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Can we stop talking about the Young Wolf? His fukkups and convenient, or at least nonsensical, sense of "honor" is literally turning my stomach
As much as I love the young wolf, yea he fukked up. fukked us up good. First major mistake was letting Theon go. In the books, one of the first commands Ned tries to send back to winterfell via catelyn is to keep Theon close. Cat tried to tell Robb but he trusted Theon too much. That one move just fukked everything up.
This theory could be true. Arya stole a face from the the tower of faces and it turns out to be the old lady face that the Waif used.That's a terrible damn theory. HATE that shyt
Theon is the one fukk up of Robb's I'm actually willing to forgive. He and Theon pretty much grew up together. They were close. Theon looked Robb in his eyes and pledged his loyalty. Robb believed it, cuz Theon was actually being genuine. Cat tried to warn Robb about Baelon, but Robb was like "I don't trust Baelon, I trust Theon, cuz he's my boy". He just couldn't see how much of bytch Theon was. If I'm being 100, I probably would've made the same mistake.
The Karstark was dumb and displayed his inconsistent sense of honor. His mom freed the most valuable chess piece they could have gas and was just imprisoned....barely. The Karstark deserved the same fate for killing some no-name Lannisters, especially when you remember that Jamie (and the rest of the main Lannister House) didn't give a shyt about the no-name Lannisters hence Jamie killing a no-name Lannister to get himself free for a few hours (not-so-coincidentally, in the same attack that killed one of the Karstark boys that had the father seething for revenge). The only reason this isn't his most egregious fukk up in my eyes is cuz I empathize with the fact that after having Theon betray him, his uncle Edmure disobey him (which is how they came to capture the no-name Lannisters), his mother disobey him, now having the Karstark blatantly disobey him he felt the need to send a message to the rest of his troops...he was beginning to look weak.
The most egregious fukk up was Talisa...this still has me
Why the fukk did he HAVE to marry this broad? He's the King of the North, he could've fukked her without marrying her. "But he loveded her!"/it wouldn't be 'honorable' to deflower a lady outside of wedlock. Ok, but why did he have to marry in the middle of a got damned war?!?!? You need all the allies you can muster how can you not see that breaking an oath to a house with fighting men is criminally stupid at that point? I get he's a horny young boy thinking with the wrong head, but smarten up Robb!!!
As much as I love the young wolf, yea he fukked up. fukked us up good. First major mistake was letting Theon go. In the books, one of the first commands Ned tries to send back to winterfell via catelyn is to keep Theon close. Cat tried to tell Robb but he trusted Theon too much. That one move just fukked everything up.
Thing with Theon is even with all that you can't really blame Robb. Theon taking Winterfell didn't make any strategic sense as his sister told him. It was in the middle of the North, nowhere near the sea and during a time of war so its not even like it benefited him in any way. The Greyjoys were going to attack the north with or without Theon too.Theon is the one fukk up of Robb's I'm actually willing to forgive. He and Theon pretty much grew up together. They were close. Theon looked Robb in his eyes and pledged his loyalty. Robb believed it, cuz Theon was actually being genuine. Cat tried to warn Robb about Baelon, but Robb was like "I don't trust Baelon, I trust Theon, cuz he's my boy". He just couldn't see how much of bytch Theon was. If I'm being 100, I probably would've made the same mistake.
The Karstark was dumb and displayed his inconsistent sense of honor. His mom freed the most valuable chess piece they could have gas and was just imprisoned....barely. The Karstark deserved the same fate for killing some no-name Lannisters, especially when you remember that Jamie (and the rest of the main Lannister House) didn't give a shyt about the no-name Lannisters hence Jamie killing a no-name Lannister to get himself free for a few hours (not-so-coincidentally, in the same attack that killed one of the Karstark boys that had the father seething for revenge). The only reason this isn't his most egregious fukk up in my eyes is cuz I empathize with the fact that after having Theon betray him, his uncle Edmure disobey him (which is how they came to capture the no-name Lannisters), his mother disobey him, now having the Karstark blatantly disobey him he felt the need to send a message to the rest of his troops...he was beginning to look weak.
The most egregious fukk up was Talisa...this still has me
Why the fukk did he HAVE to marry this broad? He's the King of the North, he could've fukked her without marrying her. "But he loveded her!"/it wouldn't be 'honorable' to deflower a lady outside of wedlock. Ok, but why did he have to marry in the middle of a got damned war?!?!? You need all the allies you can muster how can you not see that breaking an oath to a house with fighting men is criminally stupid at that point? I get he's a horny young boy thinking with the wrong head, but smarten up Robb!!!
Thing with Theon is even with all that you can't really blame Robb. Theon taking Winterfell didn't make any strategic sense as his sister told him. It was in the middle of the North, nowhere near the sea and during a time of war so its not even like it benefited him in any way. The Greyjoys were going to attack the north with or without Theon too.
Ehhh, I don't know about that. The whole point of the Starks taking Theon as a ward in the first place was to keep Baelon from getting froggy. Once his son returned, that gave him the greenlight to start fukking sit up again.
I do agree, that Theon's bytchass going full retard and taking a castle that held no value to him was probably something neither Robb nor Cat would have seen coming.
He cared about his last living son, until he came home looking, dressing, and acting like a Stark.Possibly. But Balon ain't care about Theon at all. Plus Theon was grown and once Ned got capped his 'ward' status was probably questionable. But even if you're right then Robb's mistake wasn't trusting Theon, it was ignoring the leverage he had on Balon
Right. He wasn't playing by any rule book. His mom freed the most valuable prisoner in Westeros and got nothing but some handcuffs. Karstark killed 2 minor captives and lost his head. Roose Bolton even told him to hold him as a prisoner. Now what's lost is that Karstark was an idiot. His sons were in war and just got murked by a better fighter so all that 'vengeance' talk was stupid but he still could've held him prisoner
this is ridiculous....cmonYou know what. I think Arya might've have put her face on the GIRL who hired the FACELESS MEN to kill her rival in the play. Somehow Arya might've learned that technique. And the WAIF might've killed the girl from the play wearing Arya's face. That actually makes sense and would be an interesting twist.
Now, we haven't seen or don't know if Faceless Men can put their own face on someone else, but if they can, then Arya might've pulled that off.