OFFICIAL Game of Thrones Season 7 Thread - Winds of Winter. Spoilers=BAN, Theories in [spoiler] tags

[trillanova]

Jon's eyes closely resemble Arthur Dayne's.



Sansa was absolutely correct. Jon was killed in the Night's Watch for sparing traitors and those who held disdain for him. He's an honorable fool like Ned Stark and already died once for it, just like Ned. Sansa follows the maxim of one of the most shrewd politicial actors in GOT: Tywin Lannister.

You don't spare traitors; you make an example of them. Hang them like these NFL cacs hanged Kaepernick (pieces of shyt they all are, it works). Hence the song Rains of Castamere. Tywin died because he hated his midget son, not because anyone betrayed him. Why? Because he killed them all.

Tywin even planned to kill loyal subjects like Gregor Clegace because while Gregor was useful, he had outlived his usefulness by putting the Lannisters in harm's way. Accordingly Gregor was better off dead. Tywin killed Robb Stark because Robb, like Jon, chooses to marshall an army of traitors. Sansa is right.

Exactly. People who side with the Starks put honor and nobility above maintaining and preserving your bloodline at all cost. All great leaders understand this. The Game of Thrones is not so much for power but to maintain their lineage and ensure the name and bloodline survives. Anyone that threatens that is out of here no questions asked. The Starks choose to put other people before themselves and this is why they continue to get wiped out, which is why I say they're idiots. Being noble and honorable are good as character traits but it is not how you play the game to ensure your survival. They are terrible at it.

And even with the white walker situation it doesn't change their terrible strategic and tactical IQ. Even if they unite with all the houses and defeat the white walkers they'll still always be targets because they don't know what it truly takes to maintain a kingdom.

 

[FukYaFeelings]

Jon is Lil Finger's son

Nikka his dad is a Targeryan or whatever

 

[Monoblock]

Exactly. People who side with the Starks put honor and nobility above maintaining and preserving your bloodline at all cost. All great leaders understand this. The Game of Thrones is not so much for power but to maintain their lineage and ensure the name and bloodline survives. Anyone that threatens that is out of here no questions asked. The Starks choose to put other people before themselves and this is why they continue to get wiped out, which is why I say they're idiots. Being noble and honorable are good as character traits but it is not how you play the game to ensure your survival. They are terrible at it.

And even with the white walker situation it doesn't change their terrible strategic and tactical IQ. Even if they unite with all the houses and defeat the white walkers they'll still always be targets because they don't know what it truly takes to maintain a kingdom.

It's hard to argue against this..you just might be right..

 

[Adam3000]

Exactly. People who side with the Starks put honor and nobility above maintaining and preserving your bloodline at all cost. All great leaders understand this. The Game of Thrones is not so much for power but to maintain their lineage and ensure the name and bloodline survives. Anyone that threatens that is out of here no questions asked. The Starks choose to put other people before themselves and this is why they continue to get wiped out, which is why I say they're idiots. Being noble and honorable are good as character traits but it is not how you play the game to ensure your survival. They are terrible at it.

And even with the white walker situation it doesn't change their terrible strategic and tactical IQ. Even if they unite with all the houses and defeat the white walkers they'll still always be targets because they don't know what it truly takes to maintain a kingdom.

Our bloodline is preserved, rock solid

Jon is king, he can name himself Stark with the snap of his finger

Bran is alive and has mental Viagra

We good. Meera Reed and Alys Karstark better start warming up them guts

 

[godkiller]

Our bloodline is preserved, rock solid

Jon is king, he can name himself Stark with the snap of his finger

Bran is alive and has mental
Viagra

We good. Meera and Alys Karstark better start warming up them guts

Jon would be dead without Sansa just like he was dead when traitors he spared nevertheless gutted him in the Night's Watch. If the Starks live it will be because Bran is a supernatural being and/or being Sansa becomes a version of Cersei. Jon is already showing signs of the honorable stupidity Robert Baratheon and Littlefinger chastised Ned Stark for having.

There is a time and place for honor. There is a time and place for doing whatever it takes to win. Tywin Lannister had honor but he also had intellect. He loved his family and didn't allow them to wallow with pigs. At the same time he would slaughter his enemies at a feast or on the battlefield. And he woudl slaughter all his""so-called friends" who would turn on him before they ever did.

As George R. Martin writes, Tywin Lannister was the the Mad King's Hand for many years and the Kingdom prospered under his leadership. It was Tywin that instilled the words, "The Lannister always pay their debts", by drowning an entire family under a mountain for their treachery. Who would betray the Lannisters when all know the Lannisters feed traitors' childrens to lions---and always win in the end? None.

Quotes about Tywin Lannister:

"Kevan: Tywin seems a hard man to you, but he's no harder than he's had to be. Our own father was gentle and amiable, but so weak his bannermen mocked him in their cups. Some saw fit to defy him openly. Other lords borrowed his gold and never troubled to repay it. At court they japed of toothless lions. Even his own mistress stole from him. A woman scarcely one step above a whore, and she helped herself to my mother's jewels! It fell to Tywin to restore House Lannister to its proper place. Just as it fell to him to rule this realm, when he was no more than twenty. He bore that heavy burden for twenty years and all it earned him was a mad king's envy. Instead of the honor he deserved, he was made to suffer slights beyond count, yet he gave the Seven Kingdoms peace, plenty and justice. He is a just man.

Tyrion: You love him.
Kevan: He is my brother.[6]"

 

[trillanova]

Our bloodline is preserved, rock solid

Jon is king, he can name himself Stark with the snap of his finger

Bran is alive and has mental Viagra

We good. Meera Reed and Alys Karstark better start warming up them guts

I mean you can talk all the shyt you want but it doesn't change the history and nobody is safe right now. Without the Lord of Light ya'll wouldn't even be a factor. The only reason you can even still post in this thread is because Betty White came through in the clutch. You can't run on magic and luck forever. Eventually you have to use common sense which you all lack completely.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

That ain't his son.

Not Robert's son? That's the point of my post...

 

[HARLEM AL]

Not Robert's son? That's the point of my post...

Ok

 

[godkiller]

It's hard to argue against this..you just might be right..

Quotes about Tywin Lannister:

"Kevan: Tywin seems a hard man to you, but he's no harder than he's had to be. Our own father was gentle and amiable, but so weak his bannermen mocked him in their cups. Some saw fit to defy him openly. Other lords borrowed his gold and never troubled to repay it. At court they japed of toothless lions. Even his own mistress stole from him. A woman scarcely one step above a whore, and she helped herself to my mother's jewels! It fell to Tywin to restore House Lannister to its proper place. Just as it fell to him to rule this realm, when he was no more than twenty. He bore that heavy burden for twenty years and all it earned him was a mad king's envy. Instead of the honor he deserved, he was made to suffer slights beyond count, yet he gave the Seven Kingdoms peace, plenty and justice. He is a just man."


“ I have served six kings, but here before us lies the greatest man I ever knew. Lord Tywin wore no crown, yet he was all a king should be.[40] ”
– Pycelle

Tywin buried an entire family--men, women and children--under a mountain not just for their teachery, but for all the treachery his family suffered under his father. Other men thought the young battle commander Tywin Lannister should spare them, but Tywin said no. The Lannisters take no more slights, no more dishonor, and would ensure all their debts would be repaid in full. Every other ho henceforth, from Lord Ned Stark to the Mad Targaryaen King, in the Kingdoms obeyed him thereafter or faced the same fate.

Indeed, partly for the Mad King's holding Jamie Lannister hostage as a way to maintain Tywin's flow of gold and loyalty, Tywin feigned he would defend King's Landing. He didn't use honor to get through pass the walls; he used dishonor and trickery. And then he killed ALL the Targaryaens he could for the Mad King's dishonor. Then he let Robert Baratheon rule and had his daughter, Cersei Lannister, rule Robert Baratheon. To this day they say the Targayaens ache for their lost throne and dead family. And Robert Baratheon is dead. Cersei Lannister rules in his place.

Once again, there is a time and place for honor. There is a time and place for tickery. Tywin knew the time and place. Ned didn't, which is why that honorable bytch boy was banished to the North after Robert's rebellion while Tywin ruled from Casterly Rock. If Robert Baratheon had surrounded himself with Starks, he would still be dead when Tywin schemed it, because the Starks are honorable fools.

#LannisterSet

@trillanova

 

[Konnan]

how or where are y'all watching this?

HBO, HBOGo, or HBO Now

 

[trillanova]

HBO, HBOGo, or HBO Now

#torrentset

 

[Mr. Brown]

Emilia Clarke's costume is terrible. The producers of this show have turned it into Game of Feminists and dressed Danerys in nun clothing so as not to offend women. It's ridiculous. It's OK to slaughter men like sheep but women can't show breast and vagina like Martin writes that they do in a sexist, medieval, uncivilized environment where men rule by force of might.

All that being said, I wouldn't be so annoyed by this change if the show had some black people who aren't slaves, mutes or prostitutes. George R Martin doesn't understand black people so he cannot write us in as people instead of objects.

I'm pretty sure the reason for the costume change is because winter is here. It's not full blown like in the North, but I think it's reasonable to assume that it's colder in Dragonstone than it was in Essos. Missandei, Grey Worm and the rest of the Unsullied also have long sleeves now this season (as do Tyrion and Varys but they usually have long sleeves anyway).


And if you're concerned about the lack of skin

Spoiler

Missandei is going to be naked in next week's episode

 

[Robbie3000]

Jon would be dead without Sansa just like he was dead when traitors he spared nevertheless gutted him in the Night's Watch. If the Starks live it will be because Bran is a supernatural being and/or being Sansa becomes a version of Cersei. Jon is already showing signs of the honorable stupidity Robert Baratheon and Littlefinger chastised Ned Stark for having.

There is a time and place for honor. There is a time and place for doing whatever it takes to win. Tywin Lannister had honor but he also had intellect. He loved his family and didn't allow them to wallow with pigs. At the same time he would slaughter his enemies at a feast or on the battlefield. And he woudl slaughter all his""so-called friends" who would turn on him before they ever did.

As George R. Martin writes, Tywin Lannister was the the Mad King's Hand for many years and the Kingdom prospered under his leadership. It was Tywin that instilled the words, "The Lannister always pay their debts", by drowning an entire family under a mountain for their treachery. Who would betray the Lannisters when all know the Lannisters feed traitors' childrens to lions---and always win in the end? None.

Quotes about Tywin Lannister:

"Kevan: Tywin seems a hard man to you, but he's no harder than he's had to be. Our own father was gentle and amiable, but so weak his bannermen mocked him in their cups. Some saw fit to defy him openly. Other lords borrowed his gold and never troubled to repay it. At court they japed of toothless lions. Even his own mistress stole from him. A woman scarcely one step above a whore, and she helped herself to my mother's jewels! It fell to Tywin to restore House Lannister to its proper place. Just as it fell to him to rule this realm, when he was no more than twenty. He bore that heavy burden for twenty years and all it earned him was a mad king's envy. Instead of the honor he deserved, he was made to suffer slights beyond count, yet he gave the Seven Kingdoms peace, plenty and justice. He is a just man.

Tyrion: You love him.
Kevan: He is my brother.[6]"

Bruh, you have to put yourself in Jon's shoes. You have seen the White Walkers, you know what they are capable of and what they want, how can you even think about petty squabbles?

It's like fighting aliens in space, getting back to Earth, and someone is telling you to focus on Syria and North Korea as the main threats. bytch, Aliens are coming, I don't have time to worry about Assad and Kim Jung Un...I have a civilization to save.

Even Tywin, one of the most cynical men in the land, sacrificed his pride for the sake of the realm for years while serving as hand of the king. Jon is just doing the same but on a grander scale. All the petty squabbles are irrelevant when the Night King is marching down to the wall with an army of the dead and fukking whight giants.

Jon can be vindictive and shrewd as he chooses in punishing disloyal banner men, but that's not going to do any good when the White Walkers come across that wall.

 

[Mr. Brown]

Sansa was absolutely correct in her exchange with Jon.

I disagree. First of all, her undermining him in front of everyone was wrong, whether you think she's right or not, that wasn't the place for her to have a back and forth with him and that makes Jon look bad. 2nd, if all that's left of the Umbers and Kastarks is really those kids as the heads of the family there's no need to have children pay for the crimes of their parents.

 

[Robbie3000]

This @Roddy Right character brings a lot of baggage to a fukking fantasy show about dragons.