Official Game of Thrones Season 6 Thread

[Tasha And]

One thing that Littlefinger clip does remind me is that Littlefinger is carrying a royal decree, which would have allowed him to travel unmolested into the North. I know some were wondering how would he get past the Freys.

It still doesn't answer why the Freys wouldn't send a raven to the Boltons or why Moat Caitlin wasn't garrisoned by Bolton men, though I could make up some plausible scenarios (they killed the Bolton men and shot down any ravens).

 

[detroitwalt]

I said this in the main thread, but it basically comes down to Sansa scheming vs. bad writing. I don't think they have the balls to make Sansa evil; I know they are capable of bad writing.

This. There was no reason to have Arya strolling through those Bravossi streets without a care in the world.

They also could have easily had Sansa say she sent a raven to the Vale but hadn't received a response yet and Jon saying he can't afford to wait. That would've deaded this whole conversation.

 

[Konnan]

Tony Teflon is about the only GOT YouTube channel I can watch anymore

Everybody nitpicks and complains like bytches all the time

 

[hex]

2. lets take a step back and clarify military terms

in wars there are strategic moves and there are tactical moves, you seem to be confusing the 2

STRATEGIC is big picture, TACTICAL is small picture

it is correct that the STRATEGIC purpose of the army was to defend Winterfell, but Ramsey had made a TACTICAL decision that he was going to defend in the field, he could have easily made a different TACTICAL decision to defend winterfell from the inside ala Blackfish

at the STRATEGIC level, once he defeated the starks, he would be unchallenged, any anger over minor tactical decision made in the battle would not compare to the complete STRATEGIC advantage HE GAINED, the starks becuase of heir name and theoritical ability to call up banners were the only STRATEGIC threat to ramsey, no other houses would give 2 fuks about the fact that the umbers and karstarcks were used as fodder and the umbers and the karstacks would have no TACTICAL advantage since their men were dead

so his plan made sense

ramsey was using the umbars and karstarks as fodder, aftert the battle was over they would not be in a position challenge him

4. that wasnt stupid and they werent his men, once the starks were defeated ramsey would have overwhelming STRATEGIC power over the north, if he had won, which he was just about to, the umbers and karstacks would not have been in either A TACTICAL (they had few men) or STRATEGIC (no house would rally to them) position to challenge him

it was good plan, littlefinger and sansa ruined it

I'm just gonna focus on 2 and 4.

2. You keep talking about military strategy and tactics....Ramsey choose to engage them in the field. Aight cool. He planned to use a double envelopment maneuver. Aight cool. The part where your argument breaks down is....you don't need to slaughter your own army to do that.

If your logic is "well, he used them as fodder so the other Houses would be too weakened to oppose him"....that brings me to my next point....

4. It wasn't an Umber or Karstark that told Ramsey his army was gone. It was his own man. Re-watch the scene. The only Boltons left were the ones encircling the field. That's a few hundred men, out of thousands of his own Bolton army he started with. Re-watch the cavalry scene....look at their armor and sigils. Most of the soldiers Jon Snow killed on the ground were Bolton. The vast majority of the calvalry....was all Bolton men. Not Umber or Karstark. He killed off his own army with arrows, and weakened his allies in the process.

Also, the largest Houses (Karstarks and Umbers) weren't opposing him anyway. They were allies. So at using them as fodder to ensure they don't rebel. shyt makes no sense whatsoever.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Rewatched the scene that looked like Jon killed one of his men. Him and the guy Jon stabbed before him had just yanked someone off of a horse and were stabbing him before Jon came and killed them both

Nah, it was two Boltons killing someone on the ground. Jon ran up and killed them both.

Fred.

 

[hex]

As far as Littlefinger

I could not be less interested in his Rube Goldberg-esque "chess moves" at this point in the series, with 15 episodes left. The whole point of securing Winterfell was to ready the North against the White Walkers. If they waste time with LF trying to become Warden Of The North or whatever political bullshyt he's up to, I'm going to put a foot through my TV. shyt was entertaining 2-3 seasons ago, we don't got time for all that now.

Fred.

 

[detroitwalt]

Nah, it was two Boltons killing someone on the ground. Jon ran up and killed them both.

Fred.

Yeah that's what I was saying. The 1st time I watched it I thought the 2nd guy was one of Jon's men and he just stabbed him in the confusion.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Regarding the her change in stance on Rickon's fate, bear in mind HBO used the scene of her telling Jon they needed to save Rickon in the "refresher" they show before Battle of the b*stards.

They clearly have her flip on purpose, it's not just bad writing.

 

[Trav]

HBO in scramble mode without the books, and just some bullet-points to go off of. Writing is painstakingly shoddy this season at times.They think we should just marvel at the payoff and big, shiny, bright lights and not remember how we got here. nikkas just trying to finish up as fast as possible now.

 

[CJ]

Jon picking up a House Mormont Bear shield in the end against Ramsey. Didn't catch that the first time.

Lyanna Da Young Gawd. 1 of those 62 men really did put shield to purpose

That attention to detail by the showrunners. Gotta give it up

 

[Tasha And]

As far as Littlefinger

I could not be less interested in his Rube Goldberg-esque "chess moves" at this point in the series, with 15 episodes left. The whole point of securing Winterfell was to ready the North against the White Walkers. If they waste time with LF trying to become Warden Of The North or whatever political bullshyt he's up to, I'm going to put a foot through my TV. shyt was entertaining 2-3 seasons ago, we don't got time for all that now.

Fred.

I'll always be more interested in the political fukkery than the fantasy fukkery.

Bring on more Littlefinger chaos is a ladder maneuvering. More Tyrion, Varys, Margery, Olenna, Sansa too. If the shyt just turns into one big CG battle fest for the last 15 episodes, then

 

[BillBanneker]

delete

 

[Starman]

As far as Littlefinger

I could not be less interested in his Rube Goldberg-esque "chess moves" at this point in the series, with 15 episodes left. The whole point of securing Winterfell was to ready the North against the White Walkers. If they waste time with LF trying to become Warden Of The North or whatever political bullshyt he's up to, I'm going to put a foot through my TV. shyt was entertaining 2-3 seasons ago, we don't got time for all that now.

Fred.

Word. Unless LF is making some BIG play towards the throne, then I don't care. His movements or whatever can me mentioned, but that's some footnote shyt.

That attention to detail by the showrunners. Gotta give it up

They do ok, except when they don't.

 

[Adam3000]

As far as Littlefinger

I could not be less interested in his Rube Goldberg-esque "chess moves" at this point in the series, with 15 episodes left. The whole point of securing Winterfell was to ready the North against the White Walkers. If they waste time with LF trying to become Warden Of The North or whatever political bullshyt he's up to, I'm going to put a foot through my TV. shyt was entertaining 2-3 seasons ago, we don't got time for all that now.

Fred.

So you just want entire story arcs abandoned because the White Walkers are coming?


No more Kings Landing or Daenerys or pretty much no more anything because Hexagram says we dont have time

Why didnt they just make this entire series a 1 season battle between good men and evil demons. Is that what this is supposed to be now?

 

[Krispy]

I see they killed Rickon because they couldn't be bothered actually creating a storyline for him and developing his character, I guess it's not a suprise considering they have like what 1 season left and they do want dwindle down the cast to potential winners of the Iron Throne, but I still think he's very important to the story in the book...I have faith