Has there ever been a thread made before a show's season even began with this many replies?
shyt is bananas brehsOver 2000 replies.
i be talking like im an actual stark sometimes
The argument The Greatjon used was that Torren Stark only bent the knee because the Targaryens had dragons and that they would never follow no fakkits like the Lannisters. Robert was in no position to make demands. Robert needed The North to win his war. Ned put in just as much work as Robert did to win the war. Ned should have been like: "I'll help you get the Iron Throne but, The North is mine"Has there ever been a thread made before a show's season even began with this many replies?
shyt is bananas brehs
Ned was about that Warden lifeNow that yall are talking about it, the best time for The North to have declared independence would have been during Robert's Rebellion. The same exact guys (The Greatjon, Karstark) that were around for Robb Stark and egging him on to make The North its own kingdom were around back then......it seems out of character for them to support a non-Targaryen King
So why would they follow a Baratheon
Lord Rickard Stark, Brandon Stark and Lyanna Stark had all died/been killed. Seems like a perfect time for The North to band together and declare independence
word man and nikkas is seriously emotionally invested in their houses
Are u watchin the same thing? Ned ain't ambitious like that and had no desire to be King of the North. shyt, I even personally think Robb would have just sided with Stannis if Greatjon didn't yell out "THE KING IN THE NORTH!" Robb n his pappy weren't ambitious like that on their own and had honor enough to respect the line of succession which led to Stannis.Now that yall are talking about it, the best time for The North to have declared independence would have been during Robert's Rebellion. The same exact guys (The Greatjon, Karstark) that were around for Robb Stark and egging him on to make The North its own kingdom were around back then......it seems out of character for them to support a non-Targaryen King
So why would they follow a Baratheon
Lord Rickard Stark, Brandon Stark and Lyanna Stark had all died/been killed. Seems like a perfect time for The North to band together and declare independence
Who are the 2 on the right? The on looks 12
They banded behind a 14 year old kid because he was the Warden of the North and they were his bannerman. That's how it works. The whole King of the North stuff came about because the Iron Throne was under dispute and they were discussing who to pledge allegiance to. From the time Torrhen Stark bent the knee thru the early parts of Aerys II's rule, the North had no issues under Targaryen rule. Aerys II fukked that up and they rebelled. Why would you fight along the Baratheons, agree to crown Robert king of the Seven Kingdoms and then turn around and tell him you're seceding from the Seven Kingdoms?That same Greatjon fought in the Rebellion 20 years ago.
Why would he and all those northern lords band together behind a 14 year old kid but, for some odd reason, they didn't band together behind a full grown adult man (Ned), right after half of House Stark was murdered, and they had all the leverage in the world to force the Baratheons to honor their wishes. Its out of character. Its edging into the realm of "because GRRM said so...." "because thats how GRRM wrote it"...."because GRRM needed it for the plot".....but its not true to the characters to be so gung ho about The North being free with Robb Stark but, not seeking independence before with Ned. If it was true to those characters (Umbers, Karstarks), some Northern lord should have spoke up 20 years ago and asked why they were serving a Baratheon
What logical reason would they have at that point to want to be independent after not being independent for centuries and after rebelling and putting someone of their choosing on the throne? You wanted these cats to fight a rebellion and then turn around and fight another one if need be? What Greatjon Umber did 20 years later doesn't matter. We're gonna act like the fact we're comparing two events, under 2 completely different circumstances, 20 years apart isn't an important distinction to make? Ned and Robert were friends and raised by Jon Arryn from the age of 8, but you expected Ned to fight a rebellion alongside him and then tell him he was going home and taking nearly half the kingdom with him?
I'd assume it's bece they had a certain respect for Robert Baratheon. Even moreso because that was Ned's man. It also seemed like they were left in peace, and to their own affairs. Now when punkass joffrey comes along it's problems because, well, he's a punk bastid.That same Greatjon fought in the Rebellion 20 years ago.
Why would he and all those northern lords band together behind a 14 year old kid but, for some odd reason, they didn't band together behind a full grown adult man (Ned), right after half of House Stark was murdered, and they had all the leverage in the world to force the Baratheons to honor their wishes. Its out of character. Its edging into the realm of "because GRRM said so...." "because thats how GRRM wrote it"...."because GRRM needed it for the plot".....but its not true to the characters to be so gung ho about The North being free with Robb Stark but, not seeking independence before with Ned. If it was true to those characters (Umbers, Karstarks), some Northern lord should have spoke up 20 years ago and asked why they were serving a Baratheon
