He legit made Bischoff release him and worked Vince. Not many people work Vince, that is some mastermind shyt when you can get one over on the ultimate carny.This put over Pillman pretty big despite him being so heavy into drugs and fukking leaving his wife that he already had kids with for a stripperI dont know man, I feel like that's both a very grimy and very stupid move that he didn't make quickly, and they're acting like he was a mastermind for getting over on Bischoff and Vince with his shoot gimmick.
Official "Dark Side Of The Ring" Discussion Thread
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"Brian worked everyone"
Yeah he also worked himself into a shoot
Saddest part was brian jr baseball part n abuse
Yeah he also worked himself into a shoot
Saddest part was brian jr baseball part n abuse
The endgame of the carny lolYeah he also worked himself into a shoot
brehs i just watched both parts and part one was good but part two is 
they clearly saw dude was on a downward spiral but he had worked em all so hard they were just like
even Stone Cold saw him struggle to walk backstage and was like he good breh it’s a work
Melanie said he sounded like he knew he wasn’t gon be around for long and she’s just like about it
then Cornette says when he first gets told Pillman died his initial thought was that it was a work
dude really was like the Kurt Cobain of wrestling with all this tragedy and triumph he had going on simultaneously both in his career and personal life
ima have to go watch an episode of Young Rock to cheer up after this, dark side of the ring starting off dark as hell
they clearly saw dude was on a downward spiral but he had worked em all so hard they were just like
even Stone Cold saw him struggle to walk backstage and was like
he good breh it’s a work Melanie said he sounded like he knew he wasn’t gon be around for long and she’s just like
about it then Cornette says when he first gets told Pillman died his initial thought was that it was a work
dude really was like the Kurt Cobain of wrestling with all this tragedy and triumph he had going on simultaneously both in his career and personal life
ima have to go watch an episode of Young Rock to cheer up after this, dark side of the ring starting off dark as hell
also JR is a dude who should be getting his flowers right now, when he retells the story of making Pillman take the drug test and then seeing him in the casket it reminds me of how long he’s been in the game with a legendary career, dude 5 decades in like The Isley Brothers
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Cartier Murphy
Apathy’s a Tragedy & Boredom is a Crime
Boy who cried Wolf kinda shyt really when you think about itbrehs i just watched both parts and part one was good but part two is
they clearly saw dude was on a downward spiral but he had worked em all so hard they were just like
even Stone Cold saw him struggle to walk backstage and was like
Melanie said he sounded like he knew he wasn’t gon be around for long and she’s just like
then Cornette says when he first gets told Pillman died his initial thought was that it was a work
dude really was like the Kurt Cobain of wrestling with all this tragedy and triumph he had going on simultaneously both in his career and personal life
ima have to go watch an episode of Young Rock to cheer up after this, dark side of the ring starting off dark as hell
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
Yeah that was what I was thinking while hearing him speak, if I was in the business I’m seeking that guy out and trying to get his advice. His opinion of Vince, who’s supposed to be this God more or less in this industry and Kim Wood literally reduced him to nothing more than a whore to be abused in his eyes is reallyas a soundbite but
when you digest it because you realize he’s got this business completely figured out. Outside perspectives broaden horizons and Pillman was very fortunate to have a mind like that in his corner
I wouldn't have put it the way Wood did (Vince is more of a guy who's emotional growth stopped at 13, probably due to never really seeming to get over his upbringing and crippling inferiority complex re: being a wrestling promoter instead of, say, a music promoter), but the sentiment is absolutely the correct one. Wish more people had it.
I still haven't watched the last 10 minutes of the doc due to how angry I know it'll make me. They have more than enough Melanie drama in there.
Cartier Murphy
Apathy’s a Tragedy & Boredom is a Crime
I think both things can be true at the same time, he can be extremely business savvy and smart in that sense but make foolish, unwise decisions in his personal life that ultimately jammed him up. Having multiple kids by multiple women and breaking up families clearly weren’t wise choices but we can’t undermine that he worked an entire industry at a point when that was something that hadn’t been done that way before. If he had that same level of focus and clarity in his time away from the business and applied it to his personal life he probably would still be here today.This put over Pillman pretty big despite him being so heavy into drugs and fukking leaving his wife that he already had kids with for a stripper
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
When Les told her he didn't have time to do the shows anymore, that was actually true (his promotion in Cincy, HWA, was a WWF/E territory at the time, which tends to have a lot of time consuming administrative bullshyt attached to it). But a lot of the wrestlers (and probably Les hinself) were looking at Melanie sideways when she brought her new husband to the 2001 show and I wouldn't be shocked if there were suspicions about how she was using the money by then (like I said in another post, I lived in the area, so I've known many of the details for a while now). The fight Melanie had with Les when he told her that he couldn't do it anymore just sealed the deal. Meltzer runs through a lot of the details in one of the old Observers, maybe around the 10th anniversary of Pillman's death.
how did he work Vince exactly? taking a picture with him?
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
He got a dude who didn't even know who he was to eventually give him a 6-figure contract by acting like the worst, craziest potential employee known to man...then somehow SEALED the deal shortly after headbutting through a Hummer roof (try it sometime; not fun), nearly ripping his left foot off, and having a face literally held together by 5-6 pieces of metal.
Pillman was literally told he'd never wrestle again and he STILL got Vince to give him (and I'm shocked the doc didn't mention this) probably the first ever guaranteed deal he ever gave out for a yearly $300,000 downside.
How is that NOT working Vince?
I’m sure Vince knew who he was, Pillman wasn’t exactly a nobody in 1996
He negotiated a great deal, I think in part because of Austin’s popularity and him potentially being the next Austin - not to mention they were tag team partners a few years prior
Ricky Dunigan
Superstar
Melanie was Warriors old piece?
the marks today still just as easily workedFolks really thought his accident was a work and he was getting surgery to look like Shawn Michael to set up a feud