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Young bul is the ruler know since his pops took he poisonous tooth, and wants to understand the streets better before making decisions. Fat boy survived the hit and will be a formidable foe going forward
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STAN JONES
Fire John Harbaugh
watched it last night and it was decent
it seems like something that shouldve been a tv series instead of a movie trilogy though
never read the books but it felt like they were breezing through mad shyt
it seems like something that shouldve been a tv series instead of a movie trilogy though
never read the books but it felt like they were breezing through mad shyt
SuburbanPimp
Giving game to lames since the 90s
I agree, I haven’t read the books but it sounds like they probably should have done a little bit more world building and backstory. After watching a few YT vids about it and watching it second time I enjoyed it more
Saysumthinfunnymike
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Part One is just going to get even better because with Part Two you will spend more time in the world and with the characters.
Right now the story is not complete.
Right now the story is not complete.
Really for what Denis did it's incredibly. Like others and I have said throughout the thread the books are dense. It's really dense science fiction. A lot of world building and you get a good sense of the motivations or at least exactly what each character is like. shyt like Yueh, what he does isn't some simple thing, suk doctors undergo specialized training, it takes a lot to break their conditioning to betray a patient. He's a broken man, mentally, by the time he goes to face the Baron. Thats partly why he does the whole tooth plan, he's trying to absolve himself of this great sin. Its also why he gives Paul the bible in the book, its part of his guilt about what hes about to do the family.
Drew Wonder
Superstar
Incredible visuals, set design, costumes and worldbuilding and I was definitely intrigued by the story and politics
But besides Baron Harkonnen and Jason Momoa’s character all the other characters felt flat to me and I didn’t feel too invested in their journeys, and it didn’t help that it ended at the midway point
Still, while I didn’t really connect with the characters everything else was done so well that I’m definitely interested in part two. And maybe after that film with a fully fleshed out arc for everyone I’ll feel more invested in the main characters
But besides Baron Harkonnen and Jason Momoa’s character all the other characters felt flat to me and I didn’t feel too invested in their journeys, and it didn’t help that it ended at the midway point
I get that Paul is supposed to be stoic and contemplative but he had zero charisma. And I guess I’m just tired of the “chosen one” narrative though I keep hearing from people who read the books that his character ends up being a critique of the savior trope.
Also, I get that it’s a two parter but I’m wondering if there was a better place they could’ve ended it to at least make it feel like more of a complete movie. The Fellowship of the Ring for example ended with a cliffhanger but even with that Frodo does get a full arc and him accepting that he’s the one who has to destroy the ring and Boromir’s death made it feel like more of a complete film. With Dune I get that they were going for a similar theme with Paul accepting his destiny and staying on the planet but idk, maybe because his character was so bland it didn’t feel quite as earned as it could’ve been. The movie keeps telling us how important he is and his potential but I never really felt that
Also, I get that it’s a two parter but I’m wondering if there was a better place they could’ve ended it to at least make it feel like more of a complete movie. The Fellowship of the Ring for example ended with a cliffhanger but even with that Frodo does get a full arc and him accepting that he’s the one who has to destroy the ring and Boromir’s death made it feel like more of a complete film. With Dune I get that they were going for a similar theme with Paul accepting his destiny and staying on the planet but idk, maybe because his character was so bland it didn’t feel quite as earned as it could’ve been. The movie keeps telling us how important he is and his potential but I never really felt that
Still, while I didn’t really connect with the characters everything else was done so well that I’m definitely interested in part two. And maybe after that film with a fully fleshed out arc for everyone I’ll feel more invested in the main characters
Pool_Shark
Can’t move with me in this digital space
Hope y’all don’t get mad since I guess this is a sacred cow on the internet but this movie is fukking boring asf.
i like good slow burns this shyt was slow asf for no good reason
i like good slow burns this shyt was slow asf for no good reason
Dzali OG
Dz Ali OG...Pay me like you owe me!
Movie was excellent. Going buy all the books to read now. Never could get into the original movie from the 80s.
"Movie too quick movie too slow" these diametrically opposing views are killing me.
Liet Kynes, Dr. Yueh, and Gurney Hallack all could have been built out a lot more, their characters were deeper in the book. With Kynes especially, by the time she dies (he in the book), you really fukking feel it because she/he was probably the most noble person on the entire planet.
The problem is that that IS Paul. He's a super over-trained, sheltered kid who has hardly even left the palace. At this point in the book he has exactly zero charisma. He has no legitimate reason to have developed charisma, he's never been a leader of men or even had any normal social interactions his entire life, it's just been constant training and royal family functions.
The film absolutely had to end there, if you know the book it's impossible to end it any other place. I think they could have done two things better to have made the first film feel a bit more complete.
#1: They should have shown more training. The way Paul has "earned" it is that he's a specially bred genetic unicorn who has been trained as a fighter by the greatest fighters in the empire, trained as a human computer by the most renowned mentat/assassin in the empire, and the only male ever trained as a bene gesserit. They barely showed a touch of his bene gesserit training and a touch of the fighting training. I really think they should have shown more of that to develop exactly how well-trained he is (apparently they cut a clip of him training with Jessica). That the reason he beat Janis - Janis is a true fukking KILLER in the book, and the only reason Paul defeats him is because Paul has been drilled better than any human ever had been. If they had done more training and played it up a bit more, they could have shown how special he was better than just telling you he was special.
#2: I think the ending would have worked better if the Janis fight felt more high-stakes. They should have spent a little more time building up Janis's character, and made the first part of the fight more dramatic so you got more worried that Paul might actually die. Once Paul gets comfortable in the fight it's true that it was easy for him, but it was his first true fight with life on the line and they could have made more difficult for him at the start. Then I think it could have been a more satisfactory end point.
The reason some people can feel the movie moved too fast while others feel like it dragged is because nothing feels impact full. Things happen in quick succession with no time to absorb what just happened. For some people it will feel like everything is moving too fast. For others, because nothing that happens means anything to them it feels like nothing is happening at all and they are waiting for the movie to get going."Movie too quick movie too slow" these diametrically opposing views are killing me.
Liet Kynes, Dr. Yueh, and Gurney Hallack all could have been built out a lot more, their characters were deeper in the book. With Kynes especially, by the time she dies (he in the book), you really fukking feel it because she/he was probably the most noble person on the entire planet.
The problem is that that IS Paul. He's a super over-trained, sheltered kid who has hardly even left the palace. At this point in the book he has exactly zero charisma. He has no legitimate reason to have developed charisma, he's never been a leader of men or even had any normal social interactions his entire life, it's just been constant training and royal family functions.
The film absolutely had to end there, if you know the book it's impossible to end it any other place. I think they could have done two things better to have made the first film feel a bit more complete.
#1: They should have shown more training. The way Paul has "earned" it is that he's a specially bred genetic unicorn who has been trained as a fighter by the greatest fighters in the empire, trained as a human computer by the most renowned mentat/assassin in the empire, and the only male ever trained as a bene gesserit. They barely showed a touch of his bene gesserit training and a touch of the fighting training. I really think they should have shown more of that to develop exactly how well-trained he is (apparently they cut a clip of him training with Jessica). That the reason he beat Janis - Janis is a true fukking KILLER in the book, and the only reason Paul defeats him is because Paul has been drilled better than any human ever had been. If they had done more training and played it up a bit more, they could have shown how special he was better than just telling you he was special.
#2: I think the ending would have worked better if the Janis fight felt more high-stakes. They should have spent a little more time building up Janis's character, and made the first part of the fight more dramatic so you got more worried that Paul might actually die. Once Paul gets comfortable in the fight it's true that it was easy for him, but it was his first true fight with life on the line and they could have made more difficult for him at the start. Then I think it could have been a more satisfactory end point.
We only get a shallow sense of the characters and it's not enough to make some of us care what happens to them. Like you mentioned, the last fight that Paul has, he kills a character we barely know in an effortless fight them the movie is just over. Why should we care that the guy died? The way Zendeya talked before the fight it made it seem like it would be a struggle then it was light work. Even the fact that Paul killed a man for the first time in that fight fell flat when it should have meant way more. Nothing left an impact.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
This movie is complete Warner brothers vertigo elseworld young adult ya novel adaptive film house trash.
Plus it suffers from not understanding the property.
While not understanding how to create a sci fi blockbuster franchise.
It is horrifically plague by horrific miscasting.
Bullshyt makeup and an inability to understand the good and bad of the past renditions. Then adapt it to make it a blockbuster with licensing vehicle based legs for children. Just like the first one failed to do. This movie is just as epic bad as the avatar adaptation.
Just horrifically let down.
As my rap career is based just like wu tang from relating thia material to current life and grounding it. Hence my original rap name of moad'dib or moad for short. Featured on horaeson jae's final four.
Just low marks abound.
On a movie that fails to be put into a modern film idea.
of how this source material could work.
It is horrible.
How it also tries to spreadsheet marvel blockbuster tropes crammed into the film as well.
Everything about this movie is poorly fabricated. From the ornithopter to las gun to hunter seeker to shields to still suit. Even the scale of the worms and reveal suffers. Especially when put incomparison to the much superior original. Whether you go for rhe original theatrics or director cut release.
Every thing about this movie eliminates any drawing legs. By YA novel take in this material.
Not to mention never establishing anything that illustrates.
why the fukk we ever were in arrakis to begin with.
The more i think about how trash it is.
It infuriates me.
Not to mention.
It never fixes the facts of bad about the original. It simply out does it in lower quality. Incomparison to The original film dune.
Originally which was called the slowest dragging movie of all time.
Yet this movie is slower and in that. Never effectively uses its time like the original. The original showed you every aspect it could visually. While compressing in everything it could to attempt to be epic. While attempting to movie magic at a much higher clip and quality marker.
Than this new movie with modern technology.
Everything is underwhelming about this movie and it feels lower in quality and execution than both the original film and tv adaptations combined. I hated the tv adaptation because of cheap casting and trash execution. On material to far out of scope in procurement for tv to handle in basic premise. Yet this film manages to make a lower quality presentation based piece on the big screen.
Art Barr
Plus it suffers from not understanding the property.
While not understanding how to create a sci fi blockbuster franchise.
It is horrifically plague by horrific miscasting.
Bullshyt makeup and an inability to understand the good and bad of the past renditions. Then adapt it to make it a blockbuster with licensing vehicle based legs for children. Just like the first one failed to do. This movie is just as epic bad as the avatar adaptation.
Just horrifically let down.
As my rap career is based just like wu tang from relating thia material to current life and grounding it. Hence my original rap name of moad'dib or moad for short. Featured on horaeson jae's final four.
Just low marks abound.
On a movie that fails to be put into a modern film idea.
of how this source material could work.
It is horrible.
How it also tries to spreadsheet marvel blockbuster tropes crammed into the film as well.
Everything about this movie is poorly fabricated. From the ornithopter to las gun to hunter seeker to shields to still suit. Even the scale of the worms and reveal suffers. Especially when put incomparison to the much superior original. Whether you go for rhe original theatrics or director cut release.
Every thing about this movie eliminates any drawing legs. By YA novel take in this material.
Not to mention never establishing anything that illustrates.
why the fukk we ever were in arrakis to begin with.
The more i think about how trash it is.
It infuriates me.
Not to mention.
It never fixes the facts of bad about the original. It simply out does it in lower quality. Incomparison to The original film dune.
Originally which was called the slowest dragging movie of all time.
Yet this movie is slower and in that. Never effectively uses its time like the original. The original showed you every aspect it could visually. While compressing in everything it could to attempt to be epic. While attempting to movie magic at a much higher clip and quality marker.
Than this new movie with modern technology.
Everything is underwhelming about this movie and it feels lower in quality and execution than both the original film and tv adaptations combined. I hated the tv adaptation because of cheap casting and trash execution. On material to far out of scope in procurement for tv to handle in basic premise. Yet this film manages to make a lower quality presentation based piece on the big screen.
Art Barr
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So, I knew nothing going in and from the explanation it came off to me like it was just needed for space travel. I basically saw it as an allegory for oil, and was expecting a generic plot line around that. I was glad it turned into something more interesting…but that was still basically my understanding of spice. Space oil.it's one of the 1st things they explain and then they touch on it on a number of times..
Great effort, but that's not what these people are saying at all.
This entire thread (and all the other buzz) are loaded with people talking about 2nd/3rd watches and really wanting to read the books. That doesn't fly for a movie that supposedly "nothing happened feels impactful." As a book fan I can't speak for the people who didn't know the story coming in, but plenty of them been speaking for themselves just fine. If you think more world-building character-development was needed I get you, but if you claim the movie was too long and dragged then you on that attention span bullshyt and this wasn't meant for you.
You probably came in wanting to see a string of fight scenes. I bet you liked Infinity War.
Saysumthinfunnymike
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Art Barr didn't like it so now we know for certain it's a classic 
CouldBeWorse
Superstar
Local laser IMAX only keeps movies in rotation for 2 weeks.
fukk, already watched it 3 times on HBO max but I wanted to see the bigger aspect ratio + IMAX sound.
fukk, already watched it 3 times on HBO max but I wanted to see the bigger aspect ratio + IMAX sound.
