GoT would do that too smfh
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Disgustya Stallone
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burn the cityi was disappointed in this ep overall. i was hoping for a lot more action than what was shown.
what will cersei do now that there is no trial by combat ?
flee the city ?
christ some of you really can't pick up on signs and foreshadowing?
@Lifer11 Quite a few of these points are off. I don't know how to respond to it all without creating a huge wall of text so I'll just quote a few things that stand out. I hope it doesn't get too long.
He has changed, though it was more subtle than what most predicted. People thought he would incur a supernatural change because resurrection is a magical process, when instead went through an existential crises that deeply depressed him after being murdered by his brothers. This new Jon is less than he was. He's haggard and tired. He wants to flee south and get warm. He doesn't want to fight. He had to be convinced to fight, and even then, it's a half-hearted nod, nothing like the passion and anger he had when he wanted to go fight after Ned was killed. He's clearly more afraid of death after finding out there is nothing on the other side, no Ygritte, or Ned, or Robb, or anything else. That has affected him.
I agree that we should have been given some dialogue from some of the Northern Houses about him deserting and breaking his vows.
There is nothing contradictory about his reaction. This is a man that wept when Ned was executed. He isn't going to hand his children over personally to be flayed, but he also isn't going to commit suicide and destroy the rest of his house by joining a war with Widlings and no other Northern support. That's his sense of honor. Hear them out of respect for their father, but send them away out of disgust for their actions, and preservation to his own house, which was devastated by the previous war.
The Starks have been on a Northern recruiting trip. The reason Mel hasn't been around is the same reason Tormund hasn't. Stannis reached out to all of the Northern Houses. He was supported by Ned, he was fighting the Boltons, and he was going to fight the Lannisters...yet the North almost unanimously rejected him. It wasn't 100% because of religion, but the fact that he converted to some exotic Essos religion that burns people, boldly showcasing that by showing a burning Stag on his sigil, and had some Red Witch by his side didn't help. While Jon is out trying to gather support, he already has a hard time selling the idea of wildlings, he doesn't need a Red Witch by his side complicating things even more. Mel will be back on screen when she is relevant for the story.
You already hinted at this but again, I agree. I wish we could have gotten some more dialogue from people regarding his death, mainly Sansa.
You do realize not all of the Widlings saw his dead body or were at Castle Black for the resurrection? The majority of the Widlings were settling in the Gift, so it makes 100% sense that the rest would have to be convinced to fight for a Castle they don't give a shyt about. The Wildings are not a monolith. There are various clans, various traditions, various superstitions amongst them about gods. And while they united to flee south, this is still unprecedented territory for them. They have never been this far south. They have never been this organized. They have never been asked to fight another man's war. For every choice they make, they know that it is now for the survival of their entire kind, so they won't just be blindly following orders. Any step they take needs to be carefully measured, argued for, and accepted as the right thing to do for their people. And they were convinced by Jon and Tormound that fighting the Boltons was the best choice of action for their people. I'm not sure why that would be an issue in storytelling for you.
I either agree with your other points or don't feel compelled to respond.
Still waiting for a 10/10 or A+ episode this season. At this point, the season is hovering in the 7/10 or 8/10 range, mainly because of the Arya debacle, and not enough time North with Jon.
He has changed, though it was more subtle than what most predicted. People thought he would incur a supernatural change because resurrection is a magical process, when instead went through an existential crises that deeply depressed him after being murdered by his brothers. This new Jon is less than he was. He's haggard and tired. He wants to flee south and get warm. He doesn't want to fight. He had to be convinced to fight, and even then, it's a half-hearted nod, nothing like the passion and anger he had when he wanted to go fight after Ned was killed. He's clearly more afraid of death after finding out there is nothing on the other side, no Ygritte, or Ned, or Robb, or anything else. That has affected him.
I agree that we should have been given some dialogue from some of the Northern Houses about him deserting and breaking his vows.
There is nothing contradictory about his reaction. This is a man that wept when Ned was executed. He isn't going to hand his children over personally to be flayed, but he also isn't going to commit suicide and destroy the rest of his house by joining a war with Widlings and no other Northern support. That's his sense of honor. Hear them out of respect for their father, but send them away out of disgust for their actions, and preservation to his own house, which was devastated by the previous war.
The Starks have been on a Northern recruiting trip. The reason Mel hasn't been around is the same reason Tormund hasn't. Stannis reached out to all of the Northern Houses. He was supported by Ned, he was fighting the Boltons, and he was going to fight the Lannisters...yet the North almost unanimously rejected him. It wasn't 100% because of religion, but the fact that he converted to some exotic Essos religion that burns people, boldly showcasing that by showing a burning Stag on his sigil, and had some Red Witch by his side didn't help. While Jon is out trying to gather support, he already has a hard time selling the idea of wildlings, he doesn't need a Red Witch by his side complicating things even more. Mel will be back on screen when she is relevant for the story.
You already hinted at this but again, I agree. I wish we could have gotten some more dialogue from people regarding his death, mainly Sansa.
You do realize not all of the Widlings saw his dead body or were at Castle Black for the resurrection? The majority of the Widlings were settling in the Gift, so it makes 100% sense that the rest would have to be convinced to fight for a Castle they don't give a shyt about. The Wildings are not a monolith. There are various clans, various traditions, various superstitions amongst them about gods. And while they united to flee south, this is still unprecedented territory for them. They have never been this far south. They have never been this organized. They have never been asked to fight another man's war. For every choice they make, they know that it is now for the survival of their entire kind, so they won't just be blindly following orders. Any step they take needs to be carefully measured, argued for, and accepted as the right thing to do for their people. And they were convinced by Jon and Tormound that fighting the Boltons was the best choice of action for their people. I'm not sure why that would be an issue in storytelling for you.
You mention the books to support your point in the last paragraph but here seem to gloss over the fact that Jaimie threatened to catapult a kid over the walls in the books too. I hated Jaimie's arc in seasons 4 and 5, but I believe his redemption arc is back on track. I don't want to spoil any potential book plot points so I'll just say we can revisit where he is on his journey after the finale. I don't believe him and Cersei will be on good terms, or that he'll be her "lapdog" as you put it.
Theon has been finding his courage for more than 2 seasons now. He told Sansa the truth about Bran and Rickon (knowing that could get him killed), he killed Myranda, and jumped off the walls of Winterfell, and led Sansa through a cold forest with hounds chasing, and killed a Bolton man, and gave a speech in front of his people at the Kingsmoot. One of the best things the show has done was show Theon's PTSD and his gradual journey of putting the pieces of himself back together. It didn't happen over an episode or one speech. He failed several times, like when he refused to go with Yara after she told him that he was Theon Greyjoy, or when Sansa told him he was Theon Greyjoy, yet he still couldn't shake Reek and instead went and told Ramsay about Sansa's plan. I give Alfie Allen more credit than the showrunners but it's been a very satisfying journey watching Theon become Theon again.
I either agree with your other points or don't feel compelled to respond.
Still waiting for a 10/10 or A+ episode this season. At this point, the season is hovering in the 7/10 or 8/10 range, mainly because of the Arya debacle, and not enough time North with Jon.
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I agree 100%. People are taking things that didn't happen in Arya's arc and interjecting them as if they did occur. It's that fine line between interpreting something and putting in things that aren't actually there. There's nothing we've seen that says, "master assassin Arya," unless she plans on killing everybody in the dark. We've never seen Arya beat an armed opponent straight up besides Joffrey bih ass --not even in practice. She had the Waif looking like a prime Sweet Pea/Mayweateher hybrid. I'm not sure how you can extrapolate from that nobody can fukk with her now.
The biggest thing Arya has going for her character is what Ra's told Bruce in Batman Begins (odd connection, I know): "The training is nothing. The will is everything. The will to act." So yeah, she's still going to do her thing; but, let's not pretend like Arya is some super beast from the time she spent with the faceless men.
And really what I was getting at isn't that I don't understand that Arya picked up much more than they've shown. I'm saying why didn't they show that stuff? Everything that we're supposed to infer on our own at this point would've made for much better writing and much better TV. Why was she sweeping for 3 episodes? Why couldn't they have shown her exploring the House of Black and White? Given that she's such a stubborn character she could've even done it without permission, and then have Jaqen catch her, punish her, but ultimately teach her about their history. They mention their origins in Valyria, why not delve into that much more thoroughly?
There's just so many missed opportunities that would've made it a better story, better TV, and would've accomplished everything we're meant to assume now. It makes no sense. Unless they plan on bringing Jaqen back and telling their story but even then why park Arya there for 2 seasons in a boring storyline?
We know who killed joffrey
This is why I stopped posting in this thread more and more over the years.
Muhfukkas see an entire episode of piff. Great plot twist and acting throughout all the lands. Tremendous chase scenes and brutal deaths.
"...but..but I didn't see the black fish die"
"...but..but why did they cut away from the fight scene between arya and the waif"
Thank God 95% of you didn't start watching this show and posting in these threads from episode 1.
Y'all would've been like "but we didn't see Jon Arryn die on screen. Did they not have the budget!?
I hypothesize he's still alive
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I get tired of all the negativity too. Dude's act like Black Fish was some primary character.
detroitwalt
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That's what happened with the face she stole when she killed Trant. How many times could they show that before people start complaining about her story going nowhere? Even now people are saying it went nowhere.
Disgustya Stallone
Man Who Owns 2 Microwaves
why are you back then? get lost you cac devilThis is why I stopped posting in this thread more and more over the years.
Muhfukkas see an entire episode of piff. Great plot twist and acting throughout all the lands. Tremendous chase scenes and brutal deaths.
"...but..but I didn't see the black fish die"
"...but..but why did they cut away from the fight scene between arya and the waif"
Thank God 95% of you didn't start watching this show and posting in these threads from episode 1.
Y'all would've been like "but we didn't see Jon Arryn die on screen
Some of you crying over the Blackfish's death not being shown like he was a major and important character 
Did nothing but stand on a castle for an episode and a half FOH
Vary's sold Tyrion and the others out right?, I mean he dips right before Mareen gets raided
Did nothing but stand on a castle for an episode and a half FOH
Vary's sold Tyrion and the others out right?, I mean he dips right before Mareen gets raided
She was punished, but it didn't delve into the FM's history. They had her sweeping and washing dead bodies for multiple episodes, but they couldn't have her punished two times in one season and one time for walking into secret rooms and showing cool shyt? The building was huge and they showed nothing. They were shapeshifting assassins and we learned essentially nothing about them. And even if she wasn't punished, just have Jaqen take her on a tour through the whole building. Have different aspects of their magic be revealed gradually by bringing us deeper into their building. Are there only 2 FM? Who was the one that drank the poison for Arya last year? So many missed opportunities.
I do think it's funny how people complain about things happening off-screen since this series started off as the show where almost every fight or action scene ended anticlimactically or happened off screen, especially in seasons 1-3.
Robb's entire military campaign happened off-screen. His military campaign was a big deal too, since his enemies kept bringing up how he was pretty much Goldberg with his undefeated streak. Jaimie was even captured off screen. Now that I think about it, the entire war of the 5 kings happened off-screen. I know how it happened in the books, but I've always thought that not getting Stannis vs Renly in battle was anti-climatic. The battle at the fist of the first men happened off-screen. Dany's military conquests happened off-screen. The Hound killing Micah happened off screen. Robert being gutted. I really could go on and on.
This
and this
Should have happened off-screen though
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Only thing that pisses me off is that when Arya was getting ready to leave before getting stabbed is that she never took Needle with her. I mean it was only after she was attacked by the Waif that she came back for it to fight her.
detroitwalt
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She told the captain they would sail the next morning. I think its reasonable to assume she would have came back and packed up her few belongings But yeah, she should've been armed in the streets anyway.