Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

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Welp....that was the best comic book movie I've ever seen. I was getting tired of the genre but this shyt right here. I felt 30 pounds heavier after watching this shyt. Heavy dark shyt there man. Not sure I can go back to watching forced jokes and shytty villains after someshyt like this.
 

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I think that whole art is subjective shyt is a lie and play.
made by people who are not gifted with the ability to actually pencil. Then misappropriating being a penciler or real artist. for buzzwords like painter, musician etc.then coupling misappropriation with absence of reason. then trying to misappropriate what a penciler or real artist can do. For what someone who is incapable of penciling at a high level. Then calling anything lesser skilled than pencilin.
this misappropriated buzzword called art.
which is a fools' foolhearty agent employing absence of reason.


art is not subjective.
can you draw or not makes you an artist.

A painter is not an artist.
he is a painter.

A rapper is not a rapper culturally.
it is a misappropriated teem for someone not an emcee.

Same misappropriation, and absent of reason present in labeling everything art.

just because you paint does not mean you can draw and thus are not an artist.
if you can not draw period.

being able to draw is a god gifted talent.

that is bestowed without reason.

anything after being capable of being able to draw. Is acting with reason because you can not draw at all. Or create real drawings from nature or your mind. that fully and realistically illustrate life in a standard black white medium.

meaning without the aid of the color palette as well.

you are not an artist.
if you do not have this gift period.

this whole art is subjective is a lie.
it is a liar takes or finesse funds.
from someone who is not gifted with ability to pencil.
anyone who can really draw for real on a real self taught master level will tell you the truth about art.

anything else is a liar using component absent of reason.




Art Barr


the only real penciler.
or the only real artist first in this bytch for real.
all the rest of the shyt anyone says is a lie.
Especially someone who can not draw.
to latch on to being an artist. They are a low skill mediocre liar.
if they tell you different . Looking for a payday to be lazy and sell you more of their talentless misappropriated bullshyt.


If you doubt.
we can share artistic professional credits and work and i know you a liar. Or you a talentless classically trained phoney at the end of The day.
y'all listen to liars employing absence of reason.
nit knowing but thinking you are artistically creating this new journey. When you only restepping over misappropriated steps of others.
foolhearted enough to chase the same misforgotten path to poverty.


keep believe'n dese dolts.

Or believe the person.
outside of their real artistic natural talents.
went to work as the best.
where he already made it so.
you could even communicate with someone like minded.


art barr
Art is subjective. Went to an art museum over the weekend and there were things in there that I wouldn’t say is “art” but clearly someone else does. No two people are going to view everything the same. You and I can watch the same episode of the Simpsons and walk away with two different views of the same thing. That in itself means it’s subjective. It’s not a lie. The only objective truth in this world is fact-based stuff like physics, math, etc. 2+2=4. That’s always going to be 4. I can’t look at the numbers in a different way and say “well no, I believe 2+2=26” but I can look at a movie and view it differently than you. If you see the joker and think it’s bad but I see it and think it’s good, both views are valid and there’s no right or wrong answer.

We are the summation of our experiences and we take those experiences into everything. Skyfall is always going to hit me hard because at its core, the movie is about someone losing their mother. That shyt will always affect me and I can’t divorce myself from that life experience while watching it.

On the flip side, my best friend loves interstellar while I don’t. But for him, it’s a movie about a father and daughter connecting through time and space and finding each other no matter the obstacle. And as a man with a daughter, that shyt has a profound impact on him and it gets him in a way I won’t be able to understand until I’m in his shoes. That’s the subjective part. I spoke to a director yesterday and he echoed that in a brief sentence: movies are what you make of them.
 

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When the midget couldn't reach the chain :russ:

That whole scene had me messed up. I went from shocked to repulsed to amused and then feeling guilty

Also
The Joker that goes to war with Batman can't be the same Joker as this one right? It has to be some guy who looked up to Arthur and decided to copy his style right:patrice:? Because Arthur is like 40 in this Bruce Wayne was like 10. And when Batman goes at it with Joker isn't he around 40 himself? Like 30 years later.Why would he be fighting a 70 year old Joker?

Damn, that's a great point. I think it's a good idea too.
 

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The Joker that goes to war with Batman can't be the same Joker as this one right? It has to be some guy who looked up to Arthur and decided to copy his style right:patrice:? Because Arthur is like 40 in this Bruce Wayne was like 10. And when Batman goes at it with Joker isn't he around 40 himself? Like 30 years later.Why would he be fighting a 70 year old Joker?
I thought about this too. With all the physical and mental abuse Arthur suffered he could be 30 just as easily, which would still put him around 50 when Bruce matures and becomes Batman. Especially when you factor in him being adopted, its hard to pinpoint an age. Also Joker is just a different creature with some mythos to him, if he happens to be 50 when they start to tangle and he has a 10 year run as a crimnal mastermind, its not the craziest of stretches. shyt if claimed him to be 27 in the movie, they can just get away with it at the end of the day, because its just the fukking Joker at the end of the day
 

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So what was up with the picture Arthur had towards the end of the movie? It's a picture of his mom with a note from Thomas Wayne that said something like "You have a beautiful smile" . Could Thomas have really smashed Arthur's mom and set her up to be institutionalized and planted the adoption story? There's been some stores that have painted Thomas as corrupt as fukk. Also the kid playing Bruce played a younger version of Joaquin in another movie.
 

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I could see this story being told in reverse, with this Joker being the origin, the Heath Joker being the second and Jacks Joker being kind of the end form of Joker. This story seems 70s ish while the first Batman was kind of 80s ish in its vibes so maybe it could work.
I hope they have already started filming for a part two though. I loved this movie.
 

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So what was up with the picture Arthur had towards the end of the movie? It's a picture of his mom with a note from Thomas Wayne that said something like "You have a beautiful smile" . Could Thomas have really smashed Arthur's mom and set her up to be institutionalized and planted the adoption story? There's been some stores that have painted Thomas as corrupt as fukk. Also the kid playing Bruce played a younger version of Joaquin in another movie.
I took it as she forged it with her delusions of grandeur. I think the physical/mental abuse Arthur suffered was very real, which explains his current state. I think his mom was just a nut.
 

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I thought about this too. With all the physical and mental abuse Arthur suffered he could be 30 just as easily, which would still put him around 50 when Bruce matures and becomes Batman. Especially when you factor in him being adopted, its hard to pinpoint an age. Also Joker is just a different creature with some mythos to him, if he happens to be 50 when they start to tangle and he has a 10 year run as a crimnal mastermind, its not the craziest of stretches. shyt if claimed him to be 27 in the movie, they can just get away with it at the end of the day, because its just the fukking Joker at the end of the day
Plus we have no idea what the spill into that vat of chemicals does to him later on...we know it sends him even crazier but what does it do to his body??
 

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He’s not an incel at all he’s a person with mental health issues who was ignored and put to the side .
To me it’s also kind of a trump parable . Joker himself says he stands for nothing isn’t political and isn’t trying to start some revolution the people project their frustrations and meanin on him elevating him . Same with trump supporters who despite his actions and words rally around him as a symbol to sticking it to the elite and making snowflake tears when he’s a big snowflake himself just because they feel powerless.
And just like joker not taking someone’s issues serious lead to what he became a inspiration for the downtrodden

People are reaching with the incel shyt because we know some people with mental health issues may be somehow inspired by this . However the movie definitely isn’t asking you to be like oh the joker is right be like him . He’s just the protagonist of the movie but this movie is more a condemnation of the system for how it treats the less fortunate. They even have Wayne saying clowns like deplorables and people taking that as a rallying cry . As if Wayne is a bad guy when he’s just out of touch

I was very impressed with the way he transformed into the joker as he went from the soft Arthur fleck to a prototype of the joker we are familiar with .

I think this is one of the things that is most uncomfortable about this movie. Does Arthur deserve sympathy? Yes. Did anyone in this movie deserve to die (even the bullies)? No. But especially the people just doing their job and living their lives. Yet Arthur justifies killing all of them and some audience members may even empathize with his rationale. It's really scary that killing people can be empathized with. Where it crosses into incel territory for me is the scapegoating of society for a personal decision to end people. And of course you'll never see mental illness or empathy of this scale being given to a black killer. There is a fervor to embrace mental illness as a justification and try to sympathize when the person is a white male that's not given to anyone else. I find that most disturbing.
 
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