Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

[Carlton Banks]

without giving too much away, why didn’t you like it? Ive only been hearing great things about it.

I was driving so I couldn't give a real review at the moment. But for me it basically came down to his origin story not making sense with the Joker that we've known him as in all the other movies/cartoons/comics etc

The movie should be called "Arthur"

That's my biggest issue. Gotham knows who he is. So it's like why even call him joker? Every other story joker was always a mysterious character that no one knew about, now all of Gotham knows it's Arthur? All of Gotham knows his story? Why is Joker so transparent when he's the least transparent person in the DC universe?

There wasn't much going on in this movie except Joker being disturbing and doing a bunch of laughing and dancing.


And my other biggest gripe is the whole Joker / Bruce possibly being related thing. Just thought it was silly to even throw the idea out there to begin with , whether it's true or not true. But also, I always thought Joker and Batman we're close in age. Why is Joker in his 40's while Bruce is still a kid? By the time Bruce grows up Joker would be Bernie Sanders status.

But yeah, I left the theater feeling the movie was lackluster and left more to be desired. I did like the acting though.

 

[ItWasWritten]

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I was driving so I couldn't give a real review at the moment. But for me it basically came down to his origin story not making sense with the Joker that we've known him as in all the other movies/cartoons/comics etc

The movie should be called "Arthur"

That's my biggest issue. Gotham knows who he is. So it's like why even call him joker? Every other story joker was always a mysterious character that no one knew about, now all of Gotham knows it's Arthur? All of Gotham knows his story? Why is Joker so transparent when he's the least transparent person in the DC universe?

There wasn't much going on in this movie except Joker being disturbing and doing a bunch of laughing and dancing.


And my other biggest gripe is the whole Joker / Bruce possibly being related thing. Just thought it was silly to even throw the idea out there to begin with , whether it's true or not true. But also, I always thought Joker and Batman we're close in age. Why is Joker in his 40's while Bruce is still a kid? By the time Bruce grows up Joker would be Bernie Sanders status.

But yeah, I left the theater feeling the movie was lackluster and left more to be desired. I did like the acting though.

they already said the movie was a one off and not related to anything before it though ...

 

[Brozay]

I was driving so I couldn't give a real review at the moment. But for me it basically came down to his origin story not making sense with the Joker that we've known him as in all the other movies/cartoons/comics etc

The movie should be called "Arthur"

That's my biggest issue. Gotham knows who he is. So it's like why even call him joker? Every other story joker was always a mysterious character that no one knew about, now all of Gotham knows it's Arthur? All of Gotham knows his story? Why is Joker so transparent when he's the least transparent person in the DC universe?

There wasn't much going on in this movie except Joker being disturbing and doing a bunch of laughing and dancing.


And my other biggest gripe is the whole Joker / Bruce possibly being related thing. Just thought it was silly to even throw the idea out there to begin with , whether it's true or not true. But also, I always thought Joker and Batman we're close in age. Why is Joker in his 40's while Bruce is still a kid? By the time Bruce grows up Joker would be Bernie Sanders status.

But yeah, I left the theater feeling the movie was lackluster and left more to be desired. I did like the acting though.

I disagree with you but respect your issues with the movie. Like those are reasonable takes I can understand.

Its why I hate how this stupid media concoction has spun negative views of the movie because of fukk all reasons that arent even about the quality of the movie

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Still in previews. The two fat bytches next to me will not shut the fukk up.



And they both have large popcorns for themselves

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Y'all really making this about incel culture when it is far more in line with mental illness.

That's the problem with society today everybody wants to be everything, but nobody wants to be anything. All I saw was a man who was abused his whole life on top of already having a mental disorder, who wasn't a bad guy at heart but lost his humanity because no matter how good or happy he tried to be or how much 'joy' he tried to spread he constantly got shytted on until he snapped and finally lost his mind.

Arthur only felt like he deserved the same decency he showed people, no more no less. Incels are entitled, spoiled, priveleged white boys who feel the world should be given to them without having to put in the work or effort to get it, because most of the time their parents gave them everything without making them work for it. Arthur was clearly abused and neglected HIS ENTIRE LIFE.

Funny thing is you see Arthur is capable of decency by

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Scene with Randall and the midget in his apartment

and he wasn't just doing it to be doing it. An incel never would have

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Allowed that midget to leave whether they were nice to them or not

because they are just like spoiled little children who don't get there way.

I really don't see the comparisons here at all to incel culture, all I saw was a mentally disturbed man who society continually kept kicking while he was down who finally found a way to fight back and 'conquer' his illness in the best way he saw fit, then they demonize him as if they literally didn't create the monster in the first place. Seriously all this could of been prevented if someone gave Arthur a blunt and a hug every now and then brehs.

 

[$$$HotBoyRonald$$$]

Yeah nothing sexual at all

My daughter 12 we watched the remake of IT the other day I would feel comfortable taking her to see this
She thought Logan was dope seen that at 11


As a father I don’t care about violence

Sex is a no tho

Awesome I’ll bring him then cause he wanted to see it with us. He saw the IT remakes and wasn’t phased at all by them.

 

[Carlton Banks]

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they already said the movie was a one off and not related to anything before it though ...

Well then that's just silly cuz the only reason I was interested in this to begin with is because of Joker who we've known him as for years. This "separate from everything else" bs is just a cop out for them to not be held accountable by critics. I'm not one of those nerds that follow every headline about a movie up until it's released so I wasn't aware of what I was walking into. It's still overhyped and underwhelming even from a separate story arc standpoint.

 

[jwinfield]

I'm not disagreeing that's the origin or majority, but don't you think their community has expanded and diversified to include anyone who just hates and wants to be an edge Lord.

I don’t think it has expanded. The media throwing the term to scare people doesn’t mean the community expanded.

 

[jwinfield]

Well then that's just silly cuz the only reason I was interested in this to begin with is because of Joker who we've known him as for years.

There’s been a bunch of Jokers though.
The Dark Knight Joker is nowhere near the same Joker as Jack’s

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

If you want a perfect example of incel culture brought to film under the guise of 'mental illness' watch Fight Club, but Joker aint it brehs nowhere close.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Honestly only part about this film that felt out of place was Zazie Beets character. I understand the angle they were getting at

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He suffered from delusional schizophrenia among other things, so it was all in his head

, but they could have done more with her or just left her out completely and the plot would of still been fine.

 

[Carlton Banks]

There’s been a bunch of Jokers though.
The Dark Knight Joker is nowhere near the same Joker as Jack’s

I'm aware. This one just makes the least sense of them all being as his profile is so transparent. You know who he is, who his mother is, where he worked, etc etc.

Joker's allure is that you don't know him, which is why I was skeptical about a joker movie to begin with. But I felt like if they were gonna do it, make him mysterious to Gotham the way he's always been.

But aside from all that, tell me what really happened in this movie except joker killing people, laughing and dancing everywhere and just being a creep? What was the plot? What was he trying to accomplish? What's his end game? He's basically just a glorified crackhead in this movie.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

I think this is one of the things that is most uncomfortable about this movie. Does Arthur deserve sympathy? Yes. Did anyone in this movie deserve to die (even the bullies)? No. But especially the people just doing their job and living their lives. Yet Arthur justifies killing all of them and some audience members may even empathize with his rationale. It's really scary that killing people can be empathized with. Where it crosses into incel territory for me is the scapegoating of society for a personal decision to end people. And of course you'll never see mental illness or empathy of this scale being given to a black killer. There is a fervor to embrace mental illness as a justification and try to sympathize when the person is a white male that's not given to anyone else. I find that most disturbing.

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Damn all that, them cacs on the train deserved that, Randall deserved it, Murray Franklin low key deserved it, hell even them kids in the beginning of the movie should of at least got a good beat down. Damn all that no one deserved it shyt, some people need to be fukked up sometimes bruh

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

I noticed two of the negative reviews I read mentioned the movie didn't "say anything." I hate that pretentious prattle. A lot of modern day negative reviews turn into these grandiose think pieces and they always criticize a movie for not making some impactful, society changing statement.

Let the movie itself be a statement on it's own.

Which is weird because I think the movie says a lot. What "the movie didn't say anything" really means is it didn't say what I wanted/expect.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I'm aware. This one just makes the least sense of them all being as his profile is so transparent. You know who he is, who his mother is, where he worked, etc etc.

Joker's allure is that you don't know him, which is why I was skeptical about a joker movie to begin with. But I felt like if they were gonna do it, make him mysterious to Gotham the way he's always been.

But aside from all that, tell me what really happened in this movie except joker killing people, laughing and dancing everywhere and just being a creep? What was the plot? What was he trying to accomplish? What's his end game? He's basically just a glorified crackhead in this movie.

That's the point...he is an agent of chaos, that has been fed and nurtured by the cesspool that is Gotham City

True...he MIGHT be the result of a decent man having a bad day or a series of bad events but that doesn't condone his actions because what he does is pure madness and the actions of a Psychopath.

Bruce Wayne had a bad day once...but he used that to push himself towards becoming a better man so that he could save the city in the way that his father could'nt, that the police can't, that ordinary people can't because Gotham is a hell that most can't fathom. And mind you this is Gotham City BEFORE Thomas Wayne dies...when Bruce comes back from his journey around the world learning things and training, the city is even WORSE, which is part of what spurs him to become The Batman.

This is why Batman never kills Joker...Joker killed Jason Todd, raped and paralyzed Barbara, and is responsible for thousands of other deaths in Gotham, but if he kills Joker, he is no better than Joker...