Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

[dangerranger]

I really don't understand how my point is getting lost in translation. Perhaps it's my communication style that isn't getting through. Let's say they make a movie about Darth Vader. Pretend the prequels don't exist. Only Episode 5, 6, & 7. We all know what Darth Vader looks like, sounds like, what he does etc. We know that he has Luke and Leia. We know Luke defeats him at the end of Episode 7. Now you're making a one off movie about Darth Vader and you mention his name is Anakin and blah blah blah, you create a whole story for Anakin and by the end of the film there is zero indication that the Darth Vader you made a movie about lines up with the Darth Vader in Episodes 5,6 & 7? This is essentially what I'm saying is what I see happening here. If you are creating a story that doesn't lead to a Joker that would face a Batman (which is set in stone) then you're just creating an else world tale. The issue with this else world tale is that one element is necessary for the other. Without Batman (the property), there is no Joker. So why make a movie about a character that is just an iconic as Batman, being part of Batman's world only to say the character the way we made him would never face a Batman.

 

[dangerranger]

It's not about Batman being in the movie, it's about an all roads of Joker's origins should lead to a villain worthy of Batman. Joker isn't a low level goon. He's just that dude on the villain scale. If you cannot create a story that truly services the creation of one of Batman's most formidable foe, then you've done something wrong. Like I said I've read the script details and many of you combatting me have yet to admit you've done so and bring those details to the table for this to be a fair debate. As said, I'll see you in October.

 

[hex]

then you're just creating an else world tale.

Ok. That's what they did then.

Marvel is doing an entire TV series based on their "What If?" comics....I think DC will be fine doing it for one movie.

Like I said I've read the script details and many of you combatting me have yet to admit you've done so.

Openly discussing the leaked script or spoilers in any capacity is a bannable offense. So I'm not sure what you expect people to do here.

Fred.

 

[MartyMcFly]

If you thought that you were ever going to see Joaquin Phoenix getting punched in the face by someone in a Batman costume then you completely ignored everything that was made public about this movie.

Just quoting for emphasis

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Booked my IMAX SEATS..5TH OCTOBER. for me and my gorgeous ripped spanish/dutch man!!

 

[jwinfield]

This is essentially what I'm saying is what I see happening here. If you are creating a story that doesn't lead to a Joker that would face a Batman (which is set in stone) then you're just creating an else world tale.

So a movie about a comic book character is doing an elseworld tale like comic books do

 

[hex]

So a movie about a comic book character is doing an elseworld tale like comic books do

Yeah I don't get what dude is saying.

It's a one off movie, if it was a planned trilogy or even had one sequel confirmed and they were talking about there's no Batman then I could kinda see his point.

But it's the origin of a character with no set origin, Batman isn't in the movie and it's a one off.

Cats really letting interviews ruin movies for them.

Fred.

 

[Still FloW]

One of the major plot twists in this movie is


Again I say, this could've probably been a dope movie without minus the comic book dressings on it.

you STILL here?? either you hate the movie or shut the fukk UP.

closet disgruntled stan.. nikka damn

go get some p*ssy or dikk or whatever your bytch ass is into...

 

[Jello Biafra]

I really don't understand how my point is getting lost in translation. Perhaps it's my communication style that isn't getting through. Let's say they make a movie about Darth Vader. Pretend the prequels don't exist. Only Episode 5, 6, & 7. We all know what Darth Vader looks like, sounds like, what he does etc. We know that he has Luke and Leia. We know Luke defeats him at the end of Episode 7. Now you're making a one off movie about Darth Vader and you mention his name is Anakin and blah blah blah, you create a whole story for Anakin and by the end of the film there is zero indication that the Darth Vader you made a movie about lines up with the Darth Vader in Episodes 5,6 & 7? This is essentially what I'm saying is what I see happening here. If you are creating a story that doesn't lead to a Joker that would face a Batman (which is set in stone) then you're just creating an else world tale. The issue with this else world tale is that one element is necessary for the other. Without Batman (the property), there is no Joker. So why make a movie about a character that is just an iconic as Batman, being part of Batman's world only to say the character the way we made him would never face a Batman.

Darth Vader has a definitive origin that needs all the trappings of Jedis and shyt to make it work. And the Star Wars films are all movies that are tied to one another telling stories about characters within a specific fictional world.
The same thing isn't true for Joker. There is no set Joker origin. This movie is not tied to any films that came before it so there is no reason to think it needs to lineup the characterization with how the Joker was presented in The Dark Knight or Batman 89.
Your hypothetical just doesn't work.

 

[dangerranger]

Darth Vader has a definitive origin that needs all the trappings of Jedis and shyt to make it work. And the Star Wars films are all movies that are tied to one another telling stories about characters within a specific fictional world.
The same thing isn't true for Joker. There is no set Joker origin. This movie is not tied to any films that came before it so there is no reason to think it needs to lineup the characterization with how the Joker was presented in The Dark Knight or Batman 89.
Your hypothetical just doesn't work.

No because in the same vein of what you’re saying the opposite holds true. If there is no definitive origin and he doesn’t have to lead up to the joker we all know then this movie isn’t about Joker. It’s about a random man who dresses as a clown. There is no end if there’s no beginning. Since the end has been written then the beginning should lead to that. That’s what I keep trying to explain. Everyone keeps saying the beginning isn’t written but when you know what the joker is, the beginning should map to that. When you have posters excusing the beginning not mapping to Batman because it’s a one off there is something wrong with that picture. Because what can happen is you can end up with an inaccurate character and people excusing it by saying well it’s a one off so anything can be done just because. I guess some people are okay with that argument as it’s clear I’m not. I look forward to how myself and the individual posters respond once the movie drops. Only then I feel we can have a fair debate. So I’ll wait till then.

 

[Json]

It's not about Batman being in the movie, it's about an all roads of Joker's origins should lead to a villain worthy of Batman. Joker isn't a low level goon. He's just that dude on the villain scale. If you cannot create a story that truly services the creation of one of Batman's most formidable foe, then you've done something wrong. Like I said I've read the script details and many of you combatting me have yet to admit you've done so and bring those details to the table for this to be a fair debate. As said, I'll see you in October.

How can a character with no origin lead to Batman? By your own standards it can be anything.

Until Batman shows up he has no ying to his yang which is not what this story is trying to talking about.

It’s about Joker and Gotham.

If you think this version of Gotham can create Batman then it can create Joker.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

 

[Jello Biafra]

No because in the same vein of what you’re saying the opposite holds true. If there is no definitive origin and he doesn’t have to lead up to the joker we all know then this movie isn’t about Joker. It’s about a random man who dresses as a clown. There is no end if there’s no beginning. Since the end has been written then the beginning should lead to that. That’s what I keep trying to explain. Everyone keeps saying the beginning isn’t written but when you know what the joker is, the beginning should map to that. When you have posters excusing the beginning not mapping to Batman because it’s a one off there is something wrong with that picture. Because what can happen is you can end up with an inaccurate character and people excusing it by saying well it’s a one off so anything can be done just because. I guess some people are okay with that argument as it’s clear I’m not. I look forward to how myself and the individual posters respond once the movie drops. Only then I feel we can have a fair debate. So I’ll wait till then.

It will never be a fair debate because your point makes no sense.

 

[Carl Tethers]

I'd like to see this as one of the many origins The Joker himself tells people

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

got tickets for the imax ... this gonna look beautiful