@TheGodling, @Ziggiy, I'm continuing our debate from the Ryan Coogler thread here. Didn't want to derail that thread.
Apparently, Alonso played interference a lot for Hudlin when he was Hudlin's editor during the run. So when Alonso moved up, Hudlin decided it was time to go.
T'Challa and even Wakanda taking an L wasn't my issue. It's the lack of retribution.
After Doom started a coup in Wakanda, murked T'Challa's uncle, threatned his moms, slapped the shyt out of his wife, stole all of Wakanda's vibranium, and had the blood of many Wakandans in his hands, I'm supposed to believe that the best T'Challa and Shuri could do was to give some stupid ass equivalent of "You disrespected us, but we won't stoop to you level" bullshyt black characters tell to non-black characters that disrespect them and their loved ones in various mediums? Then get rid of ALL of the vibranium (which Hickman fixed, props to him for that)? Really??!?!?
Killing doom in this event wouldn't happen of course. But anything short of T'Challa and Shuri (and especially T'Challa) beating the shyt outta Doom and kicking him to the curb, or something similar, would not be enough retribution for what Doom has done to T'Challa, his fam, and his people. fukk all the "we are civilized" bullshyt. Didn't stop them from murking the desturi. But wouldn't give doom the beats. fukk that.
Hickman didn't have to make T'Challa look like an idiot, a bytch, and dare I say something vaguely resembling a distant equivalent of a Wakandan c00n / sellout in the process. He basically ignored a lot of T'Challa's previous characterization to make the story happen.
I mean, Shuri held Wakanda down waaaaaaaaayyyy harder than T'Challa ever did in that story. And she did it with out even half the intel because her bytch ass of a brother wouldn't tell her wtf was going on vis-a-vis the incursions. Hickman got me rooting for Shuri over T'Challa.
Then T'Challa dooms his people and his world because he wouldn't go through with a plan HE cosigned, while crying like a little kid, only to be bailed by a dude who later on basically says (I'm paraphrasing) "i drowned those wakandans before, and I would do it again". Then when it came time to kill Namor, breh started acting like a bond villain all the sudden and fukked it up.
-Don't tell your own people about world-ending events that threaten your own people brehs.
-Rightfully get called a bytch by your own secret police brehs.
-Harbor an enemy of your own country while your own country is fighting his country brehs.
-Rightfully get called a traitor by your own bodyguards who would take a bullet for you brehs.
-Get rightfully banned from your country by your own sister cuz she found out about your traitorous, bytch ass actions brehs.
-Cosign a plan that may involve blowing up habitable planets, when you aren't about that life brehs.
-Doom your own people and world cuz you have a last minute morality crisis brehs (seriously, this dude was a king?!)
-Get disowned by your entire lineage AND your pops cuz you doomed your own people and world brehs.
-Get bailed out by an enemy of your country brehs.
-fukk up a plan to kill said enemy of your country and get retribution for your people because you felt like flexing like a bond villain brehs.
Hickman's a good writer, and New Avengers / Time Runs Out / Secret Wars as a story is not bad all, if not good. but his portrayal of T'Challa can get all the way the foh
They basically made T'Challa Finn from The Force Awakens. fukking T'CHALLA! One of the TEN SMARTEST CHARACTERS IN MARVEL CONTINUITY!!! They went so far as to write him COMPLETELY out of character JUST so he could hold an L's. If I ever met Mayberry, Hickman, or Aaron in real life I'd spit in their faces.
The moment they wrote T'Challa SINKING TO HIS KNEES IN TEARS after his father scolded him for failing to FOLLOW THROUGH ON HIS PLAN I knew that this was just an agenda to completely deconstruct every thing Hudlin had worked to build the character to within the mainstream continuity.
F-U-C-K that.
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