His power is collecting dirt and influencing people with real power. Look at this scene with Cersei when he openly does what Ned did and Cersei did a little demonstration showing that she could just end him. He got overconfident with Arya without knowing her motives.
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His power is collecting dirt and influencing people with real power. Look at this scene with Cersei when he openly does what Ned did and Cersei did a little demonstration showing that she could just end him. He got overconfident with Arya without knowing her motives.
The Radiant One
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Showing that would have ruined the suspense.
Warn Ned to stop the Night King?
Ned couldn't even save his own neck but he gonna fukk with a 8,000 year old OG
Bran going back in time and waking up as the only one that remembers anything
Here's a suggestion: sit ya dumb ass down. Leave the thinking to the smart nikkas
Not necessarily stop the Night King, but perhaps not going south when Robert asked him to? Maybe not trusting Littlefinger?
Maybe ordering the north to prepare for the army of the dead, while he was still warden of the north?
I also said "or someone else", so whoever could help the situation..
You still didn't offer up your opinion on how's it's going to end...
It's not my fault you're a simpleton with no imagination.
The funny thing to me is when I criticize the show, I'm not arbitrarily applying impossible standards to it. I'm applying the same standards the show itself set in the first four seasons. When I complain about them ignoring the internal consistency of the world, I'm doing that because the earlier seasons prided themselves on having an internally consistent world, where location and character motivations guided the plot. So it trips me out that people that somehow became a fan of the show in the earlier seasons, are now saying to not compare the show to itself or judge it by the standards it created for itself. fukk that.
I'll criticize the show when it appears spies no longer exist, and everyone is always being ambushed.
I'll criticize the show when battles have artificial stakes, and they keep having last minute Hollywood style saves. Whether it's Jon falling in ice water for Benjen to come, or Jamie being pushed into a river and winding up a mile away with full armor on.
I'll criticize the show when the script have glaring plot holes, and characters make baffling decisions that aren't punished.
I'll criticize it because the show used to be above it, which is why GoT was always originally described as a show that was better than those other popular shows on TV. But now I have fans telling me to shut off my brain and not think about it. But that was never how I watched this show before, and I never would have started watching if this was going to be a show that asked it's audience to not engage and invest in the details. The details matter for this show, especially if it's asking to be a GOAT contender.
But beyond the show valuing spectacle over plot now, I also have an issue with a lot of the characterization. The character development of my favorite characters has been lacking severely since season 4. I still like a lot of characters, but I realize I like them mostly based on arcs from several seasons ago, rather than anything they have done recently.
Jaimie, Arya, Tyrion, Littlefinger, etc, felt like they were running on fumes from the momentum of past seasons, or either treading water as characters to use another analogy. I think it's worth pointing out that the showrunners have not been as strong with writing the characters.
I would be more forgiving if the show-runners themselves seemed to care about creating a logically consistent show, but they themselves have basically said "who cares, we have budget for dragons now"
which is really why I'm done giving them the benefit of the doubt. They can fukk all the way off with that, and honestly, so can fans that defend that.So yeah. I realize I'm watching a different show now. It's not the tightly written, sometimes subversive, Machiavellian political drama. It's a spectacle-driven action adventure fantasy. The earlier seasons could be considered great seasons even without having one spectacle episode. The latter seasons have basically had to be saved by them because they couldn't claim greatness without them. And I've had to adapt and reset my expectations for that kind of storytelling.
I still enjoy the show. I fell in love with the characters and world building, so I'm fully invested in seeing it to the end. I spent $600 to enjoy the Game of Thrones concert with other fans and it was
I listen to the podcasts and watch youtube channels solely devoted to the series. I defend the show whenever it gets unfair criticism. I played the taletell games. I've gotten several friends and family members hooked on the show after always talking about it. Just because I will call out bullshyt, doesn't make me less of a fan. I want this show to be the best it can be, especially since I'm convinced I'm not going to get an ending to this story from the books. This is the only ending I'll ever get. So I'm like, please be well written and make the payoff good and satisfying
But there are just times where it's not well written and the payoff is not good or satisfying. That is what the penultimate episode was for me. Pretty, some funny moments, but terribly written and thus I couldn't find any satisfaction in the payoff. It felt hollow. And enough people felt the same way for me to know it isn't just me.
As far as season 7 as a whole, I think I only actually disliked one or two episodes this season. And even when I dislike the storytelling of an episode, I still can appreciate the production value and acting of individual scenes, and marvel at the next level shyt this show is doing for television. But I just don't understand the people that want to act like nothing has changed in regards to the kind of show you're watching, or that people that criticize the pacing, and plotting are being unreasonable, or that people that aren't just going to gush over dragons fighting monsters when they see writing issues are just "complaining just to complain" or whatever other agenda they want to assign their criticism.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think even most of the people defending the writing of these last few seasons will eventually come to see that the criticisms are valid once the show is over. We're so starved to see what is going to happen next, so focused on getting to the end, getting that next huge battle, huge moment, that the newness of the episode sometimes shields it from being examined too critically. We're too caught up in the fun of the spectacle and memes and to really even care about how we got there.
But 5 years from now, once the show is over, once you know how it all ended, once you're no longer theorizing who is the prince that was promised, or who will sit the iron throne, or what the end game is, you'll do a rewatch of the entire series ready to judge every bit of it on it's own merit, and find yourself appreciating the attention to detail, the character arcs, the dialogue, the foreshadowing, the build up, the payoff of seasons and episodes and certain problems you didn't care about before will become more glaring, when juxtaposed to other episodes....like, damn this really didn't make any sense
That's how it was for me when I defended a lot of season 5, then after some time passed went back and rewatched it like, shyt they were right
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kinda felt this ep was disappointing, and predictable, although still very enjoyable. I know they're speeding up the story to final arc but some of this has been basic as hell.
Littlefinger going out like that?
Insinuating that arya wants to be lady of winterfell To give basic sansa a student>teacher moment.
Varys better go out the same way if it's like that
Bran constantly sonning littlefinger and then being all
when Sam (who was all 
when gilly mentions it to him first) mentions rhaegar's annulment and marriage to lyanna
The wall comes down just like that.
EDIT: cersei everything
I know they're speeding up the story to final arc but some of this has been basic as hell.Littlefinger going out like that?
Insinuating that arya wants to be lady of winterfell To give basic sansa a student>teacher moment.Varys better go out the same way if it's like that
Bran constantly sonning littlefinger and then being all
when Sam (who was all when gilly mentions it to him first) mentions rhaegar's annulment and marriage to lyanna The wall comes down just like that.
EDIT: cersei everything
OJ Simpsom
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I'm starting to think that the Mountain might end up merking Cersei. He didn't even try to protect her when the wight was inches away from her, didn't touch the Hound, Tyrion or even Jamie after she gave the order. Either he's becoming useless or probably just waiting for the right moment to go rogue.
reservoirdogs
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his vanity and his feelings toward Stark women - I mean Catherine and Sansa - were always his Achilles heel. Eventually it costed him hi life. Even after Sansa aired him out a few episodes back he still fully believed he had her under control and didn't see her as a real threat probably imagined like they get rid of Aria then he uses Sansa as a pawn and becomes the true leader of Winterfell/North.
This is why Varys will always have/had the advantage over Tyrion and Petyr in the bigger game, contrary to them he isn't influenced by his feelings toward women because he has none. His only real disadvantage is his deep fear or things of magical nature.
How yall nikkas crying about something that was supposed to happen the whole time.
It's been known from jump that at some point, all the human bickering would seem meaningless once Winter arrives, and they all would have to link up to deal with the White Walkers.
I'm saying. They had White Walkers in the first fukking scene of the entire series....but nah, it's unimportant and shoe horned in.
Fred.
Speaking of White Walkers, I never understood why they gave Sam a pass. I think in season 3. When he's lost in the snow storm and the entire army rides by him. The White Walker just gave him a
glance and then kept it moving.Fred.
reservoirdogs
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Because Sam is the circus spectacle of the show. They partly need him for pointing him out loudly saying "Look ho timid is this guy but he still survives"Speaking of White Walkers, I never understood why they gave Sam a pass. I think in season 3. When he's lost in the snow storm and the entire army rides by him. The White Walker just gave him a
Fred.
Grant Morrison said it best.
You can show a child The Little Mermaid and the child knows that crabs and fish and shyt aren't singing and dancing under the ocean. They KNOW it's not real.
Show an adult something fantastic and they ask all these dumb questions. "How old is he? How are they flying? Why does he wear that? How does he do that!?"
ITS NOT REAL!!!!!
even fantasy is expected to have internal consistency. otherwise there can never be any drama of tension
and no one wants to watch a show that's completely void of logic. we spend a lot of time trying to figure out people's motives and making predictions. if 'anything can happen', there's no point in trying to figure shyt out
