and constructing elseworld franchises. This is just wb's wack version of what if.
that marvel and every real experienced fan at marvel.
knows EXACTLY why what if sucks, too.
if you wanna sit through another four decades of bullshyt.
be my guest.
for my whole life Batman has never been good, good currently.
I been alive forty two years, breh.
so I know what time it is. Maybe since y'all lived when everything you got was complete mediocre. Which is affected from absence of reason and narcissism.
trickled down from the mother's groups.
made by and from the collectives social brain trust of indoctrined drug dealing gun running criminal publically traded white people in power playing and pulling the strings. In republican slash fascists ideal. Backed with Oh i can cover up my husbands drug and weapons running treason, publically.
by trying to create a group to try to fix the errant social construct in my republican drug and gun runnin military ideal household. So instead if taking responsibility.
I am gonna deflect all the blame and responsibility and my failure in responsibility on to all of us as people in this country. Thus making us live lives that are not our own. Yet the lives of trick baby meets soft john republican Catholic jewish protestant drug running euro-asia carnie.
then we can revenue grab.
then make up for it.
with prison economy marketed ideal content based fashion.
wrapped up in a big prison based economy ass bow.
which is publically traded and we get money on the backend.
fukk the lack of responsibility,...
yet i know wb and i know what type of big art house film bullshyt they will pull. If you do not staunchly give real full critical critique of their revenue grab style offerings. As this company, the wb js just a financial gorge.
that will never concurrently and consistently give you anything of value longterm as a consumer. If you think that. In fifteen years. You will still be waiting for batman to be re-re-re-RE-launched,.....
stop supporting this carnie absence of reason bullshyt.
you can keep vertigo Batman.
fukk vertigo.
when you fukking my age and look back at the trash you left behind from dc.
you will thank me.
all cause that vertigo dc rag garbage ain't worth a cot damn.
don't believe....
get a dc comic that is not a vertigo and try to sell it before jim lee went there.
this is more of the same and if you don't see you.
FLAVOR FLAV : you blind baby you blind to the facts.
ART BARR
uncle rich : If they don't see. You can not make them see.
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D-NICE
All Star
I almost even wonder if that was even his last name. The reason I say that is because it’s definitely a play on Ben Affleck and we can’t take anything the narrator is showing us as true.
Today, I’m almost wondering if we just didn’t watch the delusions of a madman who wants to be the Joker in what would be our reality and this is the story he came up with in his own mind on how he would get to that point.
If any brehs go again, I was seeing if they could see the name on his chart or paper work at the end.
dangerranger
All Star
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First off "Arthur is an anti-hero" is....a wild take. Wild as fukk.
Saying "they don't deserve to die but he deserved to get revenge" completely ignores the fact that they did in fact die.
Most of them for little to no reason.
Stab your former co-worker to death with scissors and be an anti-hero, brehs.
Kill a nurse for literally no reason and be an anti-hero, brehs.
And I'm
Saying "to the protesters, Joker is a hero" is meaningless because it assumes the protesters are good people.
There's several terrible people through out history that equally depraved people consider heroes....it don't mean they're actually heroes, though.
And
So....yeah. Them propping up Joker as some sort of icon speaks more to how terrible they are, than him being a hero.
Fred.
If this movie was any other movie that didn’t have the Joker as the titular character, you would be rooting for joker. The story is told from his perspective and he had been wronged by the majority of people he killed. It’s a classic revenge story, yeah he kills them which is effed up but he doesn’t kill in this film without reason with the exception of the psychiatrist at the end. It’s the classic story of the person being bullied getting revenge on the bullies and the people who abused him. Couple that with the fact that the protestors see him as an icon representing the poor fighting against the rich, you’re damn right he is an anti hero in this film.
That’s how the stories narrative is portrayed. As much as this is a story of a villain, the story is so empathetic to Arthur and understanding of Arthur’s plight that’s why most people are leaving the film saying wow they did a good job of showing the mental health stuff. Deep down they are saying this is what can happen to someone if they don’t get the right help. This is indicative that while people don’t condone what he did they understand why he could end up doing what he did. Arthur is the protagonist of this film.
And the way that the story ends in the film there is no indictment of what Arthur has done. He ends the film vindicated in a sense as he ecstatic walks the hall of Arkham. The film ends with him as a hero in his eyes and in a sense to Gotham as there is no wrap up to the protests, in fact he is celebrated.
That’s why I said he’s an antihero based on how the film is told